FULL SIZE Fuji X20 samples

Joel Stern wrote:
ryder78 wrote:
Joel Stern wrote:
ryder78 wrote:

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.
Use your Nokia then and be happy.
Don't get me wrong. I want the X20 to show better results than the images shown in the Fuji Japan site(and the Nokia) since this one is in my shortlist.

Do you have anything to add on the IQ of the X20, posting something more useful rather than commenting about using my Nokia and be happy?
Well I have read a bunch of your posts even before these full sized ones came out where you praised your cell phone's camera over the X20, so I just thought maybe that was your choice as you seem to really like it.

I too want the X20 to be great but I won't rely on the Fuji sites samples, 6 pics, not enough to make a decision with and we don't know anything about how they were taken. Are they RAW, JPEG, are they a certain type of setting. For me it is a wait and see, too early to guess, the real proof will be when this camera is in the hands of forums users that are talented photographers and then we will see what this camera can do. Everyone complained about Fuji's X10 and X100 posted shots as well so whey would we look at these for the X20 and expect anything better. I am sure we will see better or many of us will not be buying the 20, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised. Maybe we will all run out and get X10's before they are gone, hard to say at this point in time.
Well, I don't know where you get the idea that I praised the 808's performance over the X20 in my earlier posts. I don't even compare the X10 to the 808, not to mention the X20. Most of the cameras that are referenced to the 808 in most of my earlier posts are P&S costing up to $350.

Anyway, I guess you are right that it may be prudent not to rely too much on these early samples. I do hope to see better samples of the X20 and X100S when the cameras hit the shelves, though some already felt the X20 samples looked better than the ones taken by good DSLRs.
 
I don't think these images look bad at all considering the time of day with lots of shadows. The detail in the windows look very good to me in such dim conditions. I'm referring to the two Amsterdam canal photos. And the one with the red boat at the bottom right hand side …. well, you can even read the word "Amsterdam" if you blow it up. I'm impressed.

As far as the oranges are concerned, I would think you would get more detail in them if Provia was used instead of Velvia …. but who am I to say?? …. just guessing …..
 
Joel Stern wrote:
ryder78 wrote:
Joel Stern wrote:
ryder78 wrote:

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.
Use your Nokia then and be happy.
Don't get me wrong. I want the X20 to show better results than the images shown in the Fuji Japan site(and the Nokia) since this one is in my shortlist.

Do you have anything to add on the IQ of the X20, posting something more useful rather than commenting about using my Nokia and be happy?
Well I have read a bunch of your posts even before these full sized ones came out where you praised your cell phone's camera over the X20, so I just thought maybe that was your choice as you seem to really like it.

I too want the X20 to be great but I won't rely on the Fuji sites samples, 6 pics, not enough to make a decision with and we don't know anything about how they were taken. Are they RAW, JPEG, are they a certain type of setting. For me it is a wait and see, too early to guess, the real proof will be when this camera is in the hands of forums users that are talented photographers and then we will see what this camera can do. Everyone complained about Fuji's X10 and X100 posted shots as well so whey would we look at these for the X20 and expect anything better. I am sure we will see better or many of us will not be buying the 20, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised. Maybe we will all run out and get X10's before they are gone, hard to say at this point in time.

when I first looked at the samples I was pleased, but I am not a professional and not looking for perfection, I feel that these images are very nice. So we all look for different things.
You are right. I for one am going to keep an open mind because we have all seen what a really good camera can do in the wrong hands. Also, I have seen bad examples with the RX100 and I am able to get good shots and I am not great but I take time to learn the camera. So yeah, let's wait and see.
 
Joel Stern wrote:
Rachotilko wrote:

This is irony right ?

So let's talk oranges then, in case it is not. As you can see here, surface of the orange fruit is not smooth, it is bumpy. The oranges on the X20 samples are so much affected by NR that they look as smooth as eggs.
So for whatever reason Fuji is posting pics with heavy NR..ok, I always turn my NR off or to the lowest anyway. I bet in the hands of forum members we will see pics that are very pleasing to most of us. I bet Fuji posts what they think the majority of people want to see. How many people that buy cameras are posting on DPR, a minority for sure. Or Pixel Peeping, again a minority.
Since Rachotilko wants to talk oranges, these are blood oranges.

From Wikipedia:

"The blood orange is a variety of orange (Citrus × sinensis) with crimson, almost-blood-colored flesh. The fruit is smaller than an average orange; its skin is usually pitted, but can be smooth".

So if Rachotilko wants all oranges to look like the Florida oranges on Flickr, I'm afraid he is going to have to have to avoid using blood oranges in his still life.

Personally, I really like the rendering of these images. You can see the similarities with other X-Trans images in the colors, and low noise. Because they are JPEGs there is off some NR, but it's not excessive blurring of detail like some Sony low-end P&Ss.

These images look more refined, similar to other X-Trans images with terrific colors, and tonal transitions. Sharpness and detail is good, but they don't look hit-you-in-the-face over-sharpened like some P&S JPEGs.

The ISO 100 image of the river, we are seeing virtually no noise at all in the water at 100%. Pixel peep at 100% any base ISO X10 image and you will see some subtle noise in the sky, water, etc. These look cleaner, and even the ISO 800 night image (the last one) noise looks extremely well controlled.

Same with the ISO 400 image of the girl with the schoolbook. It is extremely clean, and I think it looks cleaner than my Nikon V1 at ISO 400 (but I hardly ever shoot JPEG on the V1, so I'll have to check that again. Look at it at 100% and the notebook and her knit cap have almost no noise AT ALL. It's only ISO 400, but realize that some ISO 100 images from other compact show noise in continuous tone areas like the sky. This is great news.

Anyway, when we see RAWs, and when they usual PhotographyBlog snapshot samples are published, I'm sure will see even more goodness from the X20.

But this is really good. I'm delighted with these few X20 samples. As long as you realize that they are OOC JPEGs, only seven images and that Fuji has a history of mediocre sample photos, I'm sure you'll be as pleased as I am.
 
1. Very odd that the camera or photographer chose DR 100% because the sky is washed out, as you can see by blue remnants behind the tree limbs. Good detail in the water and rowboat.


2. This is comparing oranges to apples. (joke) Big deal, I could have taken this picture with my crapola Canon compact.

3. Pink tulips(?) image shows good bokeh I guess, but most of the image is out of focus. This reminds me of my most hated genre, photos that say "I have f/1.4 lens and can set A mode!"

4. Pretty good for small-sensor ISO 400, although I wonder why DR 400% was chosen because lighting looks really flat.

5. Very artsy-fartsy. I like it, though. Does not say much about the camera, other than ISO 400 in low light is not too bad.

6. B&W, who cares, did not look at it.

7. Very low noise for ISO 800. I am not sure what it is, but I guess the shapes are interesting, the colors not so much.

Bonus opinion: I am neither excited nor disappointed. Mostly I wonder why this seemingly amateur photographer paid good money to visit Holland. Hard to believe it was a real Hollander, who would have known better spots for photography.
 
these images are superb in my opinion, better than any point-and-shoot compact camera I've owned (and I've owned zillions, included RX100 etc). Image 1 shows amazing picture quality and low noise at 100% and it is a JPEG!!!! I am used to only shoot RAW, and obviously these are not going to be as good as from my Olympus OM-D, or as someone mentioned above EPL5. Fuji did not say it would. However, these are JPEGs, and I can only imagine that RAWs will be even better!

So not only am I not canceling my pre-order, but I am eagerly awaiting one
 
Rachotilko wrote:

So let's talk oranges then, in case it is not. As you can see here, surface of the orange fruit is not smooth, it is bumpy. The oranges on the X20 samples are so much affected by NR that they look as smooth as eggs.
Thanks for the link to Flickr, <irony> I love Flickr! </irony>

You do realize that the fujifilm.jp site has links to the original size 4000x3000 pixel image? In which I see bumps on the oranges. The ones that are in focus, anyway.
 
Grrr. Found the pdf manual only to discover that it is not clarified what NR options there is of jpeg. Only some foolish "choose the amount of noise reduction" on page 93. Default settings seems to be Std, Standard then. Doesn't look very good in these sample images but might be bette if NR Off is available.

 
These are great shots...I can only imagine the X100s...top left corner looks the smudgiest, rest look fine...
 
schaki wrote:

Grrr. Found the pdf manual only to discover that it is not clarified what NR options there is of jpeg. Only some foolish "choose the amount of noise reduction" on page 93. Default settings seems to be Std, Standard then. Doesn't look very good in these sample images but might be bette if NR Off is available.

http://www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/manuals/pdf/index/x/x20_manual_01.pdf
You wouldn't know what the NR options are for the X10? Ah, never mind we will find out soon enough.
 
andrbar wrote:
ryder78 wrote:

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.
Use your Nokia then and be happy.
I'm sure there is something wrong with these images. Nobody can imagine that such a sophisticated camera as the X20 could give so poor pictures. Let's wait for some other images.
Indeed, there seem to be something seriously wrong with these images. But if it so, and the images are unrepresentative, why does Fuji hurry up to post them?
 
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LTZ470 wrote:

These are great shots...I can only imagine the X100s...top left corner looks the smudgiest, rest look fine...
In the first image, figured out why the buildings aren't as sharp as we expected. Focus is on the rowers in the canal, and since it was shot f3.6, DOF is not deep enough for tack sharp buildings in the background.

The lack of any noise whatsoever in the foreground water at 100% is really promising.
 
Quite puzzling that Fujifilm would post images like these for the highly anticipated camera, where one of the biggest talking points was the increase in resolution by using the X-Trans sensor. It looks like average 12 MP camera output with sizable NR applied. It seems like Fuji officially does not care about pixel peepers (by posting samples like that), not whatever they will think, like obviously they are not their intended market. On the other hand, color and tone is quite different from the norm, more like artistic interpretation of reality, maybe that is the main selling idea behind this camera.
 
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-=[ Joms ]=-
 
The JPG's take the hit from lightroom pretty well, I can only image what Raw will give us.

Original:

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Lightroomed:

ff_x20_004-2.jpg


Wether or not you like the PP I've applied (made the pic a little warmer, sharpening, clarity, pulled out the sky and water detail), there is a lot of information in the JPG.

/ordering X20 :-)
 

I have scrutinized the orange picture. Impressive. One must understand: while not macro properly, this picture is already quite near range, maybe A 4 which would be below 1:10. Even with a relatively small sized sensor like the 2/3 of the X 20, the sharp zone is very shallow. Those who critizise the photo for being oversmoothed might confuse out of focus with smoothing. Where the focus is, the details are shaaarp!
 
They look slightly better than files from the X10 so I guess that's all that matters.

You're all pixel peeping, when was the last time you saw a full resolution shot from the X10 posted here? There's a reason everyone downsizes to 800 pixels on the long end.

Get real people, it's a pinhead sensor in a overgrown P&S body, what do you really expect?
 
marike6 wrote:
LTZ470 wrote:

These are great shots...I can only imagine the X100s...top left corner looks the smudgiest, rest look fine...
In the first image, figured out why the buildings aren't as sharp as we expected. Focus is on the rowers in the canal, and since it was shot f3.6, DOF is not deep enough for tack sharp buildings in the background.

The lack of any noise whatsoever in the foreground water at 100% is really promising.
Right on the money Marcus...
 

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