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they are TOTALLY Insane !!

Firstly they develop a 3-stop Image stabilizer - Wonderful!. Which lenses would you think that they'd first fit it to? -- My guess would have been the SUPERB 50-500EX, 100-300F4 and maybe even the 120-300 F2.8 to clean up the 100-400L IS market AND the 24-135EX - to clean up the 28-135IS market (The 28-135IS itself has had a £100 price rise in the UK recently) and their fast long Primes! ..

But what do they do? - make an 80-400-OS which they didn't bother to FIT HSM to - and while they're at it, didn't fit HSM to the 24-135EX either .. they also missed it off the 15-30EX and 28-70EX DF and fitted a crummy dog-slow implementation of it to the 70-200EX (I mean Micro-USM Slow!) ..

It's almost as if Canon have warned them off to stay away from the 28-135IS and 100-400L markets (My guess is that the 80-400OS will be more of a stretch 75-300IS than an L contender) ..

I can't see any logic whatsoever in their pattern of what they fit HSM or what they fit OS to .. Weird ..

I'd buy a Sigma 50-500EX-OS tomorrow and would replace my 28-135IS with a 24-135EX HSM OS also if it's as sharp as the Canon as it's loads faster and wider ..

What ARE they playing at ? .. theyt have some potential KILLERS there

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Hi Adam;

What a coincidence that you should post this.

I was just coming online to post a question to your attention about whether you've had any experience or know anyone who has with the 80-400os Sigma.

I'm hoping it's as crisp as the 50-500, but without the HSM what can we expect from it?

Hope the image quality compares to the 50-500, because I might just get it regardless.

Thanks for this post, and I agree with you that they seem to be going about this all wrong at Sigma.
Can you imagine a 50-500 with OS? Wow, what a treat that would be.
Thanks for all your very informative posts.
Brad
Adam-T said:
they are TOTALLY Insane !!

Firstly they develop a 3-stop Image stabilizer - Wonderful!. Which
lenses would you think that they'd first fit it to? -- My guess
would have been the SUPERB 50-500EX, 100-300F4 and maybe even the
120-300 F2.8 to clean up the 100-400L IS market AND the 24-135EX
  • to clean up the 28-135IS market (The 28-135IS itself has had a
£100 price rise in the UK recently) and their fast long Primes! ..

But what do they do? - make an 80-400-OS which they didn't bother
to FIT HSM to - and while they're at it, didn't fit HSM to the
24-135EX either .. they also missed it off the 15-30EX and 28-70EX
DF and fitted a crummy dog-slow implementation of it to the
70-200EX (I mean Micro-USM Slow!) ..

It's almost as if Canon have warned them off to stay away from the
28-135IS and 100-400L markets (My guess is that the 80-400OS will
be more of a stretch 75-300IS than an L contender) ..

I can't see any logic whatsoever in their pattern of what they fit
HSM or what they fit OS to .. Weird ..

I'd buy a Sigma 50-500EX-OS tomorrow and would replace my 28-135IS
with a 24-135EX HSM OS also if it's as sharp as the Canon as it's
loads faster and wider ..

What ARE they playing at ? .. theyt have some potential KILLERS there

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cromagman said:
whether you've had any experience or know anyone who has with the
80-400os Sigma.
I'm hoping it's as crisp as the 50-500, but without the HSM what
can we expect from it?
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there aren't any in the country yet - and as for HSM, even the DC motor in the 28-70EX is faster than the HSM in the 70-200EX ! , it's as slow as Micro USM ! - the 50-500EX's HSM is nice and fast, and Sigma's DC motor is reliable, so to be honest although it seems crazy for S not to have fitted HSM, the DC motor they HAVE fitted is likely to be better than the 70-200's HSM ...
cromagman said:
Hope the image quality compares to the 50-500, because I might just
get it regardless.
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I do too - could be just the 75-300IS upgrade I've been looking for - if it's as sharp as the 100-300F4 is supposed to be, it'll clean up !
cromagman said:
Can you imagine a 50-500 with OS? Wow, what a treat that would be.
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I can dream, I'm actually not ready to spend the cash, but after trying the 50-500EX yesterday, if they'd said "We have an OS version for £200 more" - I'd have handed my credit card over the counter there and then!.
cromagman said:
Thanks for all your very informative posts.
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No probs, :) glad to see that they're of help

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Does the 100-300mm f4 EX HSM has the same HSM then the 70-200 2.8?

Andre
Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:
whether you've had any experience or know anyone who has with the
80-400os Sigma.
I'm hoping it's as crisp as the 50-500, but without the HSM what
can we expect from it?
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there aren't any in the country yet - and as for HSM, even the DC
motor in the 28-70EX is faster than the HSM in the 70-200EX ! ,
it's as slow as Micro USM ! - the 50-500EX's HSM is nice and fast,
and Sigma's DC motor is reliable, so to be honest although it seems
crazy for S not to have fitted HSM, the DC motor they HAVE fitted
is likely to be better than the 70-200's HSM ...
Adam-T said:
Hope the image quality compares to the 50-500, because I might just
get it regardless.
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I do too - could be just the 75-300IS upgrade I've been looking for
  • if it's as sharp as the 100-300F4 is supposed to be, it'll clean
up !
Adam-T said:
Can you imagine a 50-500 with OS? Wow, what a treat that would be.
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I can dream, I'm actually not ready to spend the cash, but after
trying the 50-500EX yesterday, if they'd said "We have an OS
version for £200 more" - I'd have handed my credit card over the
counter there and then!.
Adam-T said:
Thanks for all your very informative posts.
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No probs, :) glad to see that they're of help

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My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
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AndreP said:
Does the 100-300mm f4 EX HSM has the same HSM then the 70-200 2.8?

Andre
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I don't know the answer with certainty, but I would think that the HSM in the 100-300mm f4 is similar to that in the 50-500mm since the former is a fairly new lens that came out at more or less the same time as the 50-500mm. Also all the reports that I have read of the 100-300mm say that its AF is very fast. If I buy one in the next few days I will let you know !

Terry.
AndreP said:
Adam-T said:
AndreP said:
whether you've had any experience or know anyone who has with the
80-400os Sigma.
I'm hoping it's as crisp as the 50-500, but without the HSM what
can we expect from it?
Click to expand...
there aren't any in the country yet - and as for HSM, even the DC
motor in the 28-70EX is faster than the HSM in the 70-200EX ! ,
it's as slow as Micro USM ! - the 50-500EX's HSM is nice and fast,
and Sigma's DC motor is reliable, so to be honest although it seems
crazy for S not to have fitted HSM, the DC motor they HAVE fitted
is likely to be better than the 70-200's HSM ...
AndreP said:
Hope the image quality compares to the 50-500, because I might just
get it regardless.
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I do too - could be just the 75-300IS upgrade I've been looking for
  • if it's as sharp as the 100-300F4 is supposed to be, it'll clean
up !
AndreP said:
Can you imagine a 50-500 with OS? Wow, what a treat that would be.
Click to expand...
I can dream, I'm actually not ready to spend the cash, but after
trying the 50-500EX yesterday, if they'd said "We have an OS
version for £200 more" - I'd have handed my credit card over the
counter there and then!.
AndreP said:
Thanks for all your very informative posts.
Click to expand...
No probs, :) glad to see that they're of help

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Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
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When I see the prizes for the Sigma lenses, only 1 (for the inexpensive ones) or 2 of the following features are available at the same time:
  • very good optical quality
  • good HSM
  • IS (new, so nobody knows if it's any good)
tc
Adam-T said:
they are TOTALLY Insane !!

Firstly they develop a 3-stop Image stabilizer - Wonderful!. Which
lenses would you think that they'd first fit it to? -- My guess
would have been the SUPERB 50-500EX, 100-300F4 and maybe even the
120-300 F2.8 to clean up the 100-400L IS market AND the 24-135EX
  • to clean up the 28-135IS market (The 28-135IS itself has had a
£100 price rise in the UK recently) and their fast long Primes! ..

But what do they do? - make an 80-400-OS which they didn't bother
to FIT HSM to - and while they're at it, didn't fit HSM to the
24-135EX either .. they also missed it off the 15-30EX and 28-70EX
DF and fitted a crummy dog-slow implementation of it to the
70-200EX (I mean Micro-USM Slow!) ..

It's almost as if Canon have warned them off to stay away from the
28-135IS and 100-400L markets (My guess is that the 80-400OS will
be more of a stretch 75-300IS than an L contender) ..

I can't see any logic whatsoever in their pattern of what they fit
HSM or what they fit OS to .. Weird ..

I'd buy a Sigma 50-500EX-OS tomorrow and would replace my 28-135IS
with a 24-135EX HSM OS also if it's as sharp as the Canon as it's
loads faster and wider ..

What ARE they playing at ? .. theyt have some potential KILLERS there

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My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
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How does the Sigma AF 120-300mm f2.8 EX APO HSM Zoom stack up in their lineup?

I have been debating getting one of these (potentially with a 1.4x) vs getting a Sigma 50-500mm 4-6.3 EX APO HSM Zoom, since I'd like something with a little extra aperature for low light telephoto use, but really don't have any experience with Sigma glass.

Thanks,

-Darrin
 
Hello Michael,

We were at Sigma Benelux headquaters a few weeks ago and got their latest price list.
I don't have it here at work, but will look at home later ...
We will be able to test the new lens as soon as it is available.

BTW, don't sell that 50-500mm, it's to good ... ;-)
You're gonna regret it ;-)))

Kind regards,
Jaja
http://www.belgiumdigital.com
Michael Furtman said:
Adam-T (or anyone else!)

I've not been able to find a suggest retail price on this OS lens.
Has anyone heard what it may be, and when the lens will be
available?

Also, I have a 50-500 Sigma lens, two months old, like new and with
box, case, etc., that I'm looking to sell. Those interested can
email me at [email protected].

Mike
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Just wondering why you are selling it Mike? .. Personally the only thing holding me back from this lens is the lack of OS - if I wanted a slow 400mm lens I'd have kept my 400mm F5.6L but there is no doubt that the Sigma 50-500EX is both practical and a great performer - so long as you either have a Tripod with you most of the time or were weaned on Belgian Beer ;-) ..

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they are treading very lightly on the Image Stabilization patents of Canon as they won't wish to spend much of their time in court supporting their version's use of it. Indeed I too would have jumped on a fully outfitted 50-500 APO EX HSM with IS on it. That would have been a "benchmark" lens had the IS been implemented in it. I have NO doubt it would have killed the 100-400L market to be sure. But as is always the marketing case, there is NO sense of the market implemented as WE would like it.
 
Adam-T said:
they are TOTALLY Insane !!
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Just traded in my Sigma 70-200 APO. On Adam's recommendation, in fact... just got my very own "Magic Drainpipe," the 80-200L f2.8. I found someone who had one new (believe it or not) and got it for $600, which is an unbelievable price for one in this condition. It should be here early next week just in time for my vacation to South Miami Beach.

Anyway, I was very pleased with the performance of the Sigma 70-200, but decided I'd rather have the Canon. Besides, if I want to send in my 10D for "focus adjustment" it will be much better to have all Canon lenses. :)

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BryanS
 
Adam-T said:
Just wondering why you are selling it Mike? ..
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Because I detest tripods! And a monopod just doesn't do it with this lens, which, by the way, is a very nice piece. It is a fine lens. Frankly, I'm so damn spoiled by IS, that I can't get used to going back to a tripod.

So..., as JaJa says, I'll probably regret having sold it, but I figured that if I were to sell it, I should do so while it is like new. I only purchased it a bit over a month ago. I think the invoice says 4/2/03.

Mike

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Especially about the 24-135 which would also compete with Nikon's new 24-120 VR. I guess they thought the 80-400 would be a natural against Canon's 100-400 and Nikon's 80-400, but it's a little too much ME TOO! They missed a real bet with the 50-500, there would be nothing to compete with it.
Adam-T said:
they are TOTALLY Insane !!

Firstly they develop a 3-stop Image stabilizer - Wonderful!. Which
lenses would you think that they'd first fit it to? -- My guess
would have been the SUPERB 50-500EX, 100-300F4 and maybe even the
120-300 F2.8 to clean up the 100-400L IS market AND the 24-135EX
  • to clean up the 28-135IS market (The 28-135IS itself has had a
£100 price rise in the UK recently) and their fast long Primes! ..

But what do they do? - make an 80-400-OS which they didn't bother
to FIT HSM to - and while they're at it, didn't fit HSM to the
24-135EX either .. they also missed it off the 15-30EX and 28-70EX
DF and fitted a crummy dog-slow implementation of it to the
70-200EX (I mean Micro-USM Slow!) ..

It's almost as if Canon have warned them off to stay away from the
28-135IS and 100-400L markets (My guess is that the 80-400OS will
be more of a stretch 75-300IS than an L contender) ..

I can't see any logic whatsoever in their pattern of what they fit
HSM or what they fit OS to .. Weird ..

I'd buy a Sigma 50-500EX-OS tomorrow and would replace my 28-135IS
with a 24-135EX HSM OS also if it's as sharp as the Canon as it's
loads faster and wider ..

What ARE they playing at ? .. theyt have some potential KILLERS there

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My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=27855

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BryanS said:
fact... just got my very own "Magic Drainpipe," the 80-200L f2.8.
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I found the Sigma 70-200EX to be very patchy at F2.8 favouring the 100-135mm area heavily and the HSM is as slow as horrible Micro USM and noticably slower than the 28-135IS let alone the Magic Drainpipe's Turbo-AFD! ..

The Drainpipe is hard to tell the difference between f2.8 and f9.5 and it beats my 100USM Macro at f2.8 100mm too and others have agreed! - I can't tell the difference between F2.8 200mm drainpipe shots and 300mm F4L Prime shots bar the focal length on a D60 ! - MAYBE on a 1DS, the prime will pull ahead but the 80-200L is way beyond the capability of these 4mp - 6.5Mp sensors that's for sure ..

Hope you get a Good one, you should, I've yet to hear of a duffer and that includes bashed up examples with scratched front elements!

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Adam-T said:
Hope you get a Good one, you should, I've yet to hear of a duffer
and that includes bashed up examples with scratched front elements!
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Well, it IS a new one. Maybe the warranty is still good even if it is a "duffer." :)

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