Got an X-S1 coming

AdamT wrote:

400mm, 70th second, L size heavily Cropped . resize and PP. 1st attempt at a Bird shot not on a feeder and was twitching about .... I`m no Birder anyway BTW, just testing the camera.. the lack of noise so lesser artifacts make PP`ing so much easier than the pinheads. I find this with the S6500 and did with the 9500 and S100FS .



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Shoot in RAW to maximize detail. HS with its longer zoom can easily catch up on detail even if you use higher ISO.



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AdamT wrote:
Button placement is fine but still only 1 command dial so no direct access to Exposure comp . why these cams don`t use the useless focus ring for this job is beyond me .


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Open your eyes man...

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jcmarfilph wrote:

Now you are talking. Paul Till will be pleased to hear these from you.

If you are saying HS30 is not toy-ish compared to X-S1 then think about the bigger and better HS50. No droop, no orbs, no ugly fat barrel. Only a peephole EVF i.e. =D
Adam likes the HS30 so is being kind. The HS30 is in my book like a £25 toy it's just plain awful to hold and use.
 
jcmarfilph wrote:
AdamT wrote:

400mm, 70th second, L size heavily Cropped . resize and PP. 1st attempt at a Bird shot not on a feeder and was twitching about .... I`m no Birder anyway BTW, just testing the camera.. the lack of noise so lesser artifacts make PP`ing so much easier than the pinheads. I find this with the S6500 and did with the 9500 and S100FS .

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Shoot in RAW to maximize detail. HS with its longer zoom can easily catch up on detail even if you use higher ISO.

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Dude, your logic is just ridiculous, Paul please help this guy.. "HS with its longer zoom can easily catch up on detail even if you use higher ISO." since when does extra zoom equal better detail...? geez is this guy for real? higher iso and longer zoom = LESS DETAIL, especially for the pinhead HS50's sensor... since when does longer zoom and higher iso allow one to gain (catch up) on detail??? I'm speechless at the ludicrousness of the logic.

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I said DIRECT access, pressing a button every time you want to use it isn`t DIRECT, it`s Indirect ........ even a canon S90 has its front dial which can be set to Exposure comp (and Exp Comp is essential with Fujis) .......

as I said, they need a setting to allow the focus ring to act as a second (IE more useful) command dial and always have since the S9500 came out , what , 7 years ago ..

the XS1 has a beautiful wide rubberized damped ring behind the zoom ring which will spend its life doing Zilch on probably 90% of the cameras made , what a Waste, it`d make a superb command dial .

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Jostian wrote:
jcmarfilph wrote:
AdamT wrote:

400mm, 70th second, L size heavily Cropped . resize and PP. 1st attempt at a Bird shot not on a feeder and was twitching about .... I`m no Birder anyway BTW, just testing the camera.. the lack of noise so lesser artifacts make PP`ing so much easier than the pinheads. I find this with the S6500 and did with the 9500 and S100FS .
 
I`ve only got RAWtherapee which works with the XS1. all the ISOs preview perfectly except ISO100 which previews White - you need to adjust the Exposure comp down 2 stops or more making me think this is a Pulled (Faked) ISO .. has anyone else found this with other converters or are they merely smart enough to work around automatically .. BTW RT does wonders with EXR balance just by using the highlight control

The sensor is amazingly clean in RT with no NR whatsoever (which really IS no NR not what Silkypix or LR calls no NR) . appears to be a good 2 stops cleaner than the HS30 . also appears to have no AA filter , the detail is phenomenal - RT always develops at 6Mp so you get full control of the DR - it ignores any size settings .

This is ISO800 out of RT - no NR . full size 6Mp - this blows the doors of anything I`ve seen from the X20`s X-Trans sensor at ISO800 for clean-nes OR sheer sharpness

XS1 ISO800 Raw Therapee
XS1 ISO800 Raw Therapee

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AdamT wrote:

I said DIRECT access, pressing a button every time you want to use it isn`t DIRECT, it`s Indirect ........ even a canon S90 has its front dial which can be set to Exposure comp (and Exp Comp is essential with Fujis) .......

as I said, they need a setting to allow the focus ring to act as a second (IE more useful) command dial and always have since the S9500 came out , what , 7 years ago ..

the XS1 has a beautiful wide rubberized damped ring behind the zoom ring which will spend its life doing Zilch on probably 90% of the cameras made , what a Waste, it`d make a superb command dial .

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yeh except it does handle manual focus pretty well.

the exposure compensation control button isn't as bad as you might think.....my finger memory knows where it is and with camera placed to face I can press the button and using my thumb roll the upper wheel to set the compensation.

wj

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AdamT wrote:

I said DIRECT access, pressing a button every time you want to use it isn`t DIRECT, it`s Indirect ........ even a canon S90 has its front dial which can be set to Exposure comp (and Exp Comp is essential with Fujis) .......

as I said, they need a setting to allow the focus ring to act as a second (IE more useful) command dial and always have since the S9500 came out , what , 7 years ago ..

the XS1 has a beautiful wide rubberized damped ring behind the zoom ring which will spend its life doing Zilch on probably 90% of the cameras made , what a Waste, it`d make a superb command dial .
I don't see a problem, press with your finger and turn with your thumb. Can't you cope with using 2 digits at once? :P

Having the dial as direct EV would mess up having it to adjust the aperture, especially when all Fuji's need to be shot in A Mode as P doesn't work with Fuji's, either giving a slow shutter speed or to small an aperture, something they've never mastered.
 
wymjym wrote:
AdamT wrote:

I said DIRECT access, pressing a button every time you want to use it isn`t DIRECT, it`s Indirect ........ even a canon S90 has its front dial which can be set to Exposure comp (and Exp Comp is essential with Fujis) .......

as I said, they need a setting to allow the focus ring to act as a second (IE more useful) command dial and always have since the S9500 came out , what , 7 years ago ..

the XS1 has a beautiful wide rubberized damped ring behind the zoom ring which will spend its life doing Zilch on probably 90% of the cameras made , what a Waste, it`d make a superb command dial .
 
I don't see a problem, press with your finger and turn with your thumb. Can't you cope with using 2 digits at once? :P
Shouldn`t have to when there`s a lovely smooth fat dial around the lens going to waste :-x .......
Having the dial as direct EV would mess up having it to adjust the aperture, especially when all Fuji's need to be shot in A Mode as P doesn't work with Fuji's, either giving a slow shutter speed or to small an aperture, something they've never mastered.
All the more reason to get the Focus ring usable for other duties ..

regarrding apertures, at least with a 2/3" sensor the thing isn`t into diffraction at the long end wideopen (which the HS cams and stuff like the SX50, HX200 etc are) . I never understood why P mode doesn`t work in Fujis . they`ve not managed to get shutter speeds much above 1000th at F2.8 either I see ,
 
Lightpath48 wrote:

That's a very good shot!
Thanks ! .. I`m not a birder and it wasn`t on a feeder, the XS1 didn`t seem to "get in the way" AF wise , the IS worked well as you can see, the movement was in the bird (hence why it could have been sharper)
 
I haven't had the issues that are mentioned here regarding "P" mode in Fujifilm cameras. I probably shot in "P" mode more than any even on my trusty old S602Z, and still use it often on the X-S1. Can you explain in a bit more detail why you think it fails? I do, of course, sometimes shoot in the other modes, A, S or M, or even occasionally in EXR when needed, and I do like the advanced modes for a few special circumstances.
 
AdamT wrote:

The XS1 has come ..... It`s an Orby one which is soft at full zoom, droop is about the same as a canon or Nikon Cheapo 70-300 (not as bad as some samples ?), I
I've spent considerable time in the Canon DSLR forums and never noticed any posts about drooping zooms. Not even one. I've seen literally dozens of such threads about that on the XS1 though.
 
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Midwest wrote:
AdamT wrote:

The XS1 has come ..... It`s an Orby one which is soft at full zoom, droop is about the same as a canon or Nikon Cheapo 70-300 (not as bad as some samples ?), I
I've spent considerable time in the Canon DSLR forums and never noticed any posts about drooping zooms. Not even one. I've seen literally dozens of such threads about that on the XS1 though.
You don't need to read about it on the net. I've had the type of lenses Adams talking about, cheap Sigmas and Tamrons, Nikons 18-200 VR, they all droop and move, in fact more than the XS-1.
 
Midwest wrote:The XS1 has come ..... It`s an Orby one which is soft at full zoom, droop is about the same as a canon or Nikon Cheapo 70-300 (not as bad as some samples ?), I

I've spent considerable time in the Canon DSLR forums and never noticed any posts about drooping zooms. Not even one. I've seen literally dozens of such threads about that on the XS1 though.
that`s because they`re CHEAP and no one cares , a basic Sigma or Tamron 70-300 is little over £100 new , the Cheapo canon and Nikon 70-300 (non IS) are usually bought used for under £100 so no one bothers about such things, the OEM ones wobble more than the Sigmas and Tamrons .......

The XS1 cost £600 and drooped - what highlighted and why it was screamed about was that the "cheap" HS series, the Prior S100/200 and even the old S9000/6000 series didn`t droop at all .

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jcmarfilph wrote:
Jostian wrote:
jcmarfilph wrote:
AdamT wrote:

400mm, 70th second, L size heavily Cropped . resize and PP. 1st attempt at a Bird shot not on a feeder and was twitching about .... I`m no Birder anyway BTW, just testing the camera.. the lack of noise so lesser artifacts make PP`ing so much easier than the pinheads. I find this with the S6500 and did with the 9500 and S100FS .
 
What Joms is on about is what`s called "Pixels Per Duck" .. with 1000mm he can put far more soft smeary (JPG) or noisy (RAW) HS50 Pixels on a bird than you can put sharp clean XS1 ones from the same distance resulting in possibly as much detail (Maybe more if its a long way off and you really have to crop a helll of a lot) ..

what he doesn`t take into account is the actual image quality of the photo, as you could see by his Robin example , pinhead sensors and compromised megazoom lenses result in horrible distracting halation loaded backgrounds and in RAW more noise grit than real detail as well (or in JPG a smeary mess) ..
 
Jostian wrote:
jcmarfilph wrote:
Jostian wrote:
jcmarfilph wrote:
AdamT wrote:

400mm, 70th second, L size heavily Cropped . resize and PP. 1st attempt at a Bird shot not on a feeder and was twitching about .... I`m no Birder anyway BTW, just testing the camera.. the lack of noise so lesser artifacts make PP`ing so much easier than the pinheads. I find this with the S6500 and did with the 9500 and S100FS .
 

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