Time for an honest discussion about being a fan of a camera company

Canon, but that's only because of the annoying historical perception by laymen that they are 'the best'.

I feel they have definitely been resting on their laurels for the last 5 years and are behind the curve at a sub professional level.

Love Olympus / Sony / Fuji / Nikon though.
 
Forgot your lithium!

Ubi
 
Biggs23 wrote:
Mikhail Tal wrote:

Me rooting for Olympus is no different than you rooting for a sports team.
False. If my favorite sports teams (Chiefs, Braves) lose my life goes on unchanged. If my chosen camera brand fails I may suffer severe financial difficulty. When you make your living using a single camera brand your perspective changes quite a bit.
 
newmikey wrote:
Mikhail Tal wrote:

I disagree with both Canon and Nikon's approach to designing and selling cameras, and I'm not shy about saying as much.
How can you disagree if they are doing well as commercial companies? They are dedicated to increase earnings and shareholder value and their approach seems to work perfectly.
The OP seems to feel that Canon and Nikon design and manufacture cameras only as some means to allowing them to propagate some sort of evil.

I guess he doesn't believe designing top quality cameras and offering them for sale is a worthy approach.
 
You just about have it. Olympus makes diving equipment. You are confused with Oceanic. There is no camera called Oceanic. Oceanic is the company that makes the cameras. The cameras have names like Atmos or whatever. Personally, I like Apeks.
carl english wrote:

I'm sorry not actually aware of a Camera called Olympus, are they still being made or were you referring to an old Film Camera? The other 2 you mentioned Nikon and Canon, yes! I've heard of them.
 
As I finished reading your article, my dominant reaction was one of admiration: for sharing your opinion unabashed and undiluted, in a considered and intelligent piece of prose.

Whether or not I personally agree with all of the article's expressed sentiments, the value to the reader is certainly thought-provoking. Which a subsequent reading of the ensuing commentary proved almost as entertaining as the Original Post; a flash-flood of personally offended Experts from the shadowy halls of DPR Fora riding brooms and hurling flaming balls of Troll at you.

Beware Sir Mikhail - you have awoken the giant!

Greg :)
 
I love LG, if only they made cameras.
 
I like to support companies that deliver things I like. I like new technology and certain features in cameras. I feel that Canon and Nikon, for whatever reason, are not at the forefront of anything interesting to me. Hence I have a Panasonic G1 (now converted to IR), a Sony A77, and now an Olympus OM-D E-M5. All of those because of the way they approach photography and technology.

But that's my opinion and I don't care how many Canons or Nikons you buy. But I would ask that you know WHY you are buying those brands rather than buying them because it's the safest or some friend told you it's the only camera that will give you enough status, or...

But we should always be ready to change our preferences in a heartbeat. It happened to me in 5 minutes a few months back. I liked and trusted Adobe. I have a number of Adobe products. Some of which I upgraded frequently, some of which did what I wanted and I left them alone (e.g., Audition) until they were unable to run on my new computer (e.g., Pagemaker). But then Adobe screwed me. Now I will only buy from them under exteme duress. Which will be soon because I'm too deep into Lightroom to get out (and I don't even know a reasonable way out) and some time I will overcome my extreme disappontment them as a company who serves their customers as opposed to only their greedy shareholders and will upgrade from LR 4 to 5.
 
Why do you assume that people buying a Nikon or Canon are doing so for other than good reasons? I don't question why you buy what you buy. I made an investment in Nikon 30 years ago and my old assets, lenses, still work with current Nikons, so for me, its easy. But I owned a few brands of film cameras before I landed on Nikons. But when I see a good picture, I don't wonder what brand they used, just who took the shot.
 
This is not a matter of fanaticism, or self justification. It's finding what you like, finding that the company that makes the gear you like just happens to cater to your specific desires, and staying with them because they haven't let you down in the past. Camera gear is not cheap, so faith in the company goes a long way towards justifying a particular purchase.

This is probably true of the majority of people on dpr, regardless of the system they choose. Something about that system meets their needs the best, and it's usually a trademark of the maker. Canon makes killer telephotos with lighting fast AF, and very good C-AF. An action shooter's system. Nikon covers a wide range, from ultra wide to telephoto, and all sorts of pro and semi pro additions. Pentax has those lovely primes.

In the digital field, I gravitated to Olympus. Why? The exquisite lenses. They deliver a 'bit of extra IQ' that I just don't see when I compare my ZD shots to, say, Nikon shots or Canon shots that my friends take. It's minor, but I see it, and I like it. True of all the high grade and super high grade ZD lenses - they really don't make a bad one. Especially true of the HG glass... they perform better than their price might suggest. Haven't been disappointed by one yet.

The one great obstacle was the subpar sensor, less capable than the competition. That's what made the EM5 such a delight - it showed that the problem as compared to APS wasn't so much sensor size, it was the weak sensors they were using. EM5 has a state of the art Sony sensor, and it handily matches the best APS in terms of noise and DR - all it gives up is a few MP that I wasn't really using anyway. If Oly had struck a deal with Sony back in the E3 days, they might still be in the DSLR business.

It's too easy to dismiss people as 'fanboys', simply because they have faith in a certain manufacturer. More often than not, that faith has been earned.
 
The Cannon S90 was the easyest to carry with a low light lens f/1.8. Excellent pictures and so easy to carry.

The NikonP500 a pretty good bridge zoom but overall picture quality wasn't to hotso I returned it to get a Cannon SX40 which I found to have better quality photos especially at long zoom ranges.

However the new Panasonic Lumix-200 is absolutely astounding for a quality zoom and has a adapter for a 600mm add on to reach out to 1200mm. It is a constant f?2.8 arpeture through the entire zoom range. It is a great all around camera for a bridge.

I liked the Lunix so much I bought their LX-7. The LX-7 has a better macro than the S90 but is harder to pocket. It is a beautiful in white and very well laid out.

I saved, sold the SX40' and bought a Sony NEX-7 using legecy closet full of legecy Konica lens via an adapter. So far I am very pleased with the camera & lens combination. The NEX-7 is the Swiss Army Knife of cameras.

After that I purchased for my very active son anOlympus T-2. It is very rugged and waterproof down to 15 feet. I must say the picture quality is exceptional. Clear, bright pictures and it is very carryably. He is wearing it out.

I am purchaseing a Sigma 180mm f/2.8 macro and a Sony LA-EA2 adapter. So that is my journey into the digital age. Before this I used Konica film ameras and lens since 1969. Oh yes I did have a Fuji pocket film camera which wore out quickly. If I must pick my favorite camera to be a fan of it would be the Konica but I rarely use the camera due to economics.

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I am an owner and operator of Olympus cameras, because I am used to their way of operating a camera.

But I am no longer a fan. I cannot buy my favoured models locally any more. This means that the backup for my 2011 vintage SZ-30MR are the 20x zoom SP-570UZ bridge camera from 2008, and my 10x zoom Stylus 9010 pocket P&S with HD720p video from 2010.

Since Olympus marketing appears to be autistic, I may have to change brand in the near future.

Henry
 
I can see rooting for one company or another over disagreements with their business practices, but I don't really understand loyalty to a particular brand, product, or team. The only time I've ever cared about the victory of a sports team was when I was playing on said sports team. Period.

Maybe you want one camera store to do better because you think that they will consistently give you something that you can't get from somewhere else, and something will be unrecoverably lost from the world if they shut down...but I don't see that happening.

There is certainly no reason to keep buying from one supplier if getting a camera from a different supplier will better suit your needs. Your overzealous support will just hurt you and may even (in some small, minuscule way) support mediocre products.
I disagree with both Canon and Nikon's approach to designing and selling cameras
 
This is just a crazy thread.

My cameras

1976 Zenit EM

1980 Canon AE1

1983 Olympus OM10

1984 Olympus OM1*

1988 Olympus OM2n*

2002 Sony F707

2004 Nikon D70

2005 Nikon D2X

2007 Olympus E400

2007 Olympus OM4, OM4Ti x2*

2008 Olympus E3

2008 Nikon D3

2010 Leica M9*

2012 Leica M Monochrom*

2012 Olympus OMD EM5*

17 cameras in 34 years, the ones I still own have a *. I've no brand loyalty. They are all tools, some I liked, but they all have limitations and things they excel at. Lenses are probably more important (I have 25 of those)...

The cameras I liked the least were the ones with 'primitive' sensors, noisy in the shadows, basically all my digitals until the D3. It was a steep and costly upgrade path. The D3 I sold as it was too big and obtrusive for my needs. The M9 sensor is for daytime only. The MM and the EM5 suit me fine. If something amazing comes along I might try it, but digital is finally coming of age....

The Canon AE1 I didn't like as it was shutter priority ( I was young and didn't think).
 
Let me begin with this: I am a fan of Olympus..
If I ever need an endoscope, I will insist on Olympus brand. They dominate in that field. In contrast, I am unimpressed by their money-losing digital camera division.
 
Canon and Nikon are Oly's arch nemeses, the villain companies hell-bent on destroying Olympus
Olympus' worldwide market share is too small to worry either Nikon or Canon.

A recent Reuter's article points out "Olympus admits that its overseas marketing has been lacking so far." The financial problems with Olympus' camera division are all caused by Olympus.
 

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