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I believe you can carry unconcealed in Colorado.

The "two counties" was never a legal definition that you could count on. It was used a few times, I believe, and therefore could be used as a precedent.

I'd much rather depend on a clear law than legal precedent.
The Texan said:
Texas law is clear. You are allowed to carry in normal use (going
to a shooting range) or when you are on a "trip". This has been
defined as any time you cross two counties.

I was driving in Colorado and I was pulled over for speeding. As
the policeman was talking to me I realized my 9mm was sitting just
below my left elbow on the ceter console. Pucker factor high. I put
both hands on the steering wheel (which I always do anyway just so
they don't have to worry for their lives on this particular routine
stop) said "officer, I will do this exactly how you want me to and
I don't want to alarm you, but if you look under my right arm, you
will see that I have a gun with me tonight." He looked at me and
said, "thanks for letting me know. Could I see your license and
registration?" Taking my wallet out of my pocket had my hand just a
couple of inches from the gun. He watched me pretty closely, but
didn't seem overly concerned. When he said "I'll go check on you
license and registration" I asked if he wanted me to put the gun on
the roof while he was gone and he said that wouldn't be necessary
"but please don't reach for it until after you've driven away."

I told him my understanding of the laws in Texas and asked how I
should have handled it. He said there was no law against carrying a
weapon for self-defense on a trip and that I handled it the way he
wished everybody would.

No hassle for the gun and he let me go with a warning for speeding.
Awefully nice considering I was going about 20 MPH too fast!
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Every one of my kids have pulled the trigger (while I was holding the gun) that ripped a watermelon apart. I have great confidence that my kids will never invite their friends over to look at my guns.

Taking a little time to talk about consequences makes all the difference in the world.
DavidP said:
And the reason kids are shot these days with guns of a parent is
because they aren't training their kids with firearm safety. Why?
They've been led to believe that this would be wrong, IMO.

Intersetingly enough, schools want to teach your kids about "Safe
Sex", but not about "Safe Firearms". They'll give your kids a
condom, but not teach him how to tell if a gun is loaded, and how
to disarm it should that ever be requried.

Kids think that people die easily and quickly. That's what it's
like on TV. And the good guys never die, they just come back for
the next episode.

They should be shown what a pistol does to a watermelon. A little
first-hand experience is quite sobering.

They could even be shown what shooting vicitms look like, if they
really wanted to bring home the point.
Malcolm said:
there are 100 times as many stories about 10 year olds blowing away
his friend Timmy when he got hold of daddy's gun and was playing
around. If you actually looked at the real statistics, you'd get
rid of your handguns now. However, I think paranoia (and
irrational fear) are the overwhelming factors here. I mourn every
day.
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The little flash on the S400 isn't the way to go about it, that's for sure.

A couple of Alien Bees with big soft-boxes would probably do a much nicer job.

Or just take the durned thing outside!
Robert D. McGee said:
I photograph guns. I have found it an extremely difficult job to do
well. However, it can be done, and done well without a lot of
expense. If you genuinely wish, we could open a discussion on this.

http://www.pbase.com/dale53/classic_rifle

Dale53
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Sorry if it confusing.

I wanted to make the point that this guy had taken opinion and stated it as fact.

I got statistics from websites with their links. As for the intimate thing that is a quote from that page.

What to take from this is there are only 247 accidental deaths in under the age 21 with 67 of those being children according to the CDC. Hardly the hundreds he claimed. I then found information about rapes per year, in 2001 there were close to 600,000 if even 1 in a thousand was fatal, then there were a lot more that fit into the catergory mentioned earlier. Essentially nullifying Malcolms argument.

Sorry for being confusing!

As for you last question I cannot answer that, I have not found enough information yet!
 
I can see the day coming when doing that will be considered "child abuse".
The Texan said:
Every one of my kids have pulled the trigger (while I was holding
the gun) that ripped a watermelon apart. I have great confidence
that my kids will never invite their friends over to look at my
guns.

Taking a little time to talk about consequences makes all the
difference in the world.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
Here we go....I hate getting involved in these threads but this is too much....

That's because 10 year old's daddy was irresponsible and left the gun in 10 year olds reach.

Also because 10 year old's daddy didn't properly teach 10 year old proper respect for the firearm. When I was 10....dear old dad took me into the woods with his 12 gauge and unloaded a round into a dead tree stump. You can bet your ass after seeing what happened to that tree stump at close range I had proper respect for a firearm

I used to own a pistol...but when my daughter was born I got rid of it. BECAUSE...if I'm gonna have a pistol within reach...there's too much of a risk of her getting ahold of it...you can't watch over a childs shoulder 100% of the time so if you want to own firearms and have children...there's double responsibility involved. But guess what...I have 2 dogs that bark like hell at anything. If someone decides to invade my home with ill intentions....there's a 12 gauge 2 steps from my bed....locked SAFELY in a gun cabinet. In case of emergency, break glass. The dogs barking buy me the time to take those two steps.

It breaks my heart when I hear those stories too...but you can't blame guns for an irresponsible parent. In such cases the parents who left the gun within a small childs reach should be punished.
Malcolm said:
there are 100 times as many stories about 10 year olds blowing away
his friend Timmy when he got hold of daddy's gun and was playing
around. If you actually looked at the real statistics, you'd get
rid of your handguns now. However, I think paranoia (and
irrational fear) are the overwhelming factors here. I mourn every
day.
Malcolm
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Doug Hanks said:
OK - that's fine -- 247 is a far cry from 12,000 or whatever that
other guy posted before us.
Ragnar Danneskjold said:
Here are some statistics: "In 2001, women experienced an estimated
588,490 ****, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault and
simple assault victimizations at the hands of an intimate, down
from 1.1 million in 1993" from
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm#violent
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At the hands of an intimate? You mean inmate? Errr, maybe I'm not
following here.

588,000? Aggravated assault and "simple assault?" Does this
include when she said "yes," but then said "no" later?
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These states are based on women who were assulated by, current and former spouses, boyfriends and girlfriends. Not strangers.

I'd guess this also includes the yes/no scenario, grope and runs etc.

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Walter P99 in .40 S&W



M1 Garand Korean war vintage



Ruger 10-22 target



FAL (yes, it conforms)


DavidP said:


The Seecamp .32 ACP

Like an S400, it can be with you at all times. Ready to shoot
when you need it.

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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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DavidRoy
 
Robert D. McGee said:
I photograph guns. I have found it an extremely difficult job to do
well. However, it can be done, and done well without a lot of
expense. If you genuinely wish, we could open a discussion on this.

http://www.pbase.com/dale53/classic_rifle

Dale53
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Dale:

You are correct. Shiny objects are tricky to shoot. But... I was not referring to that when I said that it was front-focused... That's an inside joke - David knows.

John
 
If a family loses its own child to a firearms accident, I have to think that they've already paid an extremely harsh punishment . . . the child's death.

We don't normally prosecute a family member if the child drowns in a pool, or gets into rat poison and dies, or is run over because the chlild wasn't seen as the parent was backing down a driveway. (I happen to know a family that happened to almost 20 years ago).

Accidents happen. Almost all are preventable. The fitting punishment is civil, if it happens to another person's child. When it happens to one's own child, I think the punishmen thas already been meted out.
John Mankos said:
It breaks my heart when I hear those stories too...but you can't
blame guns for an irresponsible parent. In such cases the parents
who left the gun within a small childs reach should be punished.
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
All of this was before CCW was available in Texas. All of this is a moot point now that I carry the card. You are correct about colorado, but a loaded gun would make me a whole lot more nervous than it seemed to make that cop!

"two counties" was and is about as clear as they are willing to get on that statute. Flexibility is important in the prosecution of carry laws.
DavidP said:
The "two counties" was never a legal definition that you could
count on. It was used a few times, I believe, and therefore could
be used as a precedent.

I'd much rather depend on a clear law than legal precedent.
The Texan said:
Texas law is clear. You are allowed to carry in normal use (going
to a shooting range) or when you are on a "trip". This has been
defined as any time you cross two counties.

I was driving in Colorado and I was pulled over for speeding. As
the policeman was talking to me I realized my 9mm was sitting just
below my left elbow on the ceter console. Pucker factor high. I put
both hands on the steering wheel (which I always do anyway just so
they don't have to worry for their lives on this particular routine
stop) said "officer, I will do this exactly how you want me to and
I don't want to alarm you, but if you look under my right arm, you
will see that I have a gun with me tonight." He looked at me and
said, "thanks for letting me know. Could I see your license and
registration?" Taking my wallet out of my pocket had my hand just a
couple of inches from the gun. He watched me pretty closely, but
didn't seem overly concerned. When he said "I'll go check on you
license and registration" I asked if he wanted me to put the gun on
the roof while he was gone and he said that wouldn't be necessary
"but please don't reach for it until after you've driven away."

I told him my understanding of the laws in Texas and asked how I
should have handled it. He said there was no law against carrying a
weapon for self-defense on a trip and that I handled it the way he
wished everybody would.

No hassle for the gun and he let me go with a warning for speeding.
Awefully nice considering I was going about 20 MPH too fast!
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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As you suggest, the most cost effective way to do it is open shade. However, to get proper detail from shiny gun parts such as your pistol, the angle between the gun and the camera can be super critical. This can be a bit tough with long guns. I just recently made my first magazine cover. I had an assistant holding the barrel of the rifle, rotating it VERY slowly as I looked thru the view finder. I had my wife holding a piece of translucent plastic (corrugated plastic) between the sun and the rifle. I also had my laptop set up and popped the card and looked at the images as we went to make sure that I had it. I only had a few hours with the rifle and it was 150 miles away from my home. It was a one shot deal.

The easiest way to shoot the pistol would be in a light tent.

Dale53
 
You have a point...but I was responding to his comment about a "10 year old blows away his friend Timmy"....not a family member.

Obviously accidents happen. However owning guns in this country is a right. With rights come responsibilities. When you own a gun you have a responsibility to ensure that the gun is used for it's intended purposes...such as:

Defending ones' country
Killing tasty animals for dinner
Shooting some ignorant b@stard that breaks into your home with ill intentions
Destroying harmless clay saucers for pure fun.
Filling paper targets full of holes.
(did I leave any out?)

One of those intended purposes...however...is NOT to let it lay around so little Joey can play cowboys and indians with his friends....which is the point I was trying to make.
DavidP said:
We don't normally prosecute a family member if the child drowns in
a pool, or gets into rat poison and dies, or is run over because
the chlild wasn't seen as the parent was backing down a driveway.
(I happen to know a family that happened to almost 20 years ago).

Accidents happen. Almost all are preventable. The fitting
punishment is civil, if it happens to another person's child.
When it happens to one's own child, I think the punishmen thas
already been meted out.
John Mankos said:
It breaks my heart when I hear those stories too...but you can't
blame guns for an irresponsible parent. In such cases the parents
who left the gun within a small childs reach should be punished.
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
--
John
http://www.pbase.com/mankman
Canon EOS 10D

Equipment list in profile...subject to change on a daily basis ;^)

Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together

 
So say siome of the liberal gun haters.

They say that we have guns to prove our masculinity and such.

Considering how many of us on this forum who also have firearms could there be some correlation assocated with camera equipment as well?

Does using a prime lens imply something about your manliness?

How about a zoom?

And I fell sorry for the macro fanatics.

all of this is in gest of course!
DavidP said:


The Seecamp .32 ACP

Like an S400, it can be with you at all times. Ready to shoot
when you need it.

--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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As I alluded to, we don't prosecute (criminally) parents (at least not normally) if a neighbor child drowns in their pool.

We can't lock up EVERY thing a child can get into trouble with in our houses. Any more than we can make it impossible for a child to get into our pool and drown.

Before any kind of CRIMINAL lawsuit could be pursued, I think there shoudl be reasonable expectation of proving (beyond reasonsable doubt) to a jury that there was GROSS negligence involved. Keeping a gun hidden in a dresser drawer, IMO, shouldn't constitute gross negligence. That's not the same thing as leaving it in plain sight.

I don't want the gov't prescribing what is a proper kind of storage for a firearm. Why? Because eventually, it will become more and more ridiculous, and eventually to the point where the only place "secure enough" is at a private gun club.
John Mankos said:
You have a point...but I was responding to his comment about a "10
year old blows away his friend Timmy"....not a family member.

Obviously accidents happen. However owning guns in this country is
a right. With rights come responsibilities. When you own a gun
you have a responsibility to ensure that the gun is used for it's
intended purposes...such as:

Defending ones' country
Killing tasty animals for dinner
Shooting some ignorant b@stard that breaks into your home with ill
intentions
Destroying harmless clay saucers for pure fun.
Filling paper targets full of holes.
(did I leave any out?)

One of those intended purposes...however...is NOT to let it lay
around so little Joey can play cowboys and indians with his
friends....which is the point I was trying to make.
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--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
What makes you think I'm compensating for anyting?



;)
Scott Olds said:
So say siome of the liberal gun haters.

They say that we have guns to prove our masculinity and such.

Considering how many of us on this forum who also have firearms
could there be some correlation assocated with camera equipment as
well?

Does using a prime lens imply something about your manliness?

How about a zoom?

And I fell sorry for the macro fanatics.

all of this is in gest of course!
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
You have got to be kidding me...do you really believe that?
Doug Hanks said:
Malcolm said:
there are 100 times as many stories about 10 year olds blowing away
his friend Timmy when he got hold of daddy's gun and was playing
around. If you actually looked at the real statistics, you'd get
rid of your handguns now. However, I think paranoia (and
irrational fear) are the overwhelming factors here. I mourn every
day.
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You should mourn everyday. You actually believe what you read
without your own interpretion. Don't take my word for it though.

"Little Timmy" is in a category of "children" that range from age
of 1 through 25 years old. These aren't babies being killed, these
are teenagers that are involved in drugs and gangs. A gang related
shootings because of territorial conflicts - well gee, the victim
was under 25 years old, and the other gang must have been his
friend, so we will report it as a "friend/family child fatality!!"
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who makes it and is that engraving on it? What kind of groups do you get with it?
DavidP said:


All tricked out. LOL. And yes, that's a ported barrel.

About a grand or so like you see there.

A true joy to shoot off-hand.

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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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--
DavidRoy
 
John Mankos said:
Defending ones' country
Killing tasty animals for dinner
Shooting some ignorant b@stard that breaks into your home with ill
intentions
Destroying harmless clay saucers for pure fun.
Filling paper targets full of holes.
(did I leave any out?)
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Don't forget to shoot the b@stards that rob banks, mini-marts and other facilities if you see them getting away without resistance.

Next day a criminal reads the newspaper where local citizens shoot thieves on-site, "no way in hell" he thinks to himself and doesn't even attempt anything in that town.
 
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