Would GX7 be rebadged?

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I think it would look terrific if the front was slightly modified like on this image; with a red dot, a Leica firmware and 2 years warranty!

(Thanks to the person who sent me this picture)

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If Leica doesn't rebadge this Panasonic camera as a Leica, then they will have blundered seriously. This is one of the very best Panasonic cameras ever created. They could call it a Leica, then bundle it with the 25mm f/1.4 faux Leica lens! Then sell it for $2,500.

Think about all the superzoom, travel zoom and other modest cameras they have rebadged as Leicas. It would make no sense not to rebadge this one too, since this one is exceptional.

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I would like it better if it was rebadged with a Crocs logo and the camera was lime green. Even if they raised the price to $3000 then I think it would sell very well! How long must we wait for Crocs to get into the game?

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Henry Richardson wrote:

I would like it better if it was rebadged with a Crocs logo and the camera was lime green. Even if they raised the price to $3000 then I think it would sell very well! How long must we wait for Crocs to get into the game?
This camera is screaming out for a special Leica Titanium edition. Priced at $7,000. It will beat the pants off the Hasselblad Lunar!

I want one!

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Has even one Lumix m4/3 camera been rebadged as a Leica?

My guess is no because then there could be a Leica camera with non-Leica (e.g., Olympus) glass: How gauche! :-)
 
Marty4650 wrote:

If Leica doesn't rebadge this Panasonic camera as a Leica, then they will have blundered seriously. This is one of the very best Panasonic cameras ever created. They could call it a Leica, then bundle it with the 25mm f/1.4 faux Leica lens! Then sell it for $2,500.

Think about all the superzoom, travel zoom and other modest cameras they have rebadged as Leicas. It would make no sense not to rebadge this one too, since this one is exceptional.--
Except that Leica no longer rebadges non-compact cameras. The first and last interchangeable lens camera they did that with was the Panasonic DMC-L1, back in 2006.
 
Marty4650 wrote:
Henry Richardson wrote:

I would like it better if it was rebadged with a Crocs logo and the camera was lime green. Even if they raised the price to $3000 then I think it would sell very well! How long must we wait for Crocs to get into the game?
This camera is screaming out for a special Leica Titanium edition. Priced at $7,000. It will beat the pants off the Hasselblad Lunar!

I want one!

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Olympus E-30
Olympus E-PL2
Olympus OM-D
Sony SLT-A55

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I think the camera industry needs some new, out-of-the-box, innovative thinking. I bet Crocs could do it! Also, we can dream about what Zebco, Kelloggs, and Kotex could do....



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PC Wheeler wrote:

Has even one Lumix m4/3 camera been rebadged as a Leica?

My guess is no because then there could be a Leica camera with non-Leica (e.g., Olympus) glass: How gauche! :-)
Was quite possible with non-micro 4/3rds ...
 
PC Wheeler wrote:

Has even one Lumix m4/3 camera been rebadged as a Leica?

My guess is no because then there could be a Leica camera with non-Leica (e.g., Olympus) glass: How gauche! :-)
 
I am disappointed with the LCD screen not being "fully articulating" like on the GH cameras. I use this feature while shooting in portrait mode when I want to hold the camera down low.

a mic jack and fully articulating LCD would have sold me.

it will be a while before I am tempted to pick up another body. Maybe they will include these features on the GX8, and I can pick that up when the GH9 rolls out in about four years!

I have a GH1 I bought from Panasonic for $345 with 14-42mm kit lens, when the GH2 was rolled out.

I bought my GH2 for $700 when the GH3 rolled out. So I am in the camp of buying last years model discounted.
 
I thought that the LCD tipped in a way which would allow a low angle view. Regarding rebadging, it seems that only the LX line and the FZ bridge cameras have been rebadged as Leica products and sold with better warranty plus better software. The price, of course, is at least double and sometimes more when the red dot appears. I like my LX 3, 5 and 7 cameras without the red dot.
 
LMNCT wrote:

I thought that the LCD tipped in a way which would allow a low angle view. Regarding rebadging, it seems that only the LX line and the FZ bridge cameras have been rebadged as Leica products and sold with better warranty plus better software. The price, of course, is at least double and sometimes more when the red dot appears. I like my LX 3, 5 and 7 cameras without the red dot.
I'm sure you could pick up some sticky red dots at a school supply store. Viva la LX-3.
 
Joel Halbert wrote:
PC Wheeler wrote:

Has even one Lumix m4/3 camera been rebadged as a Leica?

My guess is no because then there could be a Leica camera with non-Leica (e.g., Olympus) glass: How gauche! :-)

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First of all, I do have a couple of Olympus lenses in Leica screw mount, very nicely made, not gauche at all!

Leica cameras with other-brand lenses are nothing new. Nippon Kogaku made a good business with excellent L39 Nikkors for Leica, Canon, Nicca etc. David Douglas Duncan and others were big fans of Nikkor lenses. There is a long historical list of such non-Leitz lenses for Leica, some now quite sought after, and a much shorter but non-zero list of Leica lenses in other mounts or on fixed-lens cameras.

Jumping to the modern era, Leica "officially" stated that they would not pursue MFT because they believed the achievable image quality wouldn't be high enough. In my opinion, that was an inadvisable statement as well as a significant planning error.

I do think Leica could contribute to (and profit from) MFT, but my hope would be that they would do more than re-badge and have Panasonic slightly re-finish the body. The significant price difference should be justified by real feature and/or build quality. Something like the GX7 could have been done as a joint Leica/Panasonic project a year or two ago. And there is still room for premium lens development. I don't think that MFT "needs" Leica, but I do think that the system would gain from another high-end participant (too bad Fuji didn't bite).

The apparently late-coming decision to brand the 42.5mm f/1.2 lens as a Leica (originally shown as a Lumix brand prototype) may indicate that more is to come; we'll have to see. But I do hope that Leica doesn't just dress up the GX7 and bundle Lightroom; it should be something more than that. But I have to admit I'm not sure what exactly.
Hi Joel,

The conventional wisdom (Ming Thein's Review: The Leica D-Lux 6 / Panasonic LX7 ) is that Leica re-badging is cosmetic with some bundling. (Although I read Thein's opinions with some skepticism, I do appreciate the facts that he lays out.)

However a few months ago a German designer friend of mine, who is a very proficient photographer showed me his D-Lux 6 saying, "It has very advanced firmware". Unfortunately we got sidetracked into other topics and I didn't ask for details.

Does anyone know if this is true? And if so, in what way?

If Leica has solved the issue of small ("crappy") JPG files for the VF when shooting RAW, it would be a very nice feature. Especially if the firmware also provided for an accurate way of determining exposure (in the Gollywop sense) in liveview when shooting RAW.

If Leica would build on the GX7 with some advanced features it might help break MFT out of the brand wilderness that I think afflicts it (at least in Canada.)

Tom
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mausta wrote:

I am disappointed with the LCD screen not being "fully articulating" like on the GH cameras. I use this feature while shooting in portrait mode when I want to hold the camera down low.

a mic jack and fully articulating LCD would have sold me. ...
The missing mic jack does seem to be a strange omission. If it was for cost reduction, that doesn't go with the positioning of the camera. I would guess that it is one of those "committee" decisions, even more prevalent in Japan than elsewhere, that just miss the mark. Remember the missing EVF eye-sensor feature on the G3? Another poor decision, one that they haven't repeated since.

As for the LCD, this is the first Lumix G with an EVF but then without a fully-articulated LCD.

Arguments in favor of the GX7 tilt-screen style:
1. A number of Olympus users claim that they prefer this style over the fully-articulated style.
2. Recent G cameras have allowed the use of the touch-screen as a control touch-pad even when the EVF is in use. This would probably become more awkward if the LCD were swung out on the left side of the camera below the EVF.
3. The tilt LCD is a little less obvious in use (more discreet) than the swing-out LCD.
4. With Wi-Fi remote view capability on a phone or tablet, fully articulated LCD has become less critical.

Arguments in favor of the fully-articulated style:
1. Many Panasonic users have gotten used to this versatility and will miss it.
2. (Major one for me). The screen can be turned over and stored to create a nice plain back, protecting it from scratches, grease, dirt and distraction.
3. Ability to see the screen from the front of the camera for group photos, still-life set-ups or (least important for me) self-portraits.
4. (As mausta wrote) Much better for portrait-mode shooting; tilt screen not very helpful in that case.
5. Generally, more possible shooting angles where you can still see the screen.

I think I would have preferred the fully-articulated, but I can live with the chosen design. Mostly I will miss being able to flip the screen to the inside.
 
GeorgianBay1939 wrote:

... a German designer friend of mine, who is a very proficient photographer showed me his D-Lux 6 saying, "It has very advanced firmware". Unfortunately we got sidetracked into other topics and I didn't ask for details.

Does anyone know if this is true? And if so, in what way?

If Leica has solved the issue of small ("crappy") JPG files for the VF when shooting RAW, it would be a very nice feature. Especially if the firmware also provided for an accurate way of determining exposure (in the Gollywop sense) in liveview when shooting RAW. ...
This discussion has been going back and forth for a few years. I believe that the Leica JPGs are balanced differently, but this is a subtlety and many users around here dismiss JPG output as an important determination of camera quality. It seems generally agreed that the RAW output is no different.

In any case, I think that Leica would be a bit more clear about the advantages of their firmware if they really felt it was a compelling advantage. I'm looking for more substantial differences to justify paying a premium. I really don't mind a bigger mark-up for a smaller-volume product that has a compelling advantage, but the differences in the D-lux line have not (to me) been compelling. And I am sorry to see Leica making it so easy to have their products ridiculed; they have a proud and well-deserved reputation that is suffering, not just from ignorant or jealous fan-boyism, but from legitimate frustration over their current "value proposition".
If Leica would build on the GX7 with some advanced features it might help break MFT out of the brand wilderness that I think afflicts it (at least in Canada.)
 
I also followed these discussions for years, and even had a D-Lux4 Titanium which I got at a great price (kind of an accident which worked out for me) after I decided I missed my Pany LX3. There were all kinds of ridiculous stories about differences, most emanating from those trying to justify paying the extra money so they could say they owned a Leica, which, of course, they didn't.

I remember myths about different lens coatings, different lenses, "real" Titanium, and even the absurd contention that the bodies which passed the highest quality control were given the Leica badge, ignoring the fact that the bodies were a little different. No one could prove if the FW was a little different or not, but, if so, it didn't affect the photos. There were also lengthy discussions comparing resale value and depreciation. During all of this, it was easy to imagine the Leica marketing department giggling and snickering at the buffoons trying to legitimize buying an over-priced Panasonic with a red badge.

As was mentioned, there was a longer warranty and better software included, but that's about it. I liked my gray Leica, but when a couple people said: "Oh, you've got a Leica," I always mentioned that it was really a Panasonic, although the case (which came with the special edition) might be considered to be true Leica.

Ironically, I just sold a nice, white LX5, that I carried in a brown, leather Leica case. Similar to the above, I had a Pany camera in a Leica case, again!
 

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