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Is either program using your monitor profile?
 
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Is your monitor a wide gamut monitor? If not then why are you using aRGB?

Is your monitor color calibrated? If not then it should be.

What Working Color Space do you have Photoshop set to? It should be sRGB, aRGB, or ProPhoto. Do NOT set it to the monitor profile or to the color calibration profile.

Try setting DPP to sRGB and exporting the TIFF as a sRGB file.
 
In DPP there is a place in tools/preferences/color management to set your monitor profile that you calibrated. Be sure your monitor brightness, if not uploaded at boot, is set to your calibration brightness that you used.If you intend to print, soft proofing works best if your monitor is calibrated brightness at about 110 to 130 foot-candles and in that same DPP color management tab you cab place your printer profile. DPP will use the colorspace initially as set on your camera and embedded into the RAW file oe you can get in ine color management tab. All of the parameters will be exported into the .tif however PS will only use a few. It will catch the colorspace tag in the .tif file and use it if you have PS set up that way.
 
If you use an standard, non IPS, monitor then in reality it most likely is a CYMK profile. This essentially is what HD TVs are. This is the common thing for computers to use other than higher end monitors.

I use a Samsung NP700G7C with a 120hz screen. Most of my pics are converted to JPG's and displayed electronically. My main interest is then getting the JPG output to as closely match the Canon DPP editor. I find in Canon DPP using the RSWOP.icm as the monitor profile (a CYMK from RGB profile) and comparing the output side by side to the open editor comes to the closest match. YMMV and calibration is always best but this works for me...............
 
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What kind of monitor uses a subtractive (overlay) color system? Most I am familiar with have striped pixel layers of RGB that are merged by the eye and are therefore additive color systems. CCFL or LED backlighting illuminates the non stacked but adjacent color cells in the LCD array.

SWOP (Standard Web Offset Press?) rely on overlaid ink layers that work like stacking color filters. Same with inkjets where the pixels can overlay filtering the light reflected from the paper or other medium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD
 
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That article addresses using the SWOP profile for proofing with MS Office. AFAIK MS Office does not have soft proofing capability and maybe they attempt a cheat, poorly at that.

If you do have an image editing or printing app that offers soft proofing use the monitor profile provided and SWOP for the printing profile for offset presses or the printer vendor provided profile.

You can also use without a proofing capability application a print preview in your printer driver but with some Canon drivers that causes a problem.

Anyway with DPP use the monitor vendor provided profile for the monitor setting and then for the soft proof only put SWOP if that is your intended output medium in the DPP printer profile setting.

For a target audience of web viewing the color space is sRGB.

Inkjet printer drivers will convert from the RGB computer output color space coordinates to CMYK in their driver.

Some non-inkjet printers like the old wax-types some (Techtronix) might use the overlay technique but AFAIK the driver took care of all conversions.

The office product line is intended for in my opinion business graphics on laser or "wax type" shared office printers. I'd see what the printer vendor recommends.

I only use an older version (Office 97) for word processing and newer versions may have a soft proof capability. Sorry, can't check that out. That is not relevant in DPP unless you have a special printer use case as I noted and then you do not use SWOP as a monitor profile. For office, you would do all of your adjustments in an image editor including DPP butthen you would just import your image without any color adjustments into office.

Another thing to consider is that Win loads on startup the monitor profile you specify as default. An image editor, which then might offer soft proofing, would load your monitor profile chosen replacing the default loaded profile if it has that capability or just the default loaded by Win at startup. The printer profile and rendering intent would then be placed in the printer/output section of the editor. If you turn on soft proof viewing mode then the app would translate between the two profiles so you could approximate the output medium.

(I am a DPP user and on occasion print directly from that and have not had any problem in specifying my monitor profile and printer profile in its preference options for color management.)

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Ron Ginsberg
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Land of 10,000 Puddles
 
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The vedor for my laptop did not provide one. What I did was look at the profiles available, three and tried each. With the RSWOP loooking at DPP with the raw file and the uncompressed JPG they are the closest for color etc. Without the profile it actually in DPP appears a bit washed out compared to the output.
 
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If you are using a color calibrated monitor do NOT Use the Monitor Profile.

When the color calibration software starts up it will automatically change the profile the monitor is using from the one supplied by the OS to the color calibrated monitor. From then on all programs will be displayed with the correct color profile. If you specify that the the Monitor Profile is to be used instead of sRGB you can mess up the colors in DPP since the images are already being shown on a corrected monitor.

From Canon Support - How do I set a work color space in Digital Photo Professional

The color space is a reproductive color range. For digital cameras, there are color spaces called sRGB, which is widely used, and Adobe RGB, which can express green and blue ranges vividly. Digital Photo Professional supports five kinds of color space, and you can set the color space that makes the best use of the image's characteristics as necessary. However, if you open images shot with a camera that is set to Adobe RGB in software that can only display sRGB, the color range that can be achieved in Adobe RGB cannot be displayed and the correct colors might not be reproduced.

Since most monitors can only display the sRGB color space the best choice for most uses with DPP is sRGB as the working color space.

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Living and loving it in Bangkok, Thailand. Canon 7D - See the gear list for the rest.
 
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If you are using a color calibrated monitor do NOT Use the Monitor Profile.

When the color calibration software starts up it will automatically change the profile the monitor is using from the one supplied by the OS to the color calibrated monitor. From then on all programs will be displayed with the correct color profile. If you specify that the the Monitor Profile is to be used instead of sRGB you can mess up the colors in DPP since the images are already being shown on a corrected monitor.

From Canon Support - How do I set a work color space in Digital Photo Professional

The color space is a reproductive color range. For digital cameras, there are color spaces called sRGB, which is widely used, and Adobe RGB, which can express green and blue ranges vividly. Digital Photo Professional supports five kinds of color space, and you can set the color space that makes the best use of the image's characteristics as necessary. However, if you open images shot with a camera that is set to Adobe RGB in software that can only display sRGB, the color range that can be achieved in Adobe RGB cannot be displayed and the correct colors might not be reproduced.

Since most monitors can only display the sRGB color space the best choice for most uses with DPP is sRGB as the working color space.

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Living and loving it in Bangkok, Thailand. Canon 7D - See the gear list for the rest.
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So on the 2 above should be set to sRGB or just the monitor?
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No, this is not a color calibrated monitor. If it were I'd alow the software to do the work. I do have a 400nit 120hz monitor but noticed DPP was a bit blury and faded. Since I have no way to fix this I tried the color profiles, YMMV but it is very close to my eyes. The file output to uncompressed JPG is closer as well.
 
TANWare said:
TANWare wrote:

No, this is not a color calibrated monitor. If it were I'd alow the software to do the work. I do have a 400nit 120hz monitor but noticed DPP was a bit blury and faded. Since I have no way to fix this I tried the color profiles, YMMV but it is very close to my eyes. The file output to uncompressed JPG is closer as well.
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If my monitor is calibrated I still shouldn't use the calibrated monitor?

also the default setting of work color space, since when you shoot RAW and the RAW image is Adobe RGB shouldn't we set it there?
 
SpartanWarrior said:
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If my monitor is calibrated I still shouldn't use the calibrated monitor?
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Of course you should use your calibrated monitor.

Your problem is that you are seeing different colors when you view a RAW image in DPP and then the exported TIFF in CS2.

What you should do is set the DPP display and working color space settings to sRGB. You should also set the working color space of CS2 to sRGB.
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also the default setting of work color space, since when you shoot RAW and the RAW image is Adobe RGB shouldn't we set it there?
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RAW files don't have a color space. Let me repeat that - RAW files don't have a color space.

When you open a RAW file it is displayed in the color space chosen by the software.

In your case you will avoid your color shift problem if you set the working color space of DPP and CS2 to sRGB and leave them there.

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Living and loving it in Bangkok, Thailand. Canon 7D - See the gear list for the rest.
 
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SpartanWarrior said:
TANWare wrote:

No, this is not a color calibrated monitor. If it were I'd alow the software to do the work. I do have a 400nit 120hz monitor but noticed DPP was a bit blury and faded. Since I have no way to fix this I tried the color profiles, YMMV but it is very close to my eyes. The file output to uncompressed JPG is closer as well.
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If my monitor is calibrated I still shouldn't use the calibrated monitor?

also the default setting of work color space, since when you shoot RAW and the RAW image is Adobe RGB shouldn't we set it there?
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