FULL SIZE Fuji X20 samples

[Robert Garcia NYC]

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your thoughts?

 

[Adam-T]

Looking at the landscape ones, I don`t see anything special next to the usual 12Mp 1:1.7 brigade (G15, P7700, XZ2, EX2F and the like) , though as with those cams, I do see a lot of NR even at ISO100

http://fujifilm.jp/personal/digitalcamera/x/fujifilm_x20/sample_images/img/index/ff_x20_001.JPG

 

[Rachotilko]

• Where're all the details ?
• Why so much NR ?

Could be it's just a preproduction copy though. But I was hoping for much more in terms of resolution.

And maybe I was right in my feeling that X-Trans is benefitial mostly to the larger sensors, where removal of the AA filter leads to more substantial benefits.

And maybe it was just that Fuji listens too much to their customers: we ask for a retro styling, we get it; we ask for a low-megapixel EXR superzoom, we get it (X-S1); we ask for EXR-less X-Transed X10 follower, we get it.

Who knows. But these shots lack detail.

 

[papillon_65]

anything that makes me desperate to upgrade from the X10. Of course these samples might not be representative of what the camera is really capable of. I'm happy with the X10 to be honest and I think all the clamour for an "EXR less" replacement might be a bit misguided, maybe a case of "be careful what you wish for", we'll see I guess.

 

[Robert Garcia NYC]

Pretty disappointing for now. I'm thinking EPL-5 instead but still I going to give it a chance and see what reviewers think and what real world results are. Also, they should have posted ISO 1600 images I would like to see those.

 

[tinpusher]

the improvement in resolution that was promised.

After sharpening they look no different from an X10 image after sharpening.

As with the X10 , I guess that early images never look their best. I'm glad that I didn't pre order this time.

 

[André BARELIER]

Disappointed...

I'll wait for some more samples and tests to judge image quality, but for now, I'm really disapppointed.

 

[ryder78]

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.

 

[JJJRRR768]

ryder78 wrote:

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.

Use your Nokia then and be happy.

 

[ryder78]

Joel Stern wrote:

ryder78 wrote:

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.

Use your Nokia then and be happy.

Don't get me wrong. I want the X20 to show better results than the images shown in the Fuji Japan site(and the Nokia) since this one is in my shortlist.

Do you have anything to add on the IQ of the X20, posting something more useful rather than commenting about using my Nokia and be happy?

 

[André BARELIER]

ryder78 wrote:

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.

Use your Nokia then and be happy.

I'm sure there is something wrong with these images. Nobody can imagine that such a sophisticated camera as the X20 could give so poor pictures. Let's wait for some other images.

 

[evoprox]

Bad joke - really bad timing. They can't be serious about this, can they ?

'Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.' Dali

 

[marike6]

I'm not sure what people are seeing, or if they are not realizing that these are OOC JPEGs but these samples look great. We should wait to see the RAWs, but for JPEGs they look wonderful.

The colors and DR range are outstanding easily better than the X10. These two look like they could have come from my X-Pro1, so you'll excuse me if I laughing a little at people with the "my smartphone can take these" comments.

The Tulips below, look at the colors, sharpness, and bokeh. Compacts don't excel at making

images that look like they came from a DSLR or ILC, but the tulip image looks like it came from the

X100 or D7000.




So you'll have to excuse me if I chuckle a little at those claiming to be disappointed by these X20

samples. Either you didn't download them, and look at them full-screen on your computers or you

are simply expecting too much from a small sensor compact. The X10 is great, no doubt. I've shot

thousands of X10 images. These look better than they X10 IQ. Deep blacks, and high saturation

without looking cartoonish. That's what I'm seeing.

Anyway, if you haven't downloaded them and open them full-screen, I would suggest doing so. But honestly I'm shocked that almost every comment is negative about such beautiful images. Absolutely shocked. Oh well...A guess some people are seeing what they want to see.

And the ISO 800 nighttime image (the last one) looks extremely clean, yet sharp and saturated.

Anyway, I'm much more excited after having seen these about receiving my X20 next week.

By the way, the ISO 100 alone is going to mean better DR and and likely cleaner files at base ISO than the X10. So landscape photographers get ready.

Anyway, finally some samples and for JPEGs I'm delighted. I would have like to see one blue sky daylight landscape image (the hazy river shot is not an ideal scene for a sample). Since there are only seven images, I'm guessing that like the X10's Sample Gallery, this one will be expanded soon.

Overall I'm thrilled with these, especially with the close-ups (tulips, oranges, and girl with notebook). These look superb.

Yes, my mini-XE1 is hopefully on the way soon (as long as B&H comes through for me).

Thanks so much to Robert Garcia NYC for the heads up on the samples.

All the best, Markus

 

[Rachotilko]

This is irony right ?

So let's talk oranges then, in case it is not. As you can see here, surface of the orange fruit is not smooth, it is bumpy. The oranges on the X20 samples are so much affected by NR that they look as smooth as eggs.

 

[theranman]

All I can say is THANK GOD my middle aged vision ain't what it used to be, 'cause those samples look pretty darned good to me. No major criticisms. I'll leave it to you youngins to nitpick.

 

[Robert Garcia NYC]

I have noticed fuji doesn't sharpen images much, which i like. It gives it a more of a film look but you can up the sharpening in camera or in post i know for sure. I own a RX100 its images are soft by default so I bump it up +1 for sharpening jpegs, which helps.

Just tried it on the oranges a tiny bit of unsharp in cs6 photoshop is all it needs. I just hate the whole raw thing I hate to change my workflow but would like to purchase my first Fuji. Decisions, decisions.

 

[ryder78]

It appears that you have regarded my remark about smartphones producing better results than the samples on the Fuji site as facetious. Let me clarify. My comment is based on the two images which I have posted on the other thread. Please let me know what you think about those two images, and whether my comment still apply, since you didn't comment on those images.

I did enlarge and view the photos of the tulips and oranges earlier though I do not have much interest in these shots. Personally I don't see anything special about these images as I rarely take these shots.

marike6 wrote:

I'm not sure what people are seeing, or if they are not realizing that these are OOC JPEGs but these samples look great. We should wait to see the RAWs, but for JPEGs they look wonderful.

The colors and DR range are outstanding easily better than the X10. These two look like they could have come from my X-Pro1, so you'll excuse me if I laughing a little at people with the "my smartphone can take these" comments.

The Tulips below, look at the colors, sharpness, and bokeh. Compacts don't excel at making

images that look like they came from a DSLR or ILC, but the tulip image looks like it came from the

X100 or D7000.

So you'll have to excuse me if I chuckle a little at those claiming to be disappointed by these X20

samples. Either you didn't download them, and look at them full-screen on your computers or you

are simply expecting too much from a small sensor compact. The X10 is great, no doubt. I've shot

thousands of X10 images. These look better than they X10 IQ. Deep blacks, and high saturation

without looking cartoonish. That's what I'm seeing.

Anyway, if you haven't downloaded them and open them full-screen, I would suggest doing so. But honestly I'm shocked that almost every comment is negative about such beautiful images. Absolutely shocked. Oh well...A guess some people are seeing what they want to see.

And the ISO 800 nighttime image (the last one) looks extremely clean, yet sharp and saturated.

Anyway, I'm much more excited after having seen these about receiving my X20 next week.

By the way, the ISO 100 alone is going to mean better DR and and likely cleaner files at base ISO than the X10. So landscape photographers get ready.

Anyway, finally some samples and for JPEGs I'm delighted. I would have like to see one blue sky daylight landscape image (the hazy river shot is not an ideal scene for a sample). Since there are only seven images, I'm guessing that like the X10's Sample Gallery, this one will be expanded soon.

Overall I'm thrilled with these, especially with the close-ups (tulips, oranges, and girl with notebook). These look superb.

Yes, my mini-XE1 is hopefully on the way soon (as long as B&H comes through for me).

Thanks so much to Robert Garcia NYC for the heads up on the samples.

All the best, Markus

 

[marike6]

theranman wrote:

All I can say is THANK GOD my middle aged vision ain't what it used to be, 'cause those samples look pretty darned good to me. No major criticisms. I'll leave it to you youngins to nitpick.

Totally agree. The samples look beautiful.

I'm not a JPEG shooter, so I never worry about NR, but detail is NOT being smoothed away in the oranges. They are blood oranges, that's what they look like.

If they didn't like the samples, I would have cancelled my order already. Fortunately even though they are only seven JPEGs, I'm extremely pleased with the colors, low noise, and sharpness.

If people what to convince themselves that the X10 has better IQ than the X20 so they feel better about not upgrading, that's fine. I totally get it. But to claim that these samples look like they were taken with a smartphone is ludicrous.

Love the Fuji colors, love the X10 and will love the X20 even more.

 

[JJJRRR768]

ryder78 wrote:

Joel Stern wrote:

ryder78 wrote:

I cannot believe these images were taken by the X20. Some of the better smartphones are capable of this quality. As a matter of fact, I am quite confident the Nokia Pureview 808 is capable of better results than this, and I'm not exaggerating.

Use your Nokia then and be happy.

Don't get me wrong. I want the X20 to show better results than the images shown in the Fuji Japan site(and the Nokia) since this one is in my shortlist.

Do you have anything to add on the IQ of the X20, posting something more useful rather than commenting about using my Nokia and be happy?

Well I have read a bunch of your posts even before these full sized ones came out where you praised your cell phone's camera over the X20, so I just thought maybe that was your choice as you seem to really like it.

I too want the X20 to be great but I won't rely on the Fuji sites samples, 6 pics, not enough to make a decision with and we don't know anything about how they were taken. Are they RAW, JPEG, are they a certain type of setting. For me it is a wait and see, too early to guess, the real proof will be when this camera is in the hands of forums users that are talented photographers and then we will see what this camera can do. Everyone complained about Fuji's X10 and X100 posted shots as well so whey would we look at these for the X20 and expect anything better. I am sure we will see better or many of us will not be buying the 20, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised. Maybe we will all run out and get X10's before they are gone, hard to say at this point in time.

when I first looked at the samples I was pleased, but I am not a professional and not looking for perfection, I feel that these images are very nice. So we all look for different things.

 

[JJJRRR768]

Rachotilko wrote:

This is irony right ?

So let's talk oranges then, in case it is not. As you can see here, surface of the orange fruit is not smooth, it is bumpy. The oranges on the X20 samples are so much affected by NR that they look as smooth as eggs.

So for whatever reason Fuji is posting pics with heavy NR..ok, I always turn my NR off or to the lowest anyway. I bet in the hands of forum members we will see pics that are very pleasing to most of us. I bet Fuji posts what they think the majority of people want to see. How many people that buy cameras are posting on DPR, a minority for sure. Or Pixel Peeping, again a minority.