Comparison EOS 1DS & Phase One H20 Digiback

Peter Sills said:

Again, if you are a Mac user, and that is what you know and love,
then I have no argument as you are making an informed decision.
However, if you are new to digital photography and computers, I am
strongly recommending Windows XP systems to all of my clients for
the following reasons.

1. Vastly greater universe of software, support, shareware, hardware.
2. Vastly greater speed opportunites.
3. Vastly greater connectivity options, drivers, cameras, printer
support.
4. Much cheaper for "bang for the buck".

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Peter,

You left off another major feature, expandibility.

Also I have yet to find a Mac cataloguing software that has the same ability to quickly locate off computer image files as is available for PC's. This above all, is the biggest advantage to me.

I have both systems, and both Mac's and PC's are now very reliable and both have their advantages, but as you say Peter, I also believe that for someone starting out with digital photography in mind, the PC computer system has more advantages than Mac's, and not to mention value for money!

Geoff

I must completely agree with what Peter and Geoff said, and I would even go further; even if you ar in graphic design and prepress there is no real reason anymore to prefer the Mac over the PC. All the mainstream software (Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Xpress, Coreldraw, Freehand etc etc) is equally available on both platforms and is 100% identical in interface and functionality. In my company (5 people fulltime in graphic design and prepress) we never had one Mac and we never felt we missed it.

Geoff Ross said:

Peter Sills said:

Again, if you are a Mac user, and that is what you know and love,
then I have no argument as you are making an informed decision.
However, if you are new to digital photography and computers, I am
strongly recommending Windows XP systems to all of my clients for
the following reasons.

1. Vastly greater universe of software, support, shareware, hardware.
2. Vastly greater speed opportunites.
3. Vastly greater connectivity options, drivers, cameras, printer
support.
4. Much cheaper for "bang for the buck".

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Peter,

You left off another major feature, expandibility.

Also I have yet to find a Mac cataloguing software that has the
same ability to quickly locate off computer image files as is
available for PC's. This above all, is the biggest advantage to me.

I have both systems, and both Mac's and PC's are now very reliable
and both have their advantages, but as you say Peter, I also
believe that for someone starting out with digital photography in
mind, the PC computer system has more advantages than Mac's, and
not to mention value for money!

Geoff

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I can't remark about the Phase One back, but I also use a Betterlight Scanback on a 4x5 (for 2-D copy work) and a Canon D60 for living subjects, and I will say that the Betterlight has far more resolution than the Canon, but of course you are dealing with files that are 10x as large, and are probably overkill for most images. Often I use the Betterlight at 50% or 75% resolution and it is more than sufficeint.

As for the test images, the Phase one is much better, but I feel as though there is more than the Camera/Back or internal sharpening showing in the image. For starters, the Phase One is imaged through a 120mm (I assume Zeiss Planar) prime lens at f:11 and the Canon is imaged with a zoom lens (although a good one) at f:16. Normally you would assume that the zoom lens would be at a disadvantage and it shows here in less resoultion but also oddly less depth of field which is strange as it was stopped down a full stop further. I would think also diffraction at f:16 (as opposed to f:11) is worse, and internal reflections on the elements would also work to the zoom lens disadvantage.

Suggest you look at what you will be doing with the digital camera, as that would also determine which camera is better for you. If you shoot studio work, the Phase One allows much greater resolution and versatility, but if you do outside work such as sports or nature photography, the Canon is the better choice for portability.

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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Checked into this.

Preliminary spec written by both Apple and Sony (Apple's called Firewire, Sony's called iLink).

Ratified (with changes) as IEEE-1394.

Sony deploys first in camcorders, Apple in computers.

Peter

Mike Fulton said:

Peter Sills said:

6. The Macintosh has been at the forefront of hardware innovations,
such as Firewire (developed by Sony). Though the current Macs
borrow heavily from the PC (PCI bus, EIDE drives, USB ports, etc.)

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One point of correction. The Firewire standard was actually first
created by Apple, then later developed and ratified by the IEEE
1394 commitee.

However, despite having created it, Apple didn't actually do
anything with it right away, and Sony was the first company to
actually incorporate it into shipping products, as part of their
MiniDV camcorders

With regards to computers, Firewire interfaces came out for both
Mac and PC at about the same time, but it became popular first on
the Mac platform because Apple made it a standard built-in
interface starting with the blue G3 towers in early '99.

Firewire didn't really start to become popular on the PC until
after Windows 2000 and Windows ME shipped with native Firewire
support.

Mike

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--
Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net

Luc Depuydt said:

I must completely agree with what Peter and Geoff said, and I would
even go further; even if you ar in graphic design and prepress

there is no real reason anymore to prefer the Mac over the PC> > You left off another major feature, expandibility.

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I have to agree with Peter, Geoff, and Luc. I Have owned both platforms, but for todays 35mm sized digital photography, the PC is more practical if your just starting out (for all the reasons meantioned eariler).

But one fact has not been clearly stated: all digital cameras except for high-end capture backs (and scan backs) use a DOS based filing system. Managing and trouble shooting CF cards is easier on a PC, than for me than on a MAC (plus I have always been annoyed by the MAC depositing those little files on CF cards when they are supposed to be just reading them). I have had friends mess up their CF cards on a MAC ( and they thought the images were lost) that were a piece of cake for me to recover on a PC (without special recovery tools).

So for me, if I was mainly shooting 35mm sized or smaller digicams I would definately first choose a PC. If I were mainly shooting with a medium format digi-back, then I may have to use a MAC.

Final thoughts for the guy with the original post. From what I have seen the MAC's LCD screens are some of the best (if not the very best), but for critical image work I'll continue to choose a CRT (At least for my main screen. LCD's are great as a second screen). I have yet to see a LCD that matches the color accuracy, contrast accuracy, and off axis continuity of a CRT.

--Joseph

Miike Collins said:

Not trying to start a flame but.....

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You're not. You're being quite polite and reasonable.

photolando said:

I can agree that both a PC or Mac will work well with digital
shooters. The one arguement I always hea,r but never agree with,
is that the Windows platform will let you use 'more programs'.
PLEASE tell me, from a digital photography or artisitic/creative
viewpoint, what programs are only available for Windows.

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OK, here goes. Just "top of my head" stuff.

Sharp Control and Photo Control (By Vtie, a regular contributor to dpReview, and an expert on medical imaging). These programs are easy to use implementations of advanced sharpening techniques such as Van Cittert deconvolution and edge finding.

Qimage (By Mike Cheny, another regular contributer to this site). Not only the best multiple image printing program out there, but an excellent program for printing single images, also full of advanced algorithms such as Mike's "vector interpolation".

PTgui and PT Assembler. (Both, amazingly enough by regular contributors to this site). Front ends for Panoram Tools. Both these programs are very full featured, and support the latest alignment modes. They're actively developed, and the authors are rather competative with each other, so they're both growing nicely. The competing PT Mac is dated by comparison.

PT Lens, the automatic lens abberation correction plugin for PhotoShop.

I do my own software development using the wxWindows library, so theoretically, most of what I do can port to Mac, but I've never actually put any effort into making that work.

photolando said:

Or ANY
really 'needed' program is only available for the Windows program.

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3D Studio Max. Renderman. Character Studio. Anything really important in the 3D world. Remember, this kind of stuff evolved in the UNIX world, and started getting seriously ported to the PC around 10 years ago when Windows NT 3.5 started getting accepted seriously. Mac OS-X, being 13 years late (scheduled to ship in late 1989, finally working in 2002) missed that entire field.

Naturally speaking, ViaVoice, or any major speech recognition application. Again, apps that were on the PC for years, and didn't ship for the Mac until OS-X.

photolando said:

Games? Who cares?

As a professional digital photographer, with both platforms, I have
never seen a program I needed for my work that wasn't available for
a Mac.

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HDI editors?

Ciao!

Joe

Well thanks for the posts, interesting reading.
This was not meant to be Mac or PC though!

I'm getting a MAC and a 20 inch LCD...........toooo late!

As for getting more programmes on the PC, well what more do I want apart from Photoshop? It does also seem that alot of the capture software have alot more capabilities on a Mac fro what I have seen.

Anyway, for sheer performance, is there really a PC that can keep up with a 1.42 Ghz dual with 2 gigs RAM, SCSI hard discs??

It will emulate my PC faster than my PC!

When you're working with big files speed is the essence, don't want to be waiting for it all the time!

I was just trying to show, that even though the Phase one is better, it is considerably more expensive and has to be always tethered to a computer, not something that is always possible.

It's great that the canon comes so close, good job, I've just ordered one!

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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OSX is based on BSD, not Linux.

That's the joy of Unix, more variations than those in Nikon lens mounts

graphius said:

I love these apple vs pc arguments even better than the nikon vs
canon strings.
seriously though, I wonder if mac using the linux core will
eventually give linux some market share. competition is always good

oh, and please keep these flame wars going, I love watching people
make fools of themselves.....

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LCDs are very "sexy", but CRTs are still much better for imaging.

I am a Mac user & I'm not switching platforms, but the PC does run most applications faster. You'll won't be able to run programs from within PC emulation anywhere near as fast as on true PC. Programs such as Yarc+ run very slow under PC emulation.

Regards,
Bern Caughey

While I am sure you will love the Mac, please see comments below!

phardy said:

Well thanks for the posts, interesting reading.
This was not meant to be Mac or PC though!

I'm getting a MAC and a 20 inch LCD...........toooo late!

As for getting more programmes on the PC, well what more do I want
apart from Photoshop? It does also seem that alot of the capture
software have alot more capabilities on a Mac fro what I have seen.

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Most of the capture software is a secondary thought on the Mac. You will see a lot of complaining from the Mac camp that the PC versions are more complete and more often updated.

As for what do you want more than Photoshop. Well, that one nearly knocked me out of my chair!!! You are spending A LOT of money on a camera and system, and if that is really what you think, then I am afraid you are going to be sorry in a couple of months when you are able to answer that question and find yourself sorely limited.

phardy said:

Anyway, for sheer performance, is there really a PC that can keep
up with a 1.42 Ghz dual with 2 gigs RAM, SCSI hard discs??

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EASILY, I just built a Photoshop specific Windows XP pc. We benchmarked it in Windows vs. a MAc specified quite similarly to what you have just mentioned here. Not only was the PC MUCH faster, it was also MUCH cheaper. You might want to jump on over to the PC Tools forum and as for Hyperfish. He is the resident expert and can really put together a system which would FLY!!!

phardy said:

It will emulate my PC faster than my PC!

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You must have a VERY SLOW PC!

phardy said:

When you're working with big files speed is the essence, don't want
to be waiting for it all the time!

I was just trying to show, that even though the Phase one is
better, it is considerably more expensive and has to be always
tethered to a computer, not something that is always possible.

It's great that the canon comes so close, good job, I've just
ordered one!

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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--
Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net

Peter Sills said:

Checked into this.

Preliminary spec written by both Apple and Sony (Apple's called
Firewire, Sony's called iLink).

Ratified (with changes) as IEEE-1394.

Sony deploys first in camcorders, Apple in computers.

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Sony didn't get involved until after Apple had passed it off to the IEEE-1394 committee.

I worked at Sony at the time. It was actually kind of a surprising move, because Sony tends to have a reluctance to adopt new things that it didn't invent. But they wanted a high speed interface for the new MiniDV camcorders, and there was no other serial solution that would handle the required throughput. (A parallel solution like SCSI wasn't practical simply because of the size of the connectors.)

Mike

Member said:

Peter

Mike Fulton said:

Peter Sills said:

6. The Macintosh has been at the forefront of hardware innovations,
such as Firewire (developed by Sony). Though the current Macs
borrow heavily from the PC (PCI bus, EIDE drives, USB ports, etc.)

Click to expand...

One point of correction. The Firewire standard was actually first
created by Apple, then later developed and ratified by the IEEE
1394 commitee.

However, despite having created it, Apple didn't actually do
anything with it right away, and Sony was the first company to
actually incorporate it into shipping products, as part of their
MiniDV camcorders

With regards to computers, Firewire interfaces came out for both
Mac and PC at about the same time, but it became popular first on
the Mac platform because Apple made it a standard built-in
interface starting with the blue G3 towers in early '99.

Firewire didn't really start to become popular on the PC until
after Windows 2000 and Windows ME shipped with native Firewire
support.

Mike

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--
Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net

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I've used both Mac and PC in a professional environment, and I'd say they're very similar except for two things : Price and Upgrades. You really can't upgrade a Mac once you've got it, not like you can a PC. And the top of the line Macs run about 4 grand, and aren't as fast as a top of the line $2500 PC. I think it was Luminous Landscape that did a review of a PC Laptop vs a dual G4 in converting RAW files from the canon software. The Cheaper PC Laptop got better benchmarks.

I rebuild my computer every 8 months to a year. I keep the stuff that's still competetive, and replace what's not. I keep my hard drives (IDE RAID, can't beat that in a mac, not in terms of dollar per GB.) and my RAM, sometimes the video card, and replace the MB and proc. Keep the case, power supply, etc. Costs between 400 and 800 every time I do it, and my system stays top of the line. Again, can't do that with a Mac, and all my software works. My system will run circles around anything short of a high end workstation.

Last thing : if you spent the same dollar amount on a real PC, you'd be amazed. For 4 grand, you can get dual 2.5 GHZ pentium 4's, two gigs of RAM, about 300 GB of SCSI RAID drive space, firewire, ethernet, and a kickass video card.

Just like everything else, computers are a tool you use to achieve whatever ends you want. I prefer to get the most for my money, and Mac's aren't it.

Russ

I understand that it was not your intention for this to become Mac or PC, however I do find it interesting that you point out that your Mac emulates a PC. Is this really an advantage to you or is it that you are emulating something you should have bought in the first place. I also own both systems, and if I had to choose it would be the PC.

Jason

phardy said:

I'm getting a MAC and a 20 inch LCD...........toooo late!

As for getting more programmes on the PC, well what more do I want
apart from Photoshop? It does also seem that alot of the capture
software have alot more capabilities on a Mac fro what I have seen.

Anyway, for sheer performance, is there really a PC that can keep
up with a 1.42 Ghz dual with 2 gigs RAM, SCSI hard discs??

It will emulate my PC faster than my PC!

When you're working with big files speed is the essence, don't want
to be waiting for it all the time!

I was just trying to show, that even though the Phase one is
better, it is considerably more expensive and has to be always
tethered to a computer, not something that is always possible.

It's great that the canon comes so close, good job, I've just
ordered one!

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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Jason Stoller [email protected]

We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their new products!

Just ordered my 1.42 Ghz dual, so it's too late now.

My brother in law who is a computer wiz switched from PC to Mac and has not looked back, and I am pretty sure it won't be such a bad decision as you all make out, I trust his thought's totally.

Also, it's not only speed. It's layout, everything seems to be better laid out, and more pleasing on the eye.

Don't care what you all say, I think I chose wisely.......we'll see.

Look around in the design industry, every one uses mac's.
Did Peter Jackson edit Lord of the rings on a PC?

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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Oh great! First - "I need your advice guys" then "I don´t care what you all say". MAC has turned him into a ZOMBIE ;-)

phardy said:

My brother in law who is a computer wiz switched from PC to Mac and
has not looked back, and I am pretty sure it won't be such a bad
decision as you all make out, I trust his thought's totally.

Also, it's not only speed. It's layout, everything seems to be
better laid out, and more pleasing on the eye.

Don't care what you all say, I think I chose wisely.......we'll see.

Look around in the design industry, every one uses mac's.
Did Peter Jackson edit Lord of the rings on a PC?

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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At least you had sense to get a Canon....!

it is sometimes tough fo us Nikon/Mac users here! : )

Good luck,

Juuso
http://www.pbase.com/juuso

phardy said:

Just ordered my 1.42 Ghz dual, so it's too late now.

My brother in law who is a computer wiz switched from PC to Mac and
has not looked back, and I am pretty sure it won't be such a bad
decision as you all make out, I trust his thought's totally.

Also, it's not only speed. It's layout, everything seems to be
better laid out, and more pleasing on the eye.

Don't care what you all say, I think I chose wisely.......we'll see.

Look around in the design industry, every one uses mac's.
Did Peter Jackson edit Lord of the rings on a PC?

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--
http://www.pbase.com/juuso

Good luck with the new system.

However, when you switch, and you will, let us know how we can help. ;-}

Nah, the Mac is a fine machine if that is what you like go for it. You should also find yourself some good digital photographers who are also using Macs, so that they can point you towards some of the work arounds and other tricks which might make it easier to use on a daily basis as part of your workflow. A good place to start is the Mac Tools forum here on DPReview.

You might also want to check out: http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/perfectfocusinosx/apple/

Enjoy!

Peter

phardy said:

My brother in law who is a computer wiz switched from PC to Mac and
has not looked back, and I am pretty sure it won't be such a bad
decision as you all make out, I trust his thought's totally.

Also, it's not only speed. It's layout, everything seems to be
better laid out, and more pleasing on the eye.

Don't care what you all say, I think I chose wisely.......we'll see.

Look around in the design industry, every one uses mac's.
Did Peter Jackson edit Lord of the rings on a PC?

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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--
Peter Sills
Digital Focus
http://www.digitalfocus.net

Here's the article I mentioned earlier.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-4869-4882#conclusion

Real numbers indicating that cheaper single proc PC's outperform top of the line mac's. I feel sorry for Apple. I want there to be stiff competition with Bill Gates, I really do. But higher costing, lower performing equipment is not competition.

Russ

I'm a long time Mac user so I'm a little biased here But I think you made the right choice. Mac's DO just work. Absolute speed for specific tasks don't matter much if you spend twice as long navigating around in a non intuitive user environment. I have used both PC's and Mac's and every time I am forced to work on the pc, I am constantly astounded at how illogical just being in the finder and doing basic tasks are. Oh, and here is a nice speed test of your new 1.42GHz dual against a Pentium 4 3.06Ghz. The Pentium wins over the Mac in all but one task. Which task you ask? Multi Processor aware Photoshop actions! Gee, think you will spend any time in that program? http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html Point is, I'm sure any of us could get used to using a Mac OR a PC and be happy. They are just tools after all. Enjoy your new Mac and if you have any questions whatsoever, just ask.

Tariq
Tariq.com

phardy said:

My brother in law who is a computer wiz switched from PC to Mac and
has not looked back, and I am pretty sure it won't be such a bad
decision as you all make out, I trust his thought's totally.

Also, it's not only speed. It's layout, everything seems to be
better laid out, and more pleasing on the eye.

Don't care what you all say, I think I chose wisely.......we'll see.

Look around in the design industry, every one uses mac's.
Did Peter Jackson edit Lord of the rings on a PC?

phardy said:

After much reading and research, looks like I will be joining the
digital revolution this week big time, just sold my car and will be
buying and EOS 1DS, and Apple power Mac G4 and 20 LCD this week,
with no previous Mac experience!
Talk about in at the deep end!
I shoot stock, so I need large files, and colour management is
better on aMac I've been told, and might aswell get something
pretty fast, don't want to be constantly waiting for it.

Anyway, came across this site, it's a comparison between the EOS
1DS and the Phase One H20 digital Back.
I was all for getting a digital back until last week.
Had a test done between the Kodak 645 Plus and the EOS 1DS and the
EOS looked out of focus in comparison.........untill someone told
me that's because some cameras have in built sharpening and others
it's in the software, so there could be very little in it.

http://www.ampimage.com/H20%20image/Test003.html

Well as you will see, there is not alot in it, considering how much
more the Phase-One H20 is, about $20000, compared to $8000 for the
Canon.

Would be interested to hear from any EOS 1ds owners, I think there
is a steep learning curve ahead of me!

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Some of the speed problems are due to the software being originally designed for the PC & then ported to the Mac. Japan is notorious for this & appear to do no original programing for Mac. BB & ACR run much closer in speed to the PC, but the high horsepower PCs can usually perform more tasks quicker. I never have speed problems on Mac, except during batching.

Regards,
Bern Caughey