16-35's are not so bad...

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I keep reading about "how bad" people say the 16-35mm f2.8 L is, but my experience has been pretty great with the lens...it feels silky smooth, focuses pretty quick (even on my D60...) and here is a (large file - warning) done with Pekka's PS action that seems pretty decent to me for hand held at 1/200th of a second with 2 moving 6 year olds...

http://www.pbase.com/pixelman/16-35
 
I keep reading about "how bad" people say the 16-35mm f2.8 L is,
but my experience has been pretty great with the lens...it feels
silky smooth, focuses pretty quick (even on my D60...) and here is
a (large file - warning) done with Pekka's PS action that seems
pretty decent to me for hand held at 1/200th of a second with 2
moving 6 year olds...

http://www.pbase.com/pixelman/16-35
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I keep reading about "how bad" people say the 16-35mm f2.8 L is,
but my experience has been pretty great with the lens...it feels
silky smooth, focuses pretty quick (even on my D60...) and here is
a (large file - warning) done with Pekka's PS action that seems
pretty decent to me for hand held at 1/200th of a second with 2
moving 6 year olds...

http://www.pbase.com/pixelman/16-35
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I keep reading about "how bad" people say the 16-35mm f2.8 L is,
but my experience has been pretty great with the lens...it feels
silky smooth, focuses pretty quick (even on my D60...) and here is
a (large file - warning) done with Pekka's PS action that seems
pretty decent to me for hand held at 1/200th of a second with 2
moving 6 year olds...

http://www.pbase.com/pixelman/16-35
And here's a link to an image made with the lens that I sent back:-)

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1510603

I'll be happy to call the lens back and trade ya:-)

The lens performance, I thought, overall, was excellent. It was a very bright lens that handled shadowy scenes very nicely. The color and contrast for images was excellent, so if you take the focus issues out of the equation, the lens was a keeper but there was this slight, well horrible focus issue with the copy I received:-) If fact, even hand focused, the image quality of straight lines was that of a stoner, fuzzy:-) Oh wow man! Check out the stright lines:-) Whoa! Are they fuzzy:-)
 
Its mines too,I love my 16-35 glad to know they are good ones out
there which I know is the magority.
Well, so far, frustratingly so, 100% of the ones I've had were dogs. And that one got sent back:-) Waaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

I want my 16-35:-)

They should have it back today and tracking says it's on the truck for delivery and I'll be speaking with the tech later this morning after dropping the little guy off at HS.
 
And I get the impression that a Lemon will always be a Lemon, as they don't seem to be able to fix them if they came off the mine duff...

At last sight, mie was doig a very accurate impression of a Sigma 17-35EX and believe me that is NOT a good thing..

My hopes and wishes going out to those who ordered one that they don't end up with one like mine or Thomas's

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Other lenses are sharper, yeah, but they can't take pics like these...
What sensor body are you putting the 16-35 on and how much detail do you find you're getting when you don't do stitches of a scene.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1509035&size=lg

The above are the type of scenics that I want to use the 16-35mm for but it's being attached to a D30 as I don't feel comforatable getting the 10D due to all the bad press. I'm waiting to see what comes out in September.
 
At last sight, mie was doig a very accurate impression of a Sigma
17-35EX and believe me that is NOT a good thing..
That wasn't nice:-)
My hopes and wishes going out to those who ordered one that they
don't end up with one like mine or Thomas's
I called and checked at HotBuys and they have a tech on site that I can talk to. When I drop the little guy off at HS and get back to the office, I'll give the tech a call and see if he can do a hand select of the lenses that they have in stock.

I sure would like the f/2.8 but I may end up with the f/4.0, 17-40mm. Not my ideal pick.

I wanted something better then the Sigma 15-30mm and something more flexible then Canon's 20mm f/2.8.

Hope springs eternal:-)
 
I keep reading about "how bad" people say the 16-35mm f2.8 L is,
but my experience has been pretty great with the lens...it feels
silky smooth, focuses pretty quick (even on my D60...) and here is
a (large file - warning) done with Pekka's PS action that seems
pretty decent to me for hand held at 1/200th of a second with 2
moving 6 year olds...

http://www.pbase.com/pixelman/16-35
 
I wanted something better then the Sigma 15-30mm and something > more flexible then Canon's 20mm f/2.8.
I wanted one because I USE F2.8 in my job, as it happens I only need 20-35 for work (the 16-20mm bit was for leisure and landscapes) , this is why I was looking into the 20-35L so heavily at the time but discounted it on grounds of soft corners wide open in reviews.. Remember that this was the D60's Prime time (too noisy above ISO200 for my work) NOT the current low noise ISO400 of the 10D ..

Soft corners (downright Blurry would be a more accurate description) make a lens pretty useless if the whole frame is needed and if it isn't then why not use the 28-70L in the first place? .. So I could have put up with a bit of general softness so long as the frame was linear in sharpness overall and I guess that the 16-35L isn't capable of this at 16mm and F2.8 so it is of no use to me. The 17-40L (Accompanied by ISO400 / 800 on the 10D) may be a different matter entirely and if so - back to the QC ratrace..

To be honest Thomas, I've had enough for now and want a refund , I'll use that Tokina of Rachael's which IS sharp-linear across the frame at 19mm F3.5 (only half a stop slower than the 16-35) as it'll git my Wrok done even if it's not ideal for my leisure stuff - the 3D and a 17-40 will sort that ..

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The 17-40 would be a better lens for you nowadays anyway - it comes closer to your 50mm F1.4 in focal range (as you don't have a midrange zoom) doesn't distort as much as the 16-35 (Always a help in landscapes) and you don't use the lens anywhere near f2.8 anyway. in your position, i'd sell the 16-35, get a 17-40 and put the cash diffrence towards the wonderful 135L or a 1DS

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What sensor body are you putting the 16-35 on and how much detail
do you find you're getting when you don't do stitches of a scene.
I'm using it on a D60, in large/fine and/or raw mode, almost always at 16 mm and from f/8 to f/16, on a tripod, with MLU and either the timer or cable release. I set the camera not to sharpen, and do this in Photoshop with an action file I created to, hopefully, do everything right. ( I really don't stitch panos. )

I'm getting plenty enough detail to make 10x15s that impress everyone who sees them -- including me. And I'm a very tough critic of my own work.
 
The 17-40 would be a better lens for you nowadays anyway - it comes
closer to your 50mm F1.4 in focal range (as you don't have a
midrange zoom) doesn't distort as much as the 16-35 (Always a help
in landscapes) and you don't use the lens anywhere near f2.8
anyway. in your position, i'd sell the 16-35, get a 17-40 and put
the cash diffrence towards the wonderful 135L or a 1DS
I'd miss that milimeter too much. Really, my girlfriend is getting tired of me saying "too damn narrow!" and "it's just not wide enough" as it is. I could count on one hand how many times I've used the lens past 20 mm, so having the extra length doesn't appeal very much to me ... as crazy as I'm sure you think I am. Ultimately, I might trade the 16 for a couple primes, once I have a FF chip to run them on. ( I'm thinking along the lines of a 20/2.8, 24/1.4L, and maybe a 24 TS-E if I strike it rich. )

I almost never expose the lens at f/2.8 ( and when I do, I'm deeply prejudiced against whatever I shoot; "it's just a snapshot..." ), but until I get my hands on that 'Ds or similar, I need the brightness for startrails. Although I'm trying hard to overcome this with technique, setting up before dusk when it's possible, using flashlights and laser pointers...

I haven't been following the 17-40; actually, I've only had enough time to ask some questions and show you guys some of my latest ( look out for a Desert Southwest later today ). How do the color and contrast compare?

It's about time Canon put out a wide-angle for their cropped chips, that doesn't cost an arm and a leg...
 
I'd miss that milimeter too much. Really, my girlfriend is getting
tired of me saying "too damn narrow!"
Not on a 1DS or 3D though !
FF chip to run them on. ( I'm thinking along the lines of a
20/2.8, 24/1.4L, and maybe a 24 TS-E if I strike it rich. )
everyone seems to HATE the 20mm-f2.8 on this forum bar MAC and myself ! I tried one quickly a week ago and was very impressed, Unfortunately I didn't get my hands on it long enough to do a report though..... not an option for me as I need a Zoom unfortunately
look out for a Desert Southwest later today ). How do the color
and contrast compare?
from what I've seen they're the same, it's a BETTER but slower 16-35L from what I can tell from Ashley's samples and other postings
It's about time Canon put out a wide-angle for their cropped chips,
that doesn't cost an arm and a leg...
Bout time Canon Ditched Cropped chips altogether and found a way of producing cheap Full framers - they made an improved, Mag-Alloy bodied replacement for the D60 for £1000UK less than the D60 so anything is possible..

Bout time they made an F2.8 L UWA Zoom which doesn't get beaten by a plastic Tokina at 20mm F3.5 too ! .... Sorry but I've had enough of canon's lousy QC and inability to repair badly QCd lenses :(

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I'd miss that milimeter too much. Really, my girlfriend is getting
tired of me saying "too damn narrow!"
Not on a 1DS or 3D though !
Yeah, it's just the until then part I need to worry about... It will be at least a couple more months until I have the money in my hands, and by then I might want to wait a few more months to see what the future brings.

If it's a 1.3x or 1.2x chip, I'll still need a zoom to get to 24 mm.

But that brighter viewfinder is going to mean a big aperture will be a lot less important, to me. Also, a bigger chip will mean you can get narrower DOF, even at smaller apertures.

( You can tell the image quality means more to me than the convenience; driving 4,000 miles is inconvenient enough that I can walk around a little bit more to get my shot, most of the time... )
 
......... your shot is truly awsome, even allowing for the crop factor I don't get this dof at F11 on my sample and a 1D.
 
( You can tell the image quality means more to me than the
convenience; driving 4,000 miles is inconvenient enough that I can
walk around a little bit more to get my shot, most of the time... )
same here that's why I won't have another 16-35L if I can help it, being good at F16 is no use to me as I shoot as wide open as I can for my work sometimes and I need all the frame not a portion with the soft corners cropped out that may as well have been taken with the (superior in every way anyway) 28-70L - I'd rather use an F3.5 or F4 lens and bump up the ISO (Possible now with the 10D) and have a linear sharpness frame ..

I know my 16-35L was duff but this is rediculous

First one is both at 19/20mm F3.5, even in the good bits, the 16-35 is no better really! - the second one is the 16-35L at 16mm F6.7 and the Tokina at 19mm F6.7 .. Not a good copy of the 16-35 even after THREE "repairs" :(





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