Do you think Nikon could challenge the X system with something like this (pix)?

yes I heard about it will be launched 1st of April FF with the sensor of the D800 IS inside (sensor) 10 pic/sec, hybrid AF 52 sensors for tracking, dual CF SD slot acrd etc...

Will sale quicly my Fuji gear




;-)
 
Comes with a free oil dispenser since the new model has no mirror To spill the oil through the camera body and all over the sensor. ;)

Other than that, after the 1, I have no faith in Nikon working on a photography tool for enthusiast photographers.
 
Too little, too late. The last Nikon I purchased was a D300, two of them, in 2008. I sold one in the summer of 2011 waiting for a D400 but they simply didn't care about a flagship APS body and just keep upgrading the 3000 and 5000 line year after year with more and more pixels.... Anyway, gave up on Nikon and I made my move and love my fuji. I see Nikon now as a company that wants to make its mark by having more pixels than everyone else, 14mp om tiny sensors, 24mp on aps sensors, and 36mp on full frame. If a D400 was released i wouldnt be surprised to see it at 26 mp. I want quality and quantity, higher DR, ISO.... To that end my fuji fits my needs. My only gripe is that adobe and apple snubs the new sensor.
 
In fact I think the prognosis for Nikon and Canon is probably not so good

They think that feeding more and more features in DSLRs is the main stream

But times have changed, technology ha sdevelopped and people have changed

I have a friend who bought abrand new D800 because ha probably has 15 Nikon lenses

he also bought a quite comprehensive Oly OMD5 gear

Guess what ?

He lives in a developing country

The Oly revealled to be much adapted and he gets a lot of fantastic shots with it while the D800 gets dust on the shelf..

I still have my complete Canon gear waiting for either a very innovative hybrid DSLR or a high end mirrorless using standard EF lenses
 
Al Valentino wrote:

Too little, too late. The last Nikon I purchased was a D300, two of them, in 2008. I sold one in the summer of 2011 waiting for a D400 but they simply didn't care about a flagship APS body and just keep upgrading the 3000 and 5000 line year after year with more and more pixels.... Anyway, gave up on Nikon and I made my move and love my fuji....
Same here. I gave up on Nikon too. No love lost...



Best wishes,

Richard
 
baobob wrote:

In fact I think the prognosis for Nikon and Canon is probably not so good

They think that feeding more and more features in DSLRs is the main stream

But times have changed, technology ha sdevelopped and people have changed

I have a friend who bought abrand new D800 because ha probably has 15 Nikon lenses

he also bought a quite comprehensive Oly OMD5 gear

Guess what ?

He lives in a developing country

The Oly revealled to be much adapted and he gets a lot of fantastic shots with it while the D800 gets dust on the shelf..

I still have my complete Canon gear waiting for either a very innovative hybrid DSLR or a high end mirrorless using standard EF lenses
 
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EricWN wrote:

Other than that, after the 1, I have no faith in Nikon working on a photography tool for enthusiast photographers.
The Nikon 1 is an amazing piece of kit. It complements an existing kit and fills a very specific need, and does so better than anything else available.
 
after releasing the J1, Nikon lost all credibility in the world.
 
Zardoz wrote:
EricWN wrote:

Other than that, after the 1, I have no faith in Nikon working on a photography tool for enthusiast photographers.
The Nikon 1 is an amazing piece of kit. It complements an existing kit and fills a very specific need, and does so better than anything else available.
When is the last time you had yourself assessed?
 
Zardoz wrote:
EricWN wrote:

Other than that, after the 1, I have no faith in Nikon working on a photography tool for enthusiast photographers.
The Nikon 1 is an amazing piece of kit. It complements an existing kit and fills a very specific need, and does so better than anything else available.
Zardoz a Nikon shill???? Now we get it :-D

Seriously, though, the Nikon 1 is only the best-selling mirrorless camera in Japan, so they must have done something right.
 
Davidgilmour wrote:

after releasing the J1, Nikon lost all credibility in the world.
Because the J1 is for serious photographers? /sarcasm

I think the issue is a certain group of people were hoping for an advanced mirrorless system from Nikon initially, and got the J1/V1 instead.

I think both Nikon and Canon might have missed the mirrorless boat. Just look at the popularity of Canon adapters on the NEX system. I think it is not too late for them, but people have already started hitting other brands and there is risk there for them to lose a lot of market share to other companies (not today or tomorrow, but two or three years from now).

Eric
 
mike kobal wrote:

Nikon is about to announce a high mirrorless camera.....
Now THAT is what I call 'classic rangefinder styling' - the ghost of Nikon's fantastic SP.

nikon-2p.jpg







one can always dream....;)

curious to hear your thoughts on this

cheers,

--
mike kobal
photography (hand's on gear reviews on my blog)
www.mikekobal.com/blog



--
You don't TAKE a photo, you MAKE a photo.
 
Hi,

FF mirror-less is a gap in the market (if you discount the RF Leica system). Someone is going to do a reasonably affordable digital FF & AF system sooner or later. When it happens it would immediately threaten Fuji's premium APSC X series. Given that Fuji don't make anything else in APSC, I think we can allow that they would respond and would be planning to do so quickly.

My guess is that the first mirror-less challenge to Fuji is actually likely to be Sony - the much rumored FF NEX9 or whatever they may decide to call it. They've released the RX1 fixed lens camera. They've said publicly that they're considering an FF NEX, but that the constraint is not the technology, but the need for a suite of matched high grade lenses - they haven't got them. Yet.


Other challengers.......??
  • Canon? They're often said to be so steeped in their DSLR business that they won't bring out anything that competes with it. They are bringing out version two of their APSC EOS M later this year. That won't be FF, and I doubt it will challenge Fuji's sector of the APSC mirror-less market. It would have to be a major improvement on the first version to advance their cause. If they stick with a touch screen UI it will offer a very different experience from the classic ergonomics of the X series. And Canon would need to offer a decent extension of their native M lens range. My guess is that it will appeal to a different set of mirror-less buyers. (If the camera is good, it might 'steal' some X series owners who are also Canon L glass owners.)
  • Nikon? They're concentrating like Canon on their existing systems. No hints toward mirror-less with larger than 1" sensors at this point in time. But who knows? If they did head in that direction, they have the advantage of a huge range of legacy F mount glass.
  • Olympus? A full frame OMD? Olympus and Panasonic have sold themselves on small form factor, and neither has the lenses now.
  • Pentax Ricoh? Ricoh's history is somewhat quirky, but includes surprise small high grade cameras. They have said they are bringing out a new Ricoh mirror-less in 2013 - the details are unknown. And Pentax's APSC K-mount K01, their first cut at mirror-less, has ceased production. No-one knows if they'll have another go. They haven't got short registration lenses, but they do have experience making them. If they released the right camera with a set of matched lenses (plus the huge range of current FF and legacy FF lenses in K mount) they could do well.
  • And finally.........why not Fuji themselves? There's nothing stopping them from being the first to offer a FF mirror-less. I'm reading that the X series sales are doing well for them. Why not offer a premium FF model? Get there first and corner the market with both formats? Take the challenge TO Sony? They're innovative, dedicated to good photography, and experienced at offering niche pro-grade products. They make their own sensors. They already have the technology and a winning formula that they could scale up.
I'll go out on limb........I'm betting we'll see an FF mirror-less system from one of these players within two years.


Food for thought.

Cheers, Rod
 
94 wrote:
nixda wrote:
Seriously, though, the Nikon 1 is only the best-selling mirrorless camera in Japan, so they must have done something right.
In a market filled with happy snapshot tourists Nikon would excel, you say?
Yes. There are those who value a state-of-the-art device, be it a tool, a camera, a car, a fountain pen, etc. And then there are those who can live with lower grade stuff. The ratio is probably 1:99 or even much worse. Companies mostly produce what sells, not what is possibly the best technical solution. Nikon knows how to make cameras, but they also know that they need to be profitable. A company that large can't really cater to a minority.
 
Rod McD wrote:

Hi,

FF mirror-less is a gap in the market (if you discount the RF Leica system). Someone is going to do a reasonably affordable digital FF & AF system sooner or later. When it happens it would immediately threaten Fuji's premium APSC X series. Given that Fuji don't make anything else in APSC, I think we can allow that they would respond and would be planning to do so quickly.

My guess is that the first mirror-less challenge to Fuji is actually likely to be Sony - the much rumored FF NEX9 or whatever they may decide to call it. They've released the RX1 fixed lens camera. They've said publicly that they're considering an FF NEX, but that the constraint is not the technology, but the need for a suite of matched high grade lenses - they haven't got them. Yet.

Other challengers.......??
  • Canon? They're often said to be so steeped in their DSLR business that they won't bring out anything that competes with it. They are bringing out version two of their APSC EOS M later this year. That won't be FF, and I doubt it will challenge Fuji's sector of the APSC mirror-less market. It would have to be a major improvement on the first version to advance their cause. If they stick with a touch screen UI it will offer a very different experience from the classic ergonomics of the X series. And Canon would need to offer a decent extension of their native M lens range. My guess is that it will appeal to a different set of mirror-less buyers. (If the camera is good, it might 'steal' some X series owners who are also Canon L glass owners.)
  • Nikon? They're concentrating like Canon on their existing systems. No hints toward mirror-less with larger than 1" sensors at this point in time. But who knows? If they did head in that direction, they have the advantage of a huge range of legacy F mount glass.
  • Olympus? A full frame OMD? Olympus and Panasonic have sold themselves on small form factor, and neither has the lenses now.
  • Pentax Ricoh? Ricoh's history is somewhat quirky, but includes surprise small high grade cameras. They have said they are bringing out a new Ricoh mirror-less in 2013 - the details are unknown. And Pentax's APSC K-mount K01, their first cut at mirror-less, has ceased production. No-one knows if they'll have another go. They haven't got short registration lenses, but they do have experience making them. If they released the right camera with a set of matched lenses (plus the huge range of current FF and legacy FF lenses in K mount) they could do well.
  • And finally.........why not Fuji themselves? There's nothing stopping them from being the first to offer a FF mirror-less. I'm reading that the X series sales are doing well for them. Why not offer a premium FF model? Get there first and corner the market with both formats? Take the challenge TO Sony? They're innovative, dedicated to good photography, and experienced at offering niche pro-grade products. They make their own sensors. They already have the technology and a winning formula that they could scale up.
I'll go out on limb........I'm betting we'll see an FF mirror-less system from one of these players within two years.

Food for thought.

Cheers, Rod
A Pentax/Ricoh FF mirrorless would have me drooling. Like Fuji, Ricoh build cameras that photographers like to use. Pentax has produced some of the best (value and feature-wise cameras APS-C cameras around). And Pentax has those lovely primes....

I also expect Sony will be first (or one of the first) to the market
 
I prefer the 'concept' image floating around of an X100 with a Voigtlander lens simply glued on the front .... total lack of imagination .... :-D
 

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