VERY disapointed with 10D!!!

chopper87 · May 3, 2003

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I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a sharply focused photo. Now, the flash no longer functions in "P" raw mode. And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD, they no longer register in any of the software on my computer. Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

It's a good thing that my wife has a 6 month old 7E to take prom and graduation pictures this weekend.

Mike48088 · May 3, 2003

If your shooting in Raw then you'll need to convert them before they will show.

Mike

Lance A. Akridge said:
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I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo. Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"
raw mode. And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

It's a good thing that my wife has a 6 month old 7E to take prom
and graduation pictures this weekend.

Adam-T · May 3, 2003

chopper87 said:
I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo.

What lens? - any examples to show us?

chopper87 said:
Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"

Have you got the camera set to AI servo or AI Focus?, the flash doesn't function in these modes..

chopper87 said:
And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

the other guy answered that one - Standard file viewers won't read RAW photos bar Irfanview with the CRW plug in and even then it only sees the stored JPG file.

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Mike48088 · May 3, 2003

Adam

I'm not the other guy...I'm Mike. You have gave me some lens help in the past. Must have forgotten. After all Mike is a common name.

Mike

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo.

Click to expand...

What lens? - any examples to show us?

Adam-T said:

Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"

Click to expand...

Have you got the camera set to AI servo or AI Focus?, the flash
doesn't function in these modes..

Adam-T said:

And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

Click to expand...

the other guy answered that one - Standard file viewers won't read
RAW photos bar Irfanview with the CRW plug in and even then it only
sees the stored JPG file.

--
Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=27855

RichW · May 3, 2003

We really need that newbie forum Phil proposed. Don't mean to belittle people problems but a little studying and learning is really necessary before one lashes out out the equipment.

Rich

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo.

Click to expand...

What lens? - any examples to show us?

Adam-T said:

Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"

Click to expand...

Have you got the camera set to AI servo or AI Focus?, the flash
doesn't function in these modes..

Adam-T said:

And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

Click to expand...

the other guy answered that one - Standard file viewers won't read
RAW photos bar Irfanview with the CRW plug in and even then it only
sees the stored JPG file.

--
Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=27855

Abargath · May 3, 2003

Just go over the manual and try out most of the settings and give it a week or two before you blame the camera. I does not have a built in artificial intelligence to make all the decisions for you so you have to know what each and every setting on the camera does if you want to use it to its full potential. It´s got a pretty steep learning curve for a first time user of a SLR so like I said, give it some time!

Lance A. Akridge said:
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I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo. Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"
raw mode. And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

It's a good thing that my wife has a 6 month old 7E to take prom
and graduation pictures this weekend.

Melanie Kipp · May 3, 2003

Lance,

Take your time. Read the book that came with your camera. Have the camera in your hand whilst reading. Learn how to change settings, and when you should do so. Take photos ( the film's free ) and you'll soon discover what a wonderful piece of technology you now own. My first day shooting with my 10D also resulted in few, if any, "keepers". I read, and read again, now I couldn't be more happy with the camera. There's a learning curve here. Also read about image work flow after you download to the PC and about proper printing ( I looked at your post about printing problems ). Take a deep breath, then keep on shooting.

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http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

Ashley Cheng · May 3, 2003

My guess is he might have forgotten to press the little flash button next to the Canon logo to pop up the flash in "P" mode.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo.

Click to expand...

What lens? - any examples to show us?

Adam-T said:

Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"

Click to expand...

Have you got the camera set to AI servo or AI Focus?, the flash
doesn't function in these modes..

BobbyP78446 · May 3, 2003

I've had my 10D for several days and I too am dissapointed. I am not a novice and have used digital and 35mm cameras for years. I know how to focus and I don't need a newbie forum. I have tested against my Sony 707 and the Sony photos look sharper to me.

I love the way the 10D feels and its features. I very much want to like it, but the images are just not as sharp as they should be and the colors are not as vibrant.

I have tested the camera with a Canon 50mm 1.8 and with the Canon 28-135 zoom. Today I plan to test using these same lenses on a Canon Rebel 35mm camera to make sure the lenses are okay.

I called Canon and they do not acknowledge a problem.

--
Bobby

Alex Permit · May 3, 2003

Are you shooting in raw? Whats your threshold and radius setting in USM in photoshop?

BobbyP said:
I've had my 10D for several days and I too am dissapointed. I am
not a novice and have used digital and 35mm cameras for years. I
know how to focus and I don't need a newbie forum. I have tested
against my Sony 707 and the Sony photos look sharper to me.

I love the way the 10D feels and its features. I very much want to
like it, but the images are just not as sharp as they should be and
the colors are not as vibrant.

I have tested the camera with a Canon 50mm 1.8 and with the Canon
28-135 zoom. Today I plan to test using these same lenses on a
Canon Rebel 35mm camera to make sure the lenses are okay.

I called Canon and they do not acknowledge a problem.

--
Bobby

Paul Grupp · May 3, 2003

You're right -- the 10D is total junk. The fact that Canon is four months back-ordered and selling every one they can get has nothing to do with the quality of the camera -- it's a vast conspiracy!

Out of my deep compassion for my fellow man, I'm forming an ex-10D users support group. I feel your pain. Ship me the 10D and all accessories, and I'll send you a check for 20 bucks. That's certainly more than the junker is worth, right!

But seriously. As many, many have said -- the 10D is a instrument designed to produce professional level results. Some photographers don't want vibrant color. Others don't want super sharp results.

Out of the box, the 10D will produce very neutral results -- a good starting place for most of us. If you want vibrant color and strong sharpening, there are setting on the camera that will accomplish that -- and you can also tweak the color and sharpness in Photoshop.

If you're not really willing to do these things, then, with all due respect, I have to question why you bought a camera like this.

The 10D will run rings around your Sony -- but it needs your help to do it. This is a powerful, deep instrument. Just because a novice to digital SLR photography picks it up and doesn't get great results the first time doesn't mean it's flawed. Give it some time, get to know it, and you'll be rewarded with pictures that surpass your expectations.

No offense -- but I thought I was a pretty experienced photographer when I got my first digital SLR -- I have years and years of experience shooting everything from Nikons to RZ67s. This is a different beast with a learning curve. The pictures I turn out today are far, far better than what I did when I first got my D60 and Fuji S2. I have learned -- you will too!

Regards,
Paul
http://www.pbase.com/pgrupp

BobbyP said:
I've had my 10D for several days and I too am dissapointed. I am
not a novice and have used digital and 35mm cameras for years. I
know how to focus and I don't need a newbie forum. I have tested
against my Sony 707 and the Sony photos look sharper to me.

I love the way the 10D feels and its features. I very much want to
like it, but the images are just not as sharp as they should be and
the colors are not as vibrant.

I have tested the camera with a Canon 50mm 1.8 and with the Canon
28-135 zoom. Today I plan to test using these same lenses on a
Canon Rebel 35mm camera to make sure the lenses are okay.

I called Canon and they do not acknowledge a problem.

--
Bobby

DanF. · May 3, 2003

This has been covered here so many times it's not funny, but here goes...

By default the, cmera does less in-camera sharpening, since most people using this camera would prefer to do it later in the workflow. Same with the saturation, it render more nuetral images. If you want it to emulate your Sony, go to the menu, chose parameerrs, and make aset with bumped sharpness and saturation.

BobbyP said:
I've had my 10D for several days and I too am dissapointed. I am
not a novice and have used digital and 35mm cameras for years. I
know how to focus and I don't need a newbie forum. I have tested
against my Sony 707 and the Sony photos look sharper to me.

I love the way the 10D feels and its features. I very much want to
like it, but the images are just not as sharp as they should be and
the colors are not as vibrant.

I have tested the camera with a Canon 50mm 1.8 and with the Canon
28-135 zoom. Today I plan to test using these same lenses on a
Canon Rebel 35mm camera to make sure the lenses are okay.

I called Canon and they do not acknowledge a problem.

--
Bobby

Andy Meng · May 3, 2003

I have already formed the "Andy Needs a 10D Charity" and all useless, worthless, defective, junk 10D's should be sent to me. Remember I've established it as a charity. Surely that's more important than a measly $20.

Looks like with 2 people in this post that have junkers we can split though. lol.

I'm another that learned the hard way with a D30 that it's not the same as a film body, but read what Paul has to say. It makes sense. Learn your camera!

Andy

pgrupp said:
Out of my deep compassion for my fellow man, I'm forming an ex-10D
users support group. I feel your pain. Ship me the 10D and all
accessories, and I'll send you a check for 20 bucks. That's
certainly more than the junker is worth, right!

But seriously. As many, many have said -- the 10D is a instrument
designed to produce professional level results. Some photographers
don't want vibrant color. Others don't want super sharp results.

Out of the box, the 10D will produce very neutral results -- a good
starting place for most of us. If you want vibrant color and strong
sharpening, there are setting on the camera that will accomplish
that -- and you can also tweak the color and sharpness in Photoshop.

If you're not really willing to do these things, then, with all due
respect, I have to question why you bought a camera like this.

The 10D will run rings around your Sony -- but it needs your help
to do it. This is a powerful, deep instrument. Just because a
novice to digital SLR photography picks it up and doesn't get great
results the first time doesn't mean it's flawed. Give it some time,
get to know it, and you'll be rewarded with pictures that surpass
your expectations.

No offense -- but I thought I was a pretty experienced photographer
when I got my first digital SLR -- I have years and years of
experience shooting everything from Nikons to RZ67s. This is a
different beast with a learning curve. The pictures I turn out
today are far, far better than what I did when I first got my D60
and Fuji S2. I have learned -- you will too!

Regards,
Paul
http://www.pbase.com/pgrupp

BobbyP said:

I've had my 10D for several days and I too am dissapointed. I am
not a novice and have used digital and 35mm cameras for years. I
know how to focus and I don't need a newbie forum. I have tested
against my Sony 707 and the Sony photos look sharper to me.

I love the way the 10D feels and its features. I very much want to
like it, but the images are just not as sharp as they should be and
the colors are not as vibrant.

I have tested the camera with a Canon 50mm 1.8 and with the Canon
28-135 zoom. Today I plan to test using these same lenses on a
Canon Rebel 35mm camera to make sure the lenses are okay.

I called Canon and they do not acknowledge a problem.

--
Bobby

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chopper87 · May 3, 2003

Ashley,

You have corrected one of my issues. I was ignorant to the need to press the flash button in "p" mode. Now I have a flash!!! But, I still can't get even thumbnail photo displays in FILE VIEWER UTILITY regardless of JPEG or RAW from the 10D. Funny thing is, up until this morning, all camera based photos displayed first in viewer Utility, where I transfered the raw data to jpeg or Tiff for use in ADOBe. Now all that displays are "?" where the thumbnails were before. Anymore help is obviously needed.

Lance

Ashley Cheng said:
Adam-T said:

Ashley Cheng said:

I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo.

Click to expand...

What lens? - any examples to show us?

Ashley Cheng said:

Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"

Click to expand...

Have you got the camera set to AI servo or AI Focus?, the flash
doesn't function in these modes..

Click to expand...

--

would love to take very high quality shots consistantly. As yet, all of my shots show obvious pixels.

mini-me · May 3, 2003

Lance A. Akridge said:
--
I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo. Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"
raw mode. And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

It's a good thing that my wife has a 6 month old 7E to take prom
and graduation pictures this weekend.

BobbyP78446 · May 3, 2003

Thanks for the feedback. I will work with my camera and give it some time. I do think some of the remarks above were uncalled for. Most of us are trying to get help or to help others. None of us like to be talked down to or receive the sarcasm some insist on giving. Why can't we communicate on a friendly basis and all become better photographers for it.

BobbyP

Al Pacheco · May 3, 2003

Use ZoomBrowser to view tiffs.

Lance A. Akridge said:
You have corrected one of my issues. I was ignorant to the need to
press the flash button in "p" mode. Now I have a flash!!! But, I
still can't get even thumbnail photo displays in FILE VIEWER
UTILITY regardless of JPEG or RAW from the 10D. Funny thing is, up
until this morning, all camera based photos displayed first in
viewer Utility, where I transfered the raw data to jpeg or Tiff for
use in ADOBe. Now all that displays are "?" where the thumbnails
were before. Anymore help is obviously needed.

Lance

Ashley Cheng said:

Adam-T said:

chopper87 said:

I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo.

Click to expand...

What lens? - any examples to show us?

chopper87 said:

Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"

Click to expand...

Have you got the camera set to AI servo or AI Focus?, the flash
doesn't function in these modes..

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
would love to take very high quality shots consistantly. As yet,
all of my shots show obvious pixels.

chopper87 · May 3, 2003

I have no desire to return the 10D without recieving another one. I am not a 10D hater, just a novice who may have problems with his camera or a poor understanding of some of it's less intuitive features. Ashly kindly taught me how to manually manipulate the flash while in PROGRAM mode (Thanks). Maybe someone else with experience can help me understand what may have changed so that my computer will no longer recognize or display photos that are redily displayed on the cameras LCD? All that are displayed on the monitor are slide like thumbnails of large "?" marks.

Lance

mini-me said:
Lance A. Akridge said:

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I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo. Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"
raw mode. And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

It's a good thing that my wife has a 6 month old 7E to take prom
and graduation pictures this weekend.

Click to expand...

--

would love to take very high quality shots consistantly. As yet, all of my shots show obvious pixels.

Michael Eckstein · May 3, 2003

Lance A. Akridge said:
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I have had my (04#####) 10D for 4 days and have yet to acquire a
sharply focused photo. Now, the flash no longer functions in "P"
raw mode. And even though the camera displays photos in the LCD,
they no longer register in any of the software on my computer.
Only ? marks are displayed where the photos displayed last night.

It's a good thing that my wife has a 6 month old 7E to take prom
and graduation pictures this weekend.

a person · May 3, 2003

Hi Lance,

You mentioned that you were shooting in RAW. Try shooting in jpeg mode for now, and save learning RAW for later. There is so much to learn BEFORE you get to RAW that it will just complicate your life for now. The jpeg thumbnails should pop right up in just about any software.

I'm sorry- you are probably frustrated at some of the animosity generated by your question. People often have a low tolerance of certain questions. While poor behavior is never justified, it is well worth remembering that many people read these forums for information in deciding what camera to buy. When people make statements such as your subject line, it has a tendency to mislead many people into thinking all 10D's are bad. As a general rule I try to make sure I have learned everything about the proper functioning of equipment before making statements about performance. Don't worry- I think we've all fallen into that trap before.

Ken

http://www.vistablue.net
http://www.pbase.com/mistereman

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