So, no new DSLR. What's your take?

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Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??

Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.

just wonderin'
rich
 
'D2X' September 1.5X 10.543mp?

What I'd like to see is something like an F100 with that sensor size, low noise, High ISO

one can always wish.

and no, it doesn't matter.

I'd rather see a great new camera with real advantages than an incremental change.

until then, I'll just have to keep sticking the rubber back on to my beloved 'old' D1X

kind regards
jono slack
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??

Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this
year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D
series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.

just wonderin'
rich
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With the web trade shows don't matter that much and all else being equal, bigger sensors mean better images (film or digital) so FF is inevitable at some point. Pros will want it.

If you're basing your predictions on lens announcements, they just release the 70-200 VR and the 24-120 VR was announced after the 12-24.
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??

Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this
year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D
series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.

just wonderin'
rich
 
pdw,

My thought process was this. They just spent big bucks to design a new seires of lens for the D line, that's all.. (i'm really hoping for a CCD upgrade, that's all!!!) I figured the 70-200 etc.. work on the F-mount.

happy shooting,
rich
If you're basing your predictions on lens announcements, they just
release the 70-200 VR and the 24-120 VR was announced after the
12-24.
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??

Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this
year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D
series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.

just wonderin'
rich
 
they'll be able to produce FF imagers with a cost difference (from a 1.5x imager) that is less than the 1250 price tag of the DX lenses. At that point, they'll start making FF cameras.

Happy day.

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Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
 
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA?
Dunno..
Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Nup
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??
Yep
Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this
year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D
series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.
I Agree
just wonderin'
rich
 
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??
Considering the D100 is only seven (7) months old, "new" is a relative term. Also, remember that the D60 was released a number of months before the D100 as well. Basing things more upon that kind of timing, I'd say Nikon will announce something within the next three (3) months and release it shortly thereafter.

Brendan
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I think they'll have an entirely 'new' design to replace the D1x/h. I think they'll announce an upgraded D100, just to keep up with the new Canon 10D (i think that's the model)

Of course I"m just guessing, I have no inside info etc.. Just an uneducated guess!!

rich
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??
Considering the D100 is only seven (7) months old, "new" is a
relative term. Also, remember that the D60 was released a number of
months before the D100 as well. Basing things more upon that kind
of timing, I'd say Nikon will announce something within the next
three (3) months and release it shortly thereafter.

Brendan
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dangerous man!
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................ they should have had cameras already. We were expecting an announcement last September, which made an announcement pretty mandatory this February.

....................... This long a delay means they have a problem or, they as likely scrapped a release altogether and announced plan B, sorry lads we failed to make FF so we are giving up and this is what we offer instead (DX lens approach and a tweak to double the existing pixels).

Then they readdress their existing camera line up and start hobbling something together in a hurry.

Nikon will have new cameras, in fact they will most likely now launch a totally new range simultaneously, like what Canon are doing over the next nine months. There almost certainly will be something for everybody but they have both a real deadline this year and a credibility factor to overcome.

What the new cameras will be is very predictable but as I see Nikon working under increased duress, financial constraints, market positioning and esteem I see the new product line targeting a different audience than the traditionalist Nikon buff might have wanted.
 
Is that quite a few people are upset that Nikon "missed the boat". Now that Canon blew their load (no pun intended), Nikon only has to take that and make it better.

Sure they are going to introduce upgrades accross the board. BUT, take time and make it right. I for one would not leave Nikon now. For what? Like Yves says over and over and over...."Its not the camera that takes the picture."

I for one am glad Nikon is waiting. Why not, take whats best now on the market and make it better. Plain and simple. Plus, if I had chosen the D60 over my D100, I would be pretty bummed, but hey..one can wait forever for upgrades.

Nikon didn't get where they're at by making mistakes. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if all the camera manufactures shared the same bed. Think of how much money they make on people that switch over and over from N to C to N to O to F to whatever is hot today...

Sheesh, let me have a slice of that pie.....
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??

Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this
year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D
series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.

just wonderin'
rich
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I for one am glad Nikon is waiting. Why not, take whats best now
on the market and make it better. Plain and simple.
It had better be "better". I can totally invision them just coming out with a D1x with twice the pixels. That wouldn't have been worth the wait. They could have done that six months ago.

If they dont come out with FF (and I dont think they will), they're going to make a lot of people very unhappy with them.

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Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
 
I have the D100 and am very happy with it.

I think with the D100's success as well as their other lines, Nikon has no real need to compete to get the latest and greatest out. Depends on your wants and needs. For me an amateur, the D100 is a really great camera. I am not ready for anything newer at this point.
 
I don't care, I don't mind waiting, at long as what comes out is revolutionary and not just better specs.

A New body design, Original unheard of features, and all around spec upgrade to keep up with technology.

If the D2 is just better specs I will be disappointed it took them this long...

The only reason I was concerned at PMA was that it made me think Nikon is falling behind in the game they revolutionized with the D1.

But now they have raised the ante by making us wait, now I expect more!

Does anyone agree with me?

-Kyle Coburn
I have the D100 and am very happy with it.
I think with the D100's success as well as their other lines, Nikon
has no real need to compete to get the latest and greatest out.
Depends on your wants and needs. For me an amateur, the D100 is a
really great camera. I am not ready for anything newer at this
point.
 
Would a simple D100 buffer upgrade be enough of an upgrade for that level of DSLR? For me it would. Just give me 2.5x the buffer and I will be satisfied for another 12-18mths.

As for the D2x, what about the possiblity of dropping the FOV crop to 1.3x rather than FF. (DX line-up is still valuable and you dont have to deal with the edge problems of FF on the sensor)

As for specs, I dont think you will see anything revolutionary (like a foveon sensor) However that bigger CCD will allow more photosites so the capability for better dynamic range is in reach. I cannot imagine requiring more than 8-9 megapixels for full spread magazine images.

Oh GUARANTEED BIGGER BUFFER on the D2 lineup
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??

Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this
year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D
series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.
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Nikon has many different user groups to satisfy:working PJ's,wedding shooters,nature and outdoor photographers,event photographers,keen amateurs,and also those who are looking for their very-first D-SLR. Nikon has lenses and flashes targeted to these varous segments as well. Nikon has enough glass to satisfy me and millions of others too. Nikon is about solutions for photographers. Canon seems to be a technology-driven company aimed at gear-heads and those who want/need/expect the camera to shoot for them,focus for them,and to be their status symbol. Canon pushes "technology" to those enamored of tech. Nikon's about the F-mount and people who want to make photos.

Success in satisfying the D100 segment of the market has been mixed. Some users are thrilled with its performance,while others are troubled to varying degrees by its performance with either in-camera JPEG or tone curve or color--or they are anxious for Nikon to market a camera that competes squarely with the new Canon 10D at $1500, or maybe even a bit less. Some D1x or D1h users are dissatified with some aspects of the D100's feature set,like flash synch speed limitations or color issues or frame rate/buffer,whatever. Comparing the D1-series body to their D100,they somehow find things to fault. Fuji and Canon have made inroads into Nikon's turf,and this bothers a lot of Nikonians I think.

A good portion of all the angst comes from the FF crowd, and also some comes from those who put in orders or eagerly awaited Kodak's 14n. Those who wanted to go digital,with the touted benefits of a FF sensor have been sorely disappointed by the slow,painful "delivery and birth" of the 14n,and by the sky-high Canon 1Ds price,and by the stellar reviews the 1Ds has received. In short, there's a lot of frustration directed toward Nikon for various perceived failures in delivering a new,improved F-mount D-SLR. I myself would like the option of something that images as well as the Fuji S2 or better,only with high-speed flash synch,rugged build and a decent,adjustable metering system,and precise, accurate metering. While the S2 delivers on the image end, its software absolutely,totally sucks, the metering system is very amateurish,and its coarse 1/2 stop controls on ISO,aperture,shutter,comp,and flash comp ALL make it nothing more than a stop-gap camera for me. Great imager the S2, but its rather crude,approximating exposure system,hot tone curves, and exposure controls make me want to simply scream at times.It's not a Nikon,that's for sure.

Canon's advancements and price drops are tempting many away from the fold,to that dark,nasty white-lens side. Canon's prices on 1Ds's subsidize their other bodies and R&D,while the glowing reviews of the 1Ds camera stir envy and jealousy from the working shooters who perceive Nikon as being behind the curve. And the lack of VR high-speed teles and VR in "normal,everyday" zooms,and the lack of AFS lenses where Canon has them, boils the blood of many long-time Nikon shooters.

In short, Nikon has a tough,demanding group of users to satisfy. I for one am confident that their next offerings will be good,and worth waiting for. Some of the gnashing of teeth and grass-is-greener talk,and defections to the dark side (EF mount),well I think those people will soon shut their mouths when Nikon again leads the pack in D-SLR design. It's a long race....Canon is the rabbit,Nikon is the tortoise. My money is on Nikon to win the race,slow and steady. Not "today", but "soon". There will be crying along the way, but I'm not ready to ditch the F-mount,and Kodak and Fuji's direction and offerings in TOTAL-package solutions both look pretty weak for the immediate future.

Nikon's gonna' rescue us all, but we have to wait just a while longer. If you need to jump ship right now, go ahead. Nobody cares. I could care less that Canon has newer offerings,or cheaper cameras-that just means they'll be out of date and behind the curve again in a very short while.

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Happy Shooting!
Derrel
 
My experience says that engineering isn't always able to march to the drum that sales or management would like to see.

I am certain that Nikon is coming out with something to compete with the 1Ds. I believe that Nikon is aiming for a camera that will be better than medium format film and maybe better than the 1Ds.

I think that when sales and management can get the engineering side to stop making that one last tweak and send it to production, Nikon will tell the world what they have been working on.

I just wish they would hurry up and do it so that Canon might have some motivation to lower the price of the 1Ds!!!
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................ inside two years and maybe never if DX sales are good and the current sensor size is accepted by enough to own at least ONE Nikon camera, they may never bother.

It is a difficult choice, FF has made many an angry shareholder already, the Holy Grail eludes many, and including Nikon with even Kodak on sticky wickets right now as well.

The problem as many see it is thus; no FF development by now and it may not be possible to restart development as the technology becomes cheaper, up to now a camera co. could charge what they liked for a product, a short few years ago Kodak products were some $28,000 and they reclaimed R&D sooner with sales, now also remember that digital at all was a serious advantage, today it’s standard so no self respecting professional or agency would dream of handing over this type of money again for even a vastly improved product.

So, ironically, as the digital prices fall, so does the value of sales, the opportunity for Nikon to launch an $11,000 FF camera has passed yet in the coming two years their R&D costs will actually rise against a depressing camera market on both financial and USP levels. Nikon’s FF in two years time will be one of three and possibly five FF competitors with as least one smaller sensor with FF lenses, not unlike the DX lenses, so, I am sceptical if Nikon will actually ever get the opportunity to offer FF at all in the future.

I am positive they have made an FF camera already and are either sitting on it or it’s already too expensive to manufacture or too buggy image wise.
 
Do you think Nikon just missed PMA? Does it really 'matter' if they
missed PMA with a new DSLR?
Do you think they'll put one out later this year??

Me?? I think either a new DSLR (1.5 factor) is coming later this
year. (the reason I say 1.5 is because of the new lenes 'for' the D
series.)
OR an upgrade for the D1x\D1h CCD.

just wonderin'
rich
What's my take? I just go out there and take more photos with what I've got now.
 

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