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Why the P7700 is a great camera

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One of the intended goals of every forum is the ability to express opinions - freely, that is. You tend to get defensive with folks who write anything that may even seem remotely in disagreement with something you may have said. In fact, I was not being rude at all, nor was anything I wrote intended to be rude. Remember, we all have opinions and when we list them on these forums, it gives other readers the ability to gauge a variety of viewpoints.

I did not disagree with your comments - rather, I listed some of the caveats that I have with the "copy" of the P7700 that I have - and I stand by those comments (and quite frankly, don't GAF that you may disagree).

I enjoy the P7700 and yes, I shoot in RAW only. But everyone uses their cameras differently. I've been around long enough to realize issues when I see them and as is oftentimes the case with lenses, you can have variations between copies. Some of these variations might be small, while others may be major.
 
Ben Herrmann said:
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Shotcents wrote:

Rather than get defensive over a poor exposure, work on improving your skills.



Robert
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Robert - you're beginning to sound just like Nikonworks, that is, quite defensive.>>>
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Ben, the above comment was meant for Nikonworks. How could it be directed at you when you never posted a pic.
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I've always tried to help - but then some folks, as indicated in your reply, just seem to have the very defensive bent that you just accused me of.
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Again...some confusion here, sir. I was talking about Nikonworks.


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And BTW, that image sample of yours that you posted is too underexposed - actually boring with little contrast. But then I can imagine you will now be incensed about that statement.
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I do hope people find the shot boring. It's a shot of basically nothing interesting, made only to show that it's possible to expose a shot and hold the sky without blowing it out.




Chill dude!




Robert
 
Shotcents said:
Shotcents wrote:
Shotcents said:
Ben Herrmann wrote:
Shotcents said:
Shotcents wrote:

Rather than get defensive over a poor exposure, work on improving your skills.



Robert
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Robert - you're beginning to sound just like Nikonworks, that is, quite defensive.>>>
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Ben, the above comment was meant for Nikonworks. How could it be directed at you when you never posted a pic.
Shotcents said:
I've always tried to help - but then some folks, as indicated in your reply, just seem to have the very defensive bent that you just accused me of.
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Again...some confusion here, sir. I was talking about Nikonworks.
Shotcents said:
And BTW, that image sample of yours that you posted is too underexposed - actually boring with little contrast. But then I can imagine you will now be incensed about that statement.
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I do hope people find the shot boring. It's a shot of basically nothing interesting, made only to show that it's possible to expose a shot and hold the sky without blowing it out.

Chill dude!

Robert
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I have come to the conclusion that the very limited traffic on this particular forum is without doubt atributable to the overbearing presence of you two 'Typists', for which you both of you have alot of time to do rather than take pictures.

The P7700 is a great camera as I originally posted.
 
Nikonworks said:
I have come to the conclusion that the very limited traffic on this particular forum is without doubt atributable to the overbearing presence of you two 'Typists', for which you both of you have alot of time to do rather than take pictures.

The P7700 is a great camera as I originally posted.
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Traffic has been dirt slow for a long time and I only just got my nice P7700 with it's bad ISO range on Xmas day, so maybe they knew I was coming?

Meanwhile....selling the Canon S100 as the P7700 is much nicer (though bigger).







Robert
 
Instead of answering my question you call me 'Defensive', post to others 'you sound like Nikonworks'. etc.

You are a full time poster without much substance, who attempts to elevate himself with phrases such as "When we label a camera Great'.....

The 'We' is only you.

I copy and pasted my above question which you have evaded while calling me names:
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I must say that with my copy (always good to include that statment - "my copy"), the CA levels are abnormally high - far more than what I experienced with my P7000 and P7100. And although you can easily remove it with software, the fact that it takes a step back in this regard with comparison to previous models, is troubling.

Additionally - again, with my copy - the AF capabilities are a tad slower than what I've experienced with my P7100.

So when we label a camera as "great," what does that really mean? I know I could say the same for a number of other cameras that I shoot with (based on my experiences) like the G12, XZ-1, LX-5, X-10, and P7100
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Have a great one.... Bernd (Ben) W. Herrmann North Carolina, USA link
What is your point?

Do you feel my saying the P7700 is a great camera is a negative commentary on other cameras?

I did not 'label' my camera a great, the camera's functionality, as I attempted to display above, 'labels' the camera as great in my opinion.

Maybe the CA is a trade off for having an f2 to F4 lens in a compact.

A trade off I am willing to accept, and is part of the reason I posted the above images, so reders can see for themselves.

And your 'my copy' approach to cameras is being too polite for me.

As I posted above, the P7700 is a great camera.
 
What is your point?

Do you feel my saying the P7700 is a great camera is a negative commentary on other cameras?>>



Actually it is. I don't think anyone has made a "great" enthusiast compact camera yet and I've used some very good ones. I think the P7700 is very good, but great? Nope. Not even close.
Nikonworks said:
Maybe the CA is a trade off for having an f2 to F4 lens in a compact.
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No, there are lenses with less CA, but this is a low cost camera and there have to be compromises.


Nikonworks said:
A trade off I am willing to accept, and is part of the reason I posted the above images, so reders can see for themselves.

And your 'my copy' approach to cameras is being too polite for me.

As I posted above, the P7700 is a great camera.
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The P7700 would be great if it was the leader in this class of cameras. It's certainly competitive, but lags in several areas...slower to focus, slower to write files, no OVF, oddly huge file handling in RAW, weak ISO range. It's among the better cameras out there, none of which are great.

Cheerleading is fun. Hey, I like the P7700 too. It's a sweet little cam, but calling it great is WAY over the top. I'd be quicker to call the Canon S100 or S110 "great" as it clearly leads it's class.

If the P7700 is a "Great camera for YOU" then that's what you should say, since it's clearly lacking for some users depending on their needs.

Is that reasonable? I hope so.




Robert
 
Shotcents said:
Shotcents wrote:
What is your point?

Do you feel my saying the P7700 is a great camera is a negative commentary on other cameras?>>
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Actually it is. I don't think anyone has made a "great" enthusiast compact camera yet and I've used some very good ones. I think the P7700 is very good, but great? Nope. Not even close.
Shotcents said:
Maybe the CA is a trade off for having an f2 to F4 lens in a compact.
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No, there are lenses with less CA, but this is a low cost camera and there have to be compromises.
Shotcents said:
A trade off I am willing to accept, and is part of the reason I posted the above images, so reders can see for themselves.

And your 'my copy' approach to cameras is being too polite for me.

As I posted above, the P7700 is a great camera.
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The P7700 would be great if it was the leader in this class of cameras. It's certainly competitive, but lags in several areas...slower to focus, slower to write files, no OVF, oddly huge file handling in RAW, weak ISO range. It's among the better cameras out there, none of which are great.

Cheerleading is fun. Hey, I like the P7700 too. It's a sweet little cam, but calling it great is WAY over the top. I'd be quicker to call the Canon S100 or S110 "great" as it clearly leads it's class.

If the P7700 is a "Great camera for YOU" then that's what you should say, since it's clearly lacking for some users depending on their needs.

Is that reasonable? I hope so.

Robert
No, you should not. This was specifically addressed to another member.

It is not your place to put your two cents in.
 
Nikonworks said:
No, you should not. This was specifically addressed to another member.

It is not your place to put your two cents in.
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Yeah, it's not like this is a FORUM!




Oh boy. Fan boy.







Robert
 
Shotcents said:
Shotcents wrote:
The P7700 would be great if it was the leader in this class of cameras. It's certainly competitive, but lags in several areas...slower to focus, slower to write files, no OVF, oddly huge file handling in RAW, weak ISO range. It's among the better cameras out there, none of which are great.
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An issue I have here is slow focus wouldn't be a deal breaker for this camera for me. I gave up on using an OVF some time ago, being myopic makes the screen usually fine. RAW is meant for those who are superior, I find JPG to be all that's warranted, and it can be adjusted to a large degree if needed. ISO range isn't a deal breaker, even with a large sensor camera I'm still going to regard high ISO stuff as stocking filler, shots I want as posters I tend to seek as low ISO anyway. What is a deal breaker for the P7700 is the extra zoom above the competitors and what appears to my eyes, superior IQ.
 
I am new to this feud and just stopped by as I have some interest in buying the P7700. I already have a Nikon D300 and Olympus OM-D and was looking for a p&s with a longer zoom. The camera seems to have some good reviews but I must agree with the others that these images aren't showing me too much. This is just my opinion and if you think it is a great camera then that is what matters most. I just don't see anything special in these pics.
 
SSISteve said:
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I am new to this feud and just stopped by as I have some interest in buying the P7700. I already have a Nikon D300 and Olympus OM-D and was looking for a p&s with a longer zoom. The camera seems to have some good reviews but I must agree with the others that these images aren't showing me too much. This is just my opinion and if you think it is a great camera then that is what matters most. I just don't see anything special in these pics.
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SSISteve said:
SSISteve wrote:

I am new to this feud and just stopped by as I have some interest in buying the P7700. I already have a Nikon D300 and Olympus OM-D and was looking for a p&s with a longer zoom. The camera seems to have some good reviews but I must agree with the others that these images aren't showing me too much. This is just my opinion and if you think it is a great camera then that is what matters most. I just don't see anything special in these pics.
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Nikonworks said:
I posted my photo of Atlas using the P7700 because there is not one other camera that could have captured the two shots that make the pano under the conditions which I shot the images.
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Oh. My. God.







R.
 
Shotcents said:
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I posted my photo of Atlas using the P7700 because there is not one other camera that could have captured the two shots that make the pano under the conditions which I shot the images.
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Oh. My. God.

R.
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Must you step on everyone's post?

Try reading a response and following the thread, instead of replying to every post.

By the way, you left out my next sentence:

'And no one here even asked how easy/difficult it was to capture the moment.'

This includes you.
 
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Nikonworks said:
Nikonworks wrote:
Nikonworks said:
Shotcents wrote:
Nikonworks said:
I posted my photo of Atlas using the P7700 because there is not one other camera that could have captured the two shots that make the pano under the conditions which I shot the images.
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Oh. My. God.

R.
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Must you step on everyone's post?

Try reading a response and following the thread, instead of replying to every post.

By the way, you left out my next sentence:

'And no one here even asked how easy/difficult it was to capture the moment.'

This includes you.
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Were you falling off a wall when you shot it? Care to explain what the P7700 did for the shot that NO OTHER compact cam can do????




Robert
 
Nikonworks said:
'And no one here even asked how easy/difficult it was to capture the moment.'
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And by the way, WHAT MOMENT? Was the building blown up a second later? Was it moving? Will you never drive past it again?

Capturing a moment usually refers to something like this....




D800 + 70-200 VRII






Cheers,




Robert
 

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Shotcents said:
Shotcents wrote:
Shotcents said:
Nikonworks wrote:
Shotcents said:
Shotcents wrote:
Shotcents said:
I posted my photo of Atlas using the P7700 because there is not one other camera that could have captured the two shots that make the pano under the conditions which I shot the images.
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Oh. My. God.

R.
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Must you step on everyone's post?

Try reading a response and following the thread, instead of replying to every post.

By the way, you left out my next sentence:

'And no one here even asked how easy/difficult it was to capture the moment.'

This includes you.
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Were you falling off a wall when you shot it? Care to explain what the P7700 did for the shot that NO OTHER compact cam can do????

Robert
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Your comment indicates that you first responded to my thread without reading or comprehending my post, (the term from where I come from is 'run off the mouth')

Please re-read my OP and you will find your answer, it is all there.
 
Shotcents said:
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Shotcents said:
'And no one here even asked how easy/difficult it was to capture the moment.'
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And by the way, WHAT MOMENT? Was the building blown up a second later? Was it moving? Will you never drive past it again?

Capturing a moment usually refers to something like this....




D800 + 70-200 VRII

Cheers,

Robert
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In my opinion nostrils and necks do not make for an appealing capture.

Surely the playing did not stop at this moment in time.

Do you have other captured moments that show who the subject is and what he is doing?

PS: you should try turning your body to portrait position with the knob on the lens foot, you will get the entire player, which you can crop at a later time.
 
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