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EM1 / GX7 Who will upgrade to a bit better sensor ? (explain why if you want) Poll.

EM1 / GX7 Who will upgrade to a bit better sensor ? (explain why if you want) Poll.

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From my Oly E420 and Panny L-1, that would not be insignificant improvement. But if I count that against the other I am using then and now, yes then its only a bit of improvement, sensor vise, and if its just the sensor, then its not worth it. AM looking at how the Mfr execute this 2 camera and other M4/3 advantages .

IN any case, one thing for certain, let's try not to keep wishful thinking anymore about the 4/3 instead. I believe its time we bid it farewell and a dignified exit instead of keep voicing for something 4/3 and so and so ...
 
jf_tea said:
jf_tea wrote:

My immunity against GAS is mediocre. In 2012, I upgraded the GF1 to the GX1 (it's much cheaper than the GX7, especially now).

And I've ordered a E-M5... And, the 45mm. And, Sigma 60mm. (My main MFT lens is the 20mm).
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Franka T.L. said:
Franka T.L. wrote:

From my Oly E420 and Panny L-1, that would not be insignificant improvement. But if I count that against the other I am using then and now, yes then its only a bit of improvement, sensor vise, and if its just the sensor, then its not worth it. AM looking at how the Mfr execute this 2 camera and other M4/3 advantages .

IN any case, one thing for certain, let's try not to keep wishful thinking anymore about the 4/3 instead. I believe its time we bid it farewell and a dignified exit instead of keep voicing for something 4/3 and so and so ...

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What I keep hearing many who claim that or this being the cam to have. I always had my doubt. Its not like film days where camera is just camera. We can load whatever film stock we choose. Today's digital platform is very much all in one, the camera is also the film stock, the darkroom, and in some case even the display or more ...

The key motto here is that delivering of image quality along all the more common shooting environment. So the figure really do not tell the whole story. So yes while the figure might said 12.5 stop of DR, what it do not said is how that DR drop between using base ISO vs using say ISO 400, 800 or how its real ISO. For that I do thank DxO cause their test result do allow me to dig into the data better and allow me to made some better info from the test.

Personally I try not to be too optimistic about it all, I would expect some evolutionary advance and improvement but I would not be expecting a major advance in capture quality. At least there is nothing that suggest of such. Its better to be conservative here.
 
Clayton Jones said:
Clayton Jones wrote:

Hello Anders,
Clayton Jones said:
As far as I know, the best MFT sensors are on the E-M5/E-PM2/E-PL5/E-P5/GH3. Exactly how the sensor performance of the GX7 and E-M1 compares is not really known yet, but based on what is known at this point, it seems unlikely to be significantly better.
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Looking at the Image Quality page of the E-M1 preview where the GX7 image is shown along with the E-M1 and E-M5, the GX7 image looks less sharp than the others. Of course, that could be caused by the lens, but at this point I'm not convinced the GX7 sensor is all that good. I'll look forward to the full reviews.

In addition, the E-M5 image looks sharper than the E-M1. Could these be lens or focus issues?
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Whatever it is, it's not a lens issue. With their new studio scene, DPR uses the Oly 45/1.8 for all MFT bodies (instead of the Oly FT 50/2 macro they have used in the past). The potential explanations that remain include differences with regard to exact focus point, AA filtering, and choice of f-stop. For some inexplicable reason, DPR used f/4.5 for the E-M5 versus f/5.6 for the other two bodies (according to their own technical info) and f/4.5 is probably slightly closer to peak performance, at least in the central portions of the frame.
 
Anders W said:
Anders W wrote:
Anders W said:
Clayton Jones wrote:

Hello Anders,
Anders W said:
As far as I know, the best MFT sensors are on the E-M5/E-PM2/E-PL5/E-P5/GH3. Exactly how the sensor performance of the GX7 and E-M1 compares is not really known yet, but based on what is known at this point, it seems unlikely to be significantly better.
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Looking at the Image Quality page of the E-M1 preview where the GX7 image is shown along with the E-M1 and E-M5, the GX7 image looks less sharp than the others. Of course, that could be caused by the lens, but at this point I'm not convinced the GX7 sensor is all that good. I'll look forward to the full reviews.

In addition, the E-M5 image looks sharper than the E-M1. Could these be lens or focus issues?
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Whatever it is, it's not a lens issue. With their new studio scene, DPR uses the Oly 45/1.8 for all MFT bodies (instead of the Oly FT 50/2 macro they have used in the past). The potential explanations that remain include differences with regard to exact focus point, AA filtering, and choice of f-stop. For some inexplicable reason, DPR used f/4.5 for the E-M5 versus f/5.6 for the other two bodies (according to their own technical info) and f/4.5 is probably slightly closer to peak performance, at least in the central portions of the frame.
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Good explanation, I think the lack of AA filter on the OM1 is one of important factors.
 
Franka T.L. said:
Franka T.L. wrote:

What I keep hearing many who claim that or this being the cam to have. I always had my doubt. Its not like film days where camera is just camera. We can load whatever film stock we choose. Today's digital platform is very much all in one, the camera is also the film stock, the darkroom, and in some case even the display or more ...
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True, the digital cameras are a lot of things compared to film cameras.

Anyway I think they are launching cameras too soon.


Franka T.L. said:
The key motto here is that delivering of image quality along all the more common shooting environment. So the figure really do not tell the whole story. So yes while the figure might said 12.5 stop of DR, what it do not said is how that DR drop between using base ISO vs using say ISO 400, 800 or how its real ISO. For that I do thank DxO cause their test result do allow me to dig into the data better and allow me to made some better info from the test.

Personally I try not to be too optimistic about it all, I would expect some evolutionary advance and improvement but I would not be expecting a major advance in capture quality. At least there is nothing that suggest of such. Its better to be conservative here.
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In both cases, the VF is improved quite a bit over its predecessor. Panny sure got it right with the GX7 - those clip on VF's are begging to get knocked off or lost.

The EM1 builds the grip in. Since the vertical grip has never been off of my EM5, that makes sense. It also repositions the thumbwheels for better use, one of the few quibbles I have with the EM5.

GX7 adds IBIS. I never thought I'd see Panasonic do that, but they did. Hello, stabilized 20 1.7, PL25, various legacy Leica M lenses...

In my case, ZD AF speed is very much a motivating factor to looking into an EM1.

Holy cow, that 12-40 looks nice. I don't need the body to get that lens, but as long as I have the order form called up...

So it's not just an improved sensor, and not even primarily an improved sensor. Having used the EM5 for over a year, and having used it a lot with my ZD lenses, it's hard to see how Oly could have done a better job enhancing the features I liked about the EM5, and addressing the few issues I had with it.

Or, in the case of the GX7, it's the best designed mini-rangefinder style body out there. Especially that built in tilting VF. That is so obviously the right approach.
 
TrapperJohn said:
TrapperJohn wrote:

In both cases, the VF is improved quite a bit over its predecessor. Panny sure got it right with the GX7 - those clip on VF's are begging to get knocked off or lost.

The EM1 builds the grip in. Since the vertical grip has never been off of my EM5, that makes sense. It also repositions the thumbwheels for better use, one of the few quibbles I have with the EM5.

GX7 adds IBIS. I never thought I'd see Panasonic do that, but they did. Hello, stabilized 20 1.7, PL25, various legacy Leica M lenses...

In my case, ZD AF speed is very much a motivating factor to looking into an EM1.

Holy cow, that 12-40 looks nice. I don't need the body to get that lens, but as long as I have the order form called up...

So it's not just an improved sensor, and not even primarily an improved sensor. Having used the EM5 for over a year, and having used it a lot with my ZD lenses, it's hard to see how Oly could have done a better job enhancing the features I liked about the EM5, and addressing the few issues I had with it.

Or, in the case of the GX7, it's the best designed mini-rangefinder style body out there. Especially that built in tilting VF. That is so obviously the right approach.
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You are right.

Panasonic Lumix and Olympus, are getting really right and very often.
 
To see the GX7 with more votes.
 
I'm happy with the 12MP Panasonic sensor in my E-P3. I would not change model just for the sake of acquiring a better sensor; however, other features might persuade me to upgrade.
 
LudwigVB said:
LudwigVB wrote:

I'm happy with the 12MP Panasonic sensor in my E-P3. I would not change model just for the sake of acquiring a better sensor; however, other features might persuade me to upgrade.
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I still have two Panasonic Lumix with 12 megapixels sensors, that makes 24 megapixels.

:)

Now not kidding, I am still happy with the 12 megapixels sensors, I do mainly landscape and it is rare to use high ISO.
 
The GX7 might get my money one day, but not because of the sensor. Any differences between the GX7, GH3, EM-1 and EM-5 sensors are trivial (ignoring the PDAF pixels). The GX7 offers a form factor that no other m43 camera does, and that's why I might buy it, once the prices come down. For a walk-around camera, it's more convenient than my GH3, and OM-D (either model), or an EP-5 with an EVF.

I'm not convinced it's any better a walk-around camera than my G3, though. Only in a few situations would the improvement in sensor be noticeable.

For my needs, the EM-1 offers no benefit over my GH3.
 
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