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Got an X-S1 coming
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jcmarfilph
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Adam-T
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Thats because the XS1 Shot was shaken - A LOT - it`s a terrible pic - I`m amazed at the number of shaken and misfocussed pics Pro review sites let through ......
The XS1 will be set to sharpness -2 and NR -2 and PP`d - if it can`t beat an HS50`s (or HS30`s) pinhead sensor and compromised 42X zoom then there`s something seriously wrong and it`ll be gone faster than you can shout TAXI !! ...... the HS50 isn`t even on the map after seeing the colour from it - the XS1 has the same lovely colour as the HS10/20/30
Where`s Paul when you need him (He who has good samples from the XS1 and a mature PP regime) :-D
The XS1 will be set to sharpness -2 and NR -2 and PP`d - if it can`t beat an HS50`s (or HS30`s) pinhead sensor and compromised 42X zoom then there`s something seriously wrong and it`ll be gone faster than you can shout TAXI !! ...... the HS50 isn`t even on the map after seeing the colour from it - the XS1 has the same lovely colour as the HS10/20/30
Where`s Paul when you need him (He who has good samples from the XS1 and a mature PP regime) :-D
Jostian
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resize?? just look at the photos at 100% the difference is pretty apparent, no one resizes... the fact that the grass is absolute mush at the wide end on the HS50 wont change by resizing (THE DETAIL IS JUST NOT THERE, simple). You say the clock is clearer on the HS50, nope not a chance its not clearer at all, there's bad halo'ing around the gold bits and precious little detail, the XS-1 has more detail across the frame, especially around the edges. And yes the HS50 has got a longer zoom but from 24mm through to 654mm the XS-1 is better, the photos show it, EVERY single review says it etc. etc. so while the HS50 has a longer zoom and snappier AF the XS-1 has better IQ, better high iso IQ, better build, and EVF. Both are nice cam's though, but no-one will believe (perhaps one or two) that its IQ is better than the XS-1.
Jostian
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you must be joking right...
100% crop XS1
HS50 100% crop
XS1 100% crop
HS50 100% crop
and you say the HS50 has better clock detail... mmm, NO! and I wont even mention the color... HS50 is washed out whereas the XS1 has done a way better job with its color.
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100% crop XS1
HS50 100% crop
XS1 100% crop
HS50 100% crop
and you say the HS50 has better clock detail... mmm, NO! and I wont even mention the color... HS50 is washed out whereas the XS1 has done a way better job with its color.
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Adam-T
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Jostian , whatever Joms owns is the best, regardless whether it is or not - he could buy the ghastly SL1000 and he`d proclaim it to be the best camera on earth . even cams he`s had before (and proclaimed to be the best) become "Dogs" after the new one is bought .......
there`s no question of even faint praise for anything else, no rational discussion about where anything else could be possibly better in any possible way (even a FF DSLR with Pro glass) , He`ll prove his point with contrived samples chosen specially for the job (suchas the shaky XS1 pic and blurry SX40 banknotes) and even if you posted the sharpest most detailed sample , he`ll find some fault with it however minor -
There`s no end, he`s best ignored when it comes to camera comparisons, there`s just no Rationality there ..
there`s no question of even faint praise for anything else, no rational discussion about where anything else could be possibly better in any possible way (even a FF DSLR with Pro glass) , He`ll prove his point with contrived samples chosen specially for the job (suchas the shaky XS1 pic and blurry SX40 banknotes) and even if you posted the sharpest most detailed sample , he`ll find some fault with it however minor -
There`s no end, he`s best ignored when it comes to camera comparisons, there`s just no Rationality there ..
Adam-T
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The XS1 is shaken in that pic and chosen by Joms for that reason . it`s not covered in detail killing NR like the HS50 one though .. Joms said the HS50 was shot at ISO200 - well if the XS1 had been , it`d have been BETTER again due to lack of shake
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Jostian
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Thanks for the heads up Adam, appreciated, will save me the stress of stating the obvious only to be met with continued delusional rhetoric...
And yes (with ref to the photo you mention) even with the bit of shake the XS-1 still shows way more detail.
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jcmarfilph
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The hell? You are more interested in the moss rather than the clock? If I want more detail on the moss, I would zoom the HS50 all the way or go up there and shoot in in macro mode. And nobody is going to compare a 16MP from pinhead to 12MP from one with sensor twice the size unless you resize 16MP to 12MP or you are stupid.Jostian wrote:
you must be joking right...
100% crop XS1
HS50 100% crop
XS1 100% crop
HS50 100% crop
and you say the HS50 has better clock detail... mmm, NO! and I wont even mention the color... HS50 is washed out whereas the XS1 has done a way better job with its color.
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Jostian
About color, which one is correct? The X-S1 with blue cast or the HS50 with pure black and better contrast? Look at the clock hands on the X-S1, about to blown out and has terrible CA. HS50 is much sharper maybe because of the higher shutterspeed.
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jcmarfilph
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I told him already that he posted a comparison with different light, angle, time and settings and even distance but he insisted that X-S1 is better. These so-called PRO reviewers are retarded and shouldn't be taken seriously.
I have posted a much better comparison between HS50 (using right settings) and SX40 (using right settings) both indoor and outdoor and guess what? There is no way you will choose a slow motoyrize superzoom over HS50 unless you are zoom-freak while recording video.
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jcmarfilph
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Why would I buy a slow mediocre camera when there is HS50? Think better Adam.
Even if I spend tons of time PP SL1000 RAW, it will still be short than the one from HS50.
Wrong. Did I say HS50 is better than X-S1 in every feature? No.
Show me your better way of comparing cameras please. Sadly even DPR is one of those paid/biased PRO-reviewers as seen from their reviews nowadays.
Jostian
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you were the only one talking about re-sizing etc. so by your own admission you're stupid... NOBODY BOTHERS WITH RESIZING, 99.9% of people just look at the photo at 100% if they want to compare detail!!! look at DPReview, ephotozine etc. when they they do their group tests they compare photos at 100% crop, simple. No resizing etc. wake up dude...jcmarfilph wrote:
The hell? You are more interested in the moss rather than the clock? If I want more detail on the moss, I would zoom the HS50 all the way or go up there and shoot in in macro mode. And nobody is going to compare a 16MP from pinhead to 12MP from one with sensor twice the size unless you resize 16MP to 12MP or you are stupid.Jostian wrote:
you must be joking right...
100% crop XS1
HS50 100% crop
XS1 100% crop
HS50 100% crop
and you say the HS50 has better clock detail... mmm, NO! and I wont even mention the color... HS50 is washed out whereas the XS1 has done a way better job with its color.
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Jostian
About color, which one is correct? The X-S1 with blue cast or the HS50 with pure black and better contrast? Look at the clock hands on the X-S1, about to blown out and has terrible CA. HS50 is much sharper maybe because of the higher shutterspeed.
-=[ Joms ]=-
Blue cast, mmm again your delusions taking over, strange that the review (nor any other) didn't mention the blue cast, and if you are that 'out there' to think the HS50 shows better contrast then all the luck in the world won't save you and your HS50! all hail the new king... woohoo!
see below comparison between 3 different camera's with 3 different resolutions and the review just showing them at 100% crop OF THEIR RESPECTIVE SENSOR RESOLUTION!!! no resizing blah blah, that's how its done BY ALL REVIEW WEBSITES (get with the programme)...
DPReview, different sensor sizes =different 100% crop sizes no resizing them to all the same size!!
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jcmarfilph
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Adam-T
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The XS1 has come ..... It`s an Orby one which is soft at full zoom, droop is about the same as a canon or Nikon Cheapo 70-300 (not as bad as some samples ?), I updated the Firmware - Fuji are sending a postal box to pick it up and get it sorted, it`s in virtually unused condition.
These are my initial findings in my usual "tell it as it is" fashion with no Purchase defense, no bull, no bias (why would there be, if its Pants, the HS30 stays ! Simple)
First impressions - nice heft, layout and viewfinder, still no damn eyecup though and what there is, is just as hard as the HS ones .... This is a plastic camera , the metal trim on the lens and the alloy dials ain`t foolin no one, it`s no less a plastic camera than the HS30 , just that being bigger with a bigger lens with more glass in (and likely a steel subchassis) it weighs more . the lens has a better action and the buttons are a bit bigger but it doesn`t make the HS30 feel like a toy by any means, though my HS30 does have a very smooth zoom action for a HS..
Hokay - First impressions of IQ - the sensor is definately a good step up from the 1/2" unit - even at base ISO, the lower native noise shows because there`s less NR (all set to lowest) so less NR artifacts and the detail looks more nautral - also there`s less blooming or whatever its called which makes pinhead sensors look inferior , less CA , less Distortion to deal with - altogether the images look less Mobile Phone and more larger sensor - you can see this hard to explain quality in the old S series with larger sensors (6500, 9500, 100FS). Pinhead sensor images look "Cheaper" for the want of a better word, a lack of "depth" - it`s like comparing Micro 4/3 with Full frame .......
The camera locking up when focussing seems worse than the HS30 - more like the HS20 and as someone said, it`s no HS30 for Telemacros - thankfully I have the expensive , old and Superb Olympus MCON-35 Macro adapter (62mm too) .. Button placement is fine but still only 1 command dial so no direct access to Exposure comp . why these cams don`t use the useless focus ring for this job is beyond me ...
I`m going to keep shooting with it until the Fuji repair Box lands ..
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These are my initial findings in my usual "tell it as it is" fashion with no Purchase defense, no bull, no bias (why would there be, if its Pants, the HS30 stays ! Simple)
First impressions - nice heft, layout and viewfinder, still no damn eyecup though and what there is, is just as hard as the HS ones .... This is a plastic camera , the metal trim on the lens and the alloy dials ain`t foolin no one, it`s no less a plastic camera than the HS30 , just that being bigger with a bigger lens with more glass in (and likely a steel subchassis) it weighs more . the lens has a better action and the buttons are a bit bigger but it doesn`t make the HS30 feel like a toy by any means, though my HS30 does have a very smooth zoom action for a HS..
Hokay - First impressions of IQ - the sensor is definately a good step up from the 1/2" unit - even at base ISO, the lower native noise shows because there`s less NR (all set to lowest) so less NR artifacts and the detail looks more nautral - also there`s less blooming or whatever its called which makes pinhead sensors look inferior , less CA , less Distortion to deal with - altogether the images look less Mobile Phone and more larger sensor - you can see this hard to explain quality in the old S series with larger sensors (6500, 9500, 100FS). Pinhead sensor images look "Cheaper" for the want of a better word, a lack of "depth" - it`s like comparing Micro 4/3 with Full frame .......
The camera locking up when focussing seems worse than the HS30 - more like the HS20 and as someone said, it`s no HS30 for Telemacros - thankfully I have the expensive , old and Superb Olympus MCON-35 Macro adapter (62mm too) .. Button placement is fine but still only 1 command dial so no direct access to Exposure comp . why these cams don`t use the useless focus ring for this job is beyond me ...
I`m going to keep shooting with it until the Fuji repair Box lands ..
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jcmarfilph
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Here we have the First samples . both set to 24mm (really 22mm on the HS30) ISO100 , 450th sec , F4 ...... Sharp and NR on lowest ....... Shot at L size as it renders the most detail from the HS30 to give it a fair chance of winning .
First the full size samples . the HS30 at 16Mp and the XS1 at 12Mp
HS30 full size image - click Original to see full 16Mp
XS1 Full size image - Click original to see full size
NOW Downsized to 8Mp and PP`d .. the 16Mp HS30 should have a clear advantage in theory
HS30 PP`d down to 8Mp for Max detail
XS1
Conclusion - As you can clearly see, the XS1`s lower pixel count larger sensor is doing a very noticably better job than the 16Mp Pinhead.. at 16Mp the HS30 looks very upsized (so do the HS20 and HS50) whereas the XS1 (or X10) doesn`t look as bad , this is why the X10 stands up to the X20 so well . the glass is also better on the XS1 by a considerable margin at the wide end , Fuji should have made a new lens for the HS20 instead of re-using the HS10 lens .
even at 8Mp the difference is clear - the XS1 looking less contrived ..... when it comes back, I`ll do a DR check - I fell I`ll be seeing a lot more native DR and less EXR trickery to get a more natural image ..
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First the full size samples . the HS30 at 16Mp and the XS1 at 12Mp
HS30 full size image - click Original to see full 16Mp
XS1 Full size image - Click original to see full size
NOW Downsized to 8Mp and PP`d .. the 16Mp HS30 should have a clear advantage in theory
HS30 PP`d down to 8Mp for Max detail
XS1
Conclusion - As you can clearly see, the XS1`s lower pixel count larger sensor is doing a very noticably better job than the 16Mp Pinhead.. at 16Mp the HS30 looks very upsized (so do the HS20 and HS50) whereas the XS1 (or X10) doesn`t look as bad , this is why the X10 stands up to the X20 so well . the glass is also better on the XS1 by a considerable margin at the wide end , Fuji should have made a new lens for the HS20 instead of re-using the HS10 lens .
even at 8Mp the difference is clear - the XS1 looking less contrived ..... when it comes back, I`ll do a DR check - I fell I`ll be seeing a lot more native DR and less EXR trickery to get a more natural image ..
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Adam-T
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400mm, 70th second, L size heavily Cropped . resize and PP. 1st attempt at a Bird shot not on a feeder and was twitching about .... I`m no Birder anyway BTW, just testing the camera.. the lack of noise so lesser artifacts make PP`ing so much easier than the pinheads. I find this with the S6500 and did with the 9500 and S100FS .
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