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Hello all. I wanted to introduce myself over here on the Canon side of the fence. ;-) I was fairly active on the Nikon forum about 6 months back, but don't think I posted much over here.

Anyway... I have recently made up my mind to switch camps. Up until a few days ago, I used a D100 and had a collection of 3 lenses. After 6 months of use, and the release of the 10D, it's time.

I put a lot of time into figuring it out, but I eventually got burned out on the soft images and poor exposure I have always gotten on the D100. I even wrote an in-depth article about the custom tone curves... they helped, but it still wasn't quite there.

The D60 wasn't available when I got the D100, and thus my choice. Now I'm kind of glad I didn't get the 60 because it is easier to justify the 10D purchase.

Anyway, thanks in advance for all the great info here on the site. Between reading this forum and others over the last few weeks, I feel like I already know the new camera. I'll be placing an order this week and (hopefully) it will show up in the next month or so. Till' then I'm outty a shutter. :-)
 
Kev King said:
Hello all. I wanted to introduce myself over here on the Canon
side of the fence. ;-) I was fairly active on the Nikon forum
about 6 months back, but don't think I posted much over here.

Anyway... I have recently made up my mind to switch camps. Up
until a few days ago, I used a D100 and had a collection of 3
lenses. After 6 months of use, and the release of the 10D, it's
time.

I put a lot of time into figuring it out, but I eventually got
burned out on the soft images and poor exposure I have always
gotten on the D100. I even wrote an in-depth article about the
custom tone curves... they helped, but it still wasn't quite there.

The D60 wasn't available when I got the D100, and thus my choice.
Now I'm kind of glad I didn't get the 60 because it is easier to
justify the 10D purchase.

Anyway, thanks in advance for all the great info here on the site.
Between reading this forum and others over the last few weeks, I
feel like I already know the new camera. I'll be placing an order
this week and (hopefully) it will show up in the next month or so.
Till' then I'm outty a shutter. :-)
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I bought an EOS 10D slightly more than a month ago. It is quite disappointing, as the camera does not live up to its hype. Are you sure you want to switch?

The EOS 10D also underexpose significantly indoors. Outdoor shot tends to overexpose. Images from the 10D is at least 2x softer than your D100, that I have also tried. The RAW conversion on the Canon is in no way comparable to the convenience of using the Nikon NEF format and its associated software. Even as a long-time Canonian, I have to admit that Nikon has done a slightly better job in this area. If you use normal contrast instead of auto on the D100, it should much sharper images (before post-processing) than my EOS 10D with constrast setting at +2. If you do more research, you will probably be convinced that the EOS D60 is a better camera, as a whole, for those who cares about image quality.

The only thing I like about my 10D over the Nikon D100 is the high-speed sync, which is missing on the latter.

Oh...someone will soon be saying that I am saying too much about my new EOS 10D again. I hope you will sound like a more educated person that some of the others.

Have fun with whatever you new toy is =)
 
I have much sharper pictures from the 10D versus the D100. More detail from the 10D as well. (used 24-85 USM on 10D and 24-85 AFS on D100, at f/8.0).

-Jack
eosfreak said:
I bought an EOS 10D slightly more than a month ago. It is quite
disappointing, as the camera does not live up to its hype. Are you
sure you want to switch?

The EOS 10D also underexpose significantly indoors. Outdoor shot
tends to overexpose. Images from the 10D is at least 2x softer
than your D100, that I have also tried. The RAW conversion on the
Canon is in no way comparable to the convenience of using the Nikon
NEF format and its associated software. Even as a long-time
Canonian, I have to admit that Nikon has done a slightly better job
in this area. If you use normal contrast instead of auto on the
D100, it should much sharper images (before post-processing) than
my EOS 10D with constrast setting at +2. If you do more research,
you will probably be convinced that the EOS D60 is a better camera,
as a whole, for those who cares about image quality.

The only thing I like about my 10D over the Nikon D100 is the
high-speed sync, which is missing on the latter.

Oh...someone will soon be saying that I am saying too much about my
new EOS 10D again. I hope you will sound like a more educated
person that some of the others.

Have fun with whatever you new toy is =)
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eosfreak said:
Images from the 10D is at least 2x softer
than your D100, that I have also tried.
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Thanks everyone. No offense eosfreak... but how did you test this? I have seen quite a few tests with my own eyes where the sharpness of the 10D is night and day sharp compared to that of the D100.

Look at the test images from here at dpreview...

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos10d/page22.asp
Look at the res target shots.

It looks pretty clear to me that the 10D image is much sharper.
 
blulegend said:
I have much sharper pictures from the 10D versus the D100. More
detail from the 10D as well. (used 24-85 USM on 10D and 24-85 AFS
on D100, at f/8.0).

-Jack
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Jack... that is great to hear. This is my exact combo. Used the 24-85 AFS on the D100 and i'll be getting the 24-85 USM for the new cam. I'll also be getting the 100mm 2.8 USM Macro. Can't wait to see this. Rumored to be Canon's "sharpest" lense.
 
Except the instant on of the D100. Longer battery life. Slightly more comfortable grip, to me. More settings can be set using external buttons.

But I like the 10D more otherwise.

-Jack
Kev King said:
blulegend said:
I have much sharper pictures from the 10D versus the D100. More
detail from the 10D as well. (used 24-85 USM on 10D and 24-85 AFS
on D100, at f/8.0).

-Jack
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Jack... that is great to hear. This is my exact combo. Used the
24-85 AFS on the D100 and i'll be getting the 24-85 USM for the new
cam. I'll also be getting the 100mm 2.8 USM Macro. Can't wait to
see this. Rumored to be Canon's "sharpest" lense.
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Like most products, there are good and bad examples, my 10D is just fine adn i've not suffered any of the problems highlighted by eosfreak bar the blowing out of the highlights in certainl situations , but that's easy to get around until canon tweak the firmware (just meter for the bright bits) it IS still on version - 1 .. My D60 is just fine too, yeah the AF isn't too brilliant but it never stopped me from getting good shots :)

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Welcome Kev,

Just a word of caution... Beware the Vocal Minority! Yes there are those who have got real issues with their 10D cameras and these post have kinda taken over the forum of late, but then there are MANY of us who have no exposure problems, no focus problems, no erection problems etc etc. :-)

As you are aware these forums reach far and wide and it is easy to find those with issues, but I firmly believe that these are indeed in the minority. Users without issue tend not to go running of to forums to tell all.

Cameras are like any mass produced product these days and despite the manufacturers best efforts some slip through the cracks. Are 100% of buyers happy with their last GM car purchase? No of course not, but considering the amount sold, most must be otherwise we wouldn't be able to hear ourselves think for all the noise.

Once again welcome.

Russell
Kev King said:
Hello all. I wanted to introduce myself over here on the Canon
side of the fence. ;-) I was fairly active on the Nikon forum
about 6 months back, but don't think I posted much over here.

Anyway... I have recently made up my mind to switch camps. Up
until a few days ago, I used a D100 and had a collection of 3
lenses. After 6 months of use, and the release of the 10D, it's
time.

I put a lot of time into figuring it out, but I eventually got
burned out on the soft images and poor exposure I have always
gotten on the D100. I even wrote an in-depth article about the
custom tone curves... they helped, but it still wasn't quite there.

The D60 wasn't available when I got the D100, and thus my choice.
Now I'm kind of glad I didn't get the 60 because it is easier to
justify the 10D purchase.

Anyway, thanks in advance for all the great info here on the site.
Between reading this forum and others over the last few weeks, I
feel like I already know the new camera. I'll be placing an order
this week and (hopefully) it will show up in the next month or so.
Till' then I'm outty a shutter. :-)
Click to expand...
 
eosfreak said:
I bought an EOS 10D slightly more than a month ago. It is quite
disappointing, as the camera does not live up to its hype. Are you
sure you want to switch?
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........................ I was adding the 10D too but extensive reports suggest that it is not the minimum that I require and overall, not as good as the D100, overall – there are many, many faucets where the10D is better, it just so happens that a few areas where it is not are important to me, like start up, wake up, low light AF and nippiness.

Based on my reports, and the chance to switch my D1x for a 1D I’ve taken the opportunity to do so sooner, however, I had resigned myself that the 10D was going to be a very short lived camera in my system (probably).

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Kev,

I think you will be very happy with the 100mm macro from Canon. I use it as my standard long lens in my travel kit. I also have a 28-135mm IS, but the image quality is so much better with the 100 macro that I usually only carry the 100, the 15-30 Sigma and then a 50mm 1.4 for low light and in-between focal length.

-Bill.
Kev King said:
blulegend said:
I have much sharper pictures from the 10D versus the D100. More
detail from the 10D as well. (used 24-85 USM on 10D and 24-85 AFS
on D100, at f/8.0).

-Jack
Click to expand...
Jack... that is great to hear. This is my exact combo. Used the
24-85 AFS on the D100 and i'll be getting the 24-85 USM for the new
cam. I'll also be getting the 100mm 2.8 USM Macro. Can't wait to
see this. Rumored to be Canon's "sharpest" lense.
Click to expand...
 
Hi Kev,

Welcome aboard. I think you'll be happy with Canon gear. I switched from Pentax myself a while back.
-Kevin

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If you dislike your EOS 10D so much, why do you still have it? You could sell it and buy a used D60. Or if you think the D100 is the better camera, then switch to the D100.

Why keep a camera you don't like and continue to complain about it?

Joo
eosfreak said:
I bought an EOS 10D slightly more than a month ago. It is quite
disappointing, as the camera does not live up to its hype. Are you
sure you want to switch?

The EOS 10D also underexpose significantly indoors. Outdoor shot
tends to overexpose. Images from the 10D is at least 2x softer
than your D100, that I have also tried. The RAW conversion on the
Canon is in no way comparable to the convenience of using the Nikon
NEF format and its associated software. Even as a long-time
Canonian, I have to admit that Nikon has done a slightly better job
in this area. If you use normal contrast instead of auto on the
D100, it should much sharper images (before post-processing) than
my EOS 10D with constrast setting at +2. If you do more research,
you will probably be convinced that the EOS D60 is a better camera,
as a whole, for those who cares about image quality.

The only thing I like about my 10D over the Nikon D100 is the
high-speed sync, which is missing on the latter.

Oh...someone will soon be saying that I am saying too much about my
new EOS 10D again. I hope you will sound like a more educated
person that some of the others.

Have fun with whatever you new toy is =)
Click to expand...
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Kev King said:
eosfreak said:
Images from the 10D is at least 2x softer
than your D100, that I have also tried.
Click to expand...
Thanks everyone. No offense eosfreak... but how did you test this?
I have seen quite a few tests with my own eyes where the sharpness
of the 10D is night and day sharp compared to that of the D100.

Look at the test images from here at dpreview...

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos10d/page22.asp
Look at the res target shots.

It looks pretty clear to me that the 10D image is much sharper.
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... and he gets fed rather often. You'll find some people here who have gotten a sub-par unit and will often flame the whole line because THEIRS is bad. You probably noticed the same behavior on the Nikon SLR forum so you know what I'm talking about. Anyway, enjoy the 10D.
 
Joo said:
If you dislike your EOS 10D so much, why do you still have it? You
could sell it and buy a used D60. Or if you think the D100 is the
better camera, then switch to the D100.

Why keep a camera you don't like and continue to complain about it?

Joo
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...doesn't have a 10D.
 
Definitely get a 100/2.8 macro. It is really a great lens. I also have 24-85/3.5-4.5 but since getting 10D, I'm finding myself using my prime setup (24/2.8, 50/1.4 and 100/2.8 macro) more often. I also can heartily recommend 70-200/4L, an excellent lens, if you need some distance.

Just to let you salivate, here is an example ( by no means a perfect one) of what can 10d w/ 100 macro do:

Keep in mind, this was shot @ ISO 800, handheld @ f4.5 and 1/160s:



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Rich
 
Your thoughts and actions very closely mirrored my own -- "great minds think alike"!!

I bought a Nikon D100 last June plus several Nikon-fit lenses (both Nikkor and third-party), however two weeks ago I traded it all in for a Canon 10D plus a couple of Canon lenses. I took a significant financial hit in the wallet, but after using the 10D for two weeks fairly heavily I have no doubt that I made the correct decision. The D100 is nice (I was extremely pleased with most of the images I got from it and I greatly enjoyed using it) however, overall the 10D is the better camera by some considerable distance -- better AF, better metering, better image quality, better build and handling (and much quieter than the D100 in terms of shutter/mirror noise!).

My only real gripes with the 10D are its start-up/wake-up time (much slower than the D100, although in all other respects (such as image playback and zooming etc) the two cameras are very similar in speed of operation), and the lack of true spot-metering (which the D100 does have).

Terry.
Kev King said:
Hello all. I wanted to introduce myself over here on the Canon
side of the fence. ;-) I was fairly active on the Nikon forum
about 6 months back, but don't think I posted much over here.

Anyway... I have recently made up my mind to switch camps. Up
until a few days ago, I used a D100 and had a collection of 3
lenses. After 6 months of use, and the release of the 10D, it's
time.

I put a lot of time into figuring it out, but I eventually got
burned out on the soft images and poor exposure I have always
gotten on the D100. I even wrote an in-depth article about the
custom tone curves... they helped, but it still wasn't quite there.

The D60 wasn't available when I got the D100, and thus my choice.
Now I'm kind of glad I didn't get the 60 because it is easier to
justify the 10D purchase.

Anyway, thanks in advance for all the great info here on the site.
Between reading this forum and others over the last few weeks, I
feel like I already know the new camera. I'll be placing an order
this week and (hopefully) it will show up in the next month or so.
Till' then I'm outty a shutter. :-)
Click to expand...
 
Kev King said:
Anyway, thanks in advance for all the great info here on the site.
Between reading this forum and others over the last few weeks, I
feel like I already know the new camera.
Click to expand...
... posting questions that have been answered days ago. I very rare
thing we see here.

My Two Cents

Bill
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Well, I'm also a "camp switcher." Traded my D100 for the 10D a while back and am not looking back. I went thru a lot of angst over the move since the D100 was my first SLR in a very long time, and just loved it. However, my experience has been very positive. I'm not seeing any of the focus, color, or other issues which a few very loud and prolific individuals seem to want to remind us of -- constantly. Overall, I find the image quality to be comparable, however, the 10D's ability to handle long exposures with minimal noise WAY surpasses the D100's (and that was the primary reason I decided to swap cameras, since I'm a budding astrophotographer). I find the image quality, sharpness, etc. at least comparable, if not better in some cases.

As you've heard from others here, strongly suggest you look past the "noise" and recognize that the vast majority of people who participate in this forum are 100% delighted with their purchase. And a few, who may well be seeing legitimate problems, find the need to remind us of them again, and again, and again, ... ad nauseum (eosfreak, hugo, et al, you know who you are). It's hard not to let these sorts of posts chase folks away, but buried among the noise is some truly invaluable information, which has really helped my learning curve and ramp up more quickly on this wonderful new toy.

Hope your own experience will be similar to mine, and you'll be delighted with the 10D.

Jerry
 
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