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Rather be tried by 12 then buried by 6
DavidP said:
Suffice it to say, I decided it was better to go ahead and get a
CCW than to risk having a legal decision go the wrong way against
me. Or to go bankrupt proving my innocence.

Even though I think a CCW shouldn't be required.
Scott Olds said:
otherwise known as the middle of nowhere. My 9mm was NOT concealed
and in fact was in the middle of the floorboard where it could be
seen. I used to commute every weekend between San Antonio and
Amarillo and drove some really remote roads. Surprisingly on one
of these really remote roads there was a drug checkpoint and I
somehow fit their profile (despite my Air Force uniform in the
trunk and my military sticker on the window) and they suspected me
to be a drug runner.

As soon as they pulled me over, I told them that I had a weapon in
the car and I then hear "GUN!!!" and more cops than I had seen in
my life surrounded me. It was quite the experience to someone who
was totally innocent of any crime.
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Some people put themselves in harms way by coming into the home of an armed homeowner. What SHOULD we do? Use harsh language? Enroll the intruder in sensitivity training? Give him an extra govt. check so he doesn't need to rob?

We kill people during war.
We kill people via execution.
We kill people via the police.
And we kill people trying to kill us.

All of it justified and all of it necessary.

It ain't wonderful, it's a fact of life. Some people just won't stop until someone does kill them.

I'm all for preventing criminals from killing people. And I'm all for keeping a firearm handy just for that purpose. To keep them from killing me and mine.

Ted
Malcolm said:
to kill people.
How wonderful.
Malcolm
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Doubt that!

Here are some real statistics from doctors against hand guns http://www.doctorsagainsthandguninjury.org/docs/PreventingInjuryDeath.pdf

They claim the statistics are from the CDC but I yet been able to validate their claims.

In 1999, there were 247 accidental deaths from handguns involving people under the age of 21. In the same year 67 children under 13 died accidently.

I'd imagine many more women fall into the category described in previous posts per year than accidental deaths for children. As for these deaths I guarentee all were preventable with certain precations unlike the assualts.

Here are some statistics: "In 2001, women experienced an estimated 588,490 ****, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault and simple assault victimizations at the hands of an intimate, down from 1.1 million in 1993" from http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm#violent

I make this point, in a request to not make opinions as fact. The statistics do not agree with your opinion.

Also, davidp from a previous thread you mentioned some percentages I believe they are closer to 13% and 80% of jail occupancy! Not promising numbers by any stretch of the imagination.

Alright this ends this arguement here for me. Lets get back to photography, like what ercentage of 10D's have focus problems
 
Way too many kids don't understand just how dangerous guns are and how to handle them safely.

To show my kids how powerful they are I am planning on taking them out to my gun club and then shoot a cantelope with a 12ga. After slaughtering the cantelope with the 12ga comes the time honored statement "Imagine that was your best friend's head" This is then the lead in to the more serious and detailed discussion about gun safety.

RESPONSIBLE ownership is also mandatory on all parents part though. The talk is not enough. Parents HAVE to be responsible as well.
DavidP said:
But an eight-year old child should KNOW what a gun is capable of
doing, especially if his parent is going to keep one in the house.

By that age I had seen guns around the house, knew what it was like
to see/hear one being shot, and knew enough to respect them.

By age 10 I knew where my dad kept his loaded .45 . . . and I knew
enough not to let others anywhere near it.

My dad's room was "off limits" if I had friends over. Actually, I
couldn't have friends over at that age unless my parents were home,
anyway.

By the time I knew where he kept the pistol, I could shoot a
pistol, and knew how to unload/load that pistol, as well.
Doug Hanks said:
There are some very sad stories about 5 year olds or 8 year olds
getting ahold of daddy's gun and killing his brother. These
stories are very real, but very rare. In these instances it is
always the parent's fault. Leaving anything dangerous in the house
is a no-no. Leave a gun in the bedroom drawer? Bad. Leave a
butcher's knife on the edge of a counter? Bad.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
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Malcolm said:
there are 100 times as many stories about 10 year olds blowing away
his friend Timmy when he got hold of daddy's gun and was playing
around. If you actually looked at the real statistics, you'd get
rid of your handguns now. However, I think paranoia (and
irrational fear) are the overwhelming factors here. I mourn every
day.
Malcolm
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Will Rogers



http://svphoto.us My Website
 
Nice bedside table gun. I've already heard at least two stories where a would-be bad-guy was foiled trying to use the vicitim's own gun against him because he couldn't figure out the mechanism. LOL.

That's a good question for the lighting forum. I think you'd need a HUGE softbox, and probably a polarizer on the camera.

--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
He's the comedian that's famous for "you might be a redneck if...."

I heard on a tape of his show a skit about how to tell where a gun "lives" and why you don't mess with that house...
Ted Backherms said:
We kill people during war.
We kill people via execution.
We kill people via the police.
And we kill people trying to kill us.

All of it justified and all of it necessary.

It ain't wonderful, it's a fact of life. Some people just won't
stop until someone does kill them.

I'm all for preventing criminals from killing people. And I'm all
for keeping a firearm handy just for that purpose. To keep them
from killing me and mine.

Ted
Malcolm said:
to kill people.
How wonderful.
Malcolm
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--
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a
rock.
Will Rogers



http://svphoto.us My Website
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And just where did you find those "real" statistics, and who generated them. Ever heard the saying "liars figure and figures lie." No where is that more applicable than with firearms. If you were privy to real statistics, you would own a handgun. Better yet, it only takes face to face contact with a criminal once to realize the benefit of a CCW, a Sig P232, and a lot of hours of training. But of course they don't want that statistic figured in, it would blow their "guns are bad" argument all to hell, since I didn't have to shoot him and the police picked him up a week later based in part on sketches from me and the guy an hour later without a gun who got the cr*p beat out of him.
Malcolm said:
there are 100 times as many stories about 10 year olds blowing away
his friend Timmy when he got hold of daddy's gun and was playing
around. If you actually looked at the real statistics, you'd get
rid of your handguns now. However, I think paranoia (and
irrational fear) are the overwhelming factors here. I mourn every
day.
Malcolm
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in Tx used to be that if you were "traveling" you could carry in the vehicle as long as it WASN'T concealed, thus I had it in the floorboard but this was before the days of the CCW in TX.
DavidP said:
Suffice it to say, I decided it was better to go ahead and get a
CCW than to risk having a legal decision go the wrong way against
me. Or to go bankrupt proving my innocence.

Even though I think a CCW shouldn't be required.
Scott Olds said:
otherwise known as the middle of nowhere. My 9mm was NOT concealed
and in fact was in the middle of the floorboard where it could be
seen. I used to commute every weekend between San Antonio and
Amarillo and drove some really remote roads. Surprisingly on one
of these really remote roads there was a drug checkpoint and I
somehow fit their profile (despite my Air Force uniform in the
trunk and my military sticker on the window) and they suspected me
to be a drug runner.

As soon as they pulled me over, I told them that I had a weapon in
the car and I then hear "GUN!!!" and more cops than I had seen in
my life surrounded me. It was quite the experience to someone who
was totally innocent of any crime.
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
 
Malcolm said:
to kill people.
How wonderful.
Malcolm
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Your posting is a no knee-jerk, gun grabbers response. You put no original thought into it at all. By your criteria a sports car is only meant to break the law, a pool is only meant to drowned babies, and photographic equipment is only meant to voyeuristically spy on your neighbors or to be used by terrorist to gather intelligence in order to kill people.

Simply put, a handgun (any gun) is a tool, and it can be used for good or bad, but that is up to the person behind the tool, not the tool itself.

Darrell
 
Personally, I don't like hunting. It's too danged cold, and too many "huntin' buddies" seem to always tell tales of alcohol at the lease. I strongly disapprove of alcohol at a hunting lease, even if it's not going to be consumed until after the day's hunting is done. It's just asking for a problem, IMO.

At any rate, taking a child to hunt, and letting him kill his first animal, is also a great way to show the power of a weapon. And how it kills living things. And how it's messy and bloody. And how they don't always die quickly like in the movies.
Scott Olds said:
Way too many kids don't understand just how dangerous guns are and
how to handle them safely.

To show my kids how powerful they are I am planning on taking them
out to my gun club and then shoot a cantelope with a 12ga. After
slaughtering the cantelope with the 12ga comes the time honored
statement "Imagine that was your best friend's head" This is then
the lead in to the more serious and detailed discussion about gun
safety.

RESPONSIBLE ownership is also mandatory on all parents part though.
The talk is not enough. Parents HAVE to be responsible as well.
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
247 in 1999 under the age of 21? That's a child?

OK - that's fine -- 247 is a far cry from 12,000 or whatever that other guy posted before us.
Scott Goosman said:
Here are some statistics: "In 2001, women experienced an estimated
588,490 ****, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault and
simple assault victimizations at the hands of an intimate, down
from 1.1 million in 1993" from
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm#violent
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At the hands of an intimate? You mean inmate? Errr, maybe I'm not following here.

588,000? Aggravated assault and "simple assault?" Does this include when she said "yes," but then said "no" later?
 
Yep, and they conveniently didn't define the word, either. LOL.
Scott Olds said:
in Tx used to be that if you were "traveling" you could carry in
the vehicle as long as it WASN'T concealed, thus I had it in the
floorboard but this was before the days of the CCW in TX.
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
was "crossing two county lines" (makes a lot of sense, huh?)

another was

"traveling to/from a gun club or shooting range"
DavidP said:
Scott Olds said:
in Tx used to be that if you were "traveling" you could carry in
the vehicle as long as it WASN'T concealed, thus I had it in the
floorboard but this was before the days of the CCW in TX.
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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Texas law is clear. You are allowed to carry in normal use (going to a shooting range) or when you are on a "trip". This has been defined as any time you cross two counties.

I was driving in Colorado and I was pulled over for speeding. As the policeman was talking to me I realized my 9mm was sitting just below my left elbow on the ceter console. Pucker factor high. I put both hands on the steering wheel (which I always do anyway just so they don't have to worry for their lives on this particular routine stop) said "officer, I will do this exactly how you want me to and I don't want to alarm you, but if you look under my right arm, you will see that I have a gun with me tonight." He looked at me and said, "thanks for letting me know. Could I see your license and registration?" Taking my wallet out of my pocket had my hand just a couple of inches from the gun. He watched me pretty closely, but didn't seem overly concerned. When he said "I'll go check on you license and registration" I asked if he wanted me to put the gun on the roof while he was gone and he said that wouldn't be necessary "but please don't reach for it until after you've driven away."

I told him my understanding of the laws in Texas and asked how I should have handled it. He said there was no law against carrying a weapon for self-defense on a trip and that I handled it the way he wished everybody would.

No hassle for the gun and he let me go with a warning for speeding. Awefully nice considering I was going about 20 MPH too fast!
DavidP said:
Suffice it to say, I decided it was better to go ahead and get a
CCW than to risk having a legal decision go the wrong way against
me. Or to go bankrupt proving my innocence.

Even though I think a CCW shouldn't be required.
Scott Olds said:
otherwise known as the middle of nowhere. My 9mm was NOT concealed
and in fact was in the middle of the floorboard where it could be
seen. I used to commute every weekend between San Antonio and
Amarillo and drove some really remote roads. Surprisingly on one
of these really remote roads there was a drug checkpoint and I
somehow fit their profile (despite my Air Force uniform in the
trunk and my military sticker on the window) and they suspected me
to be a drug runner.

As soon as they pulled me over, I told them that I had a weapon in
the car and I then hear "GUN!!!" and more cops than I had seen in
my life surrounded me. It was quite the experience to someone who
was totally innocent of any crime.
Click to expand...
--
The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
Click to expand...
 
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