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It may have a primative 4 Megapixel CCD sensor, it's battery, interface and File system technology may be dated and it may suffer from niggles like banding and be useless for long exposures but it's far from being a toy, it's a tough well made durable sports camera which actually has working auto whitebalance - just a bit long in the tooth, that's all.

Whether I would choose one over a 10D is a moot point, there is more to life than autofocus ability and frames per second - if they come low enough in price, I may even re-investigate it myself - hopefully they WILL replace it with another speed monster and I hope it doesn't just become anotehr high speed low res curio like the 15FPS Olympus E100RS

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I rarely respond to comments having to do with anything other than real photography and art, but this goes way beyond the line. To liken any EOS camera to a "toy" is absurd. Moreover, I would argue that even a real toy in the hands of a master craftsman will produce art, whereas the finest, most expensive, instrument will remain the finest, most expensive instrument that takes dull pictures if that is all the "photographer" can do. Just take a look at what Jeff Alu does with a Kodak DC-280 (that's right, a Kodak DC-280!):

http://www.animalu.com/pics/photos.htm .

Really now, a 10D is a toy?!?
Paul Young said:
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DigitalCrazy said:
John-G said:
1. AF much much faster
2. 100% viewfinder
3. Controls more ergonomical
4. Weather sealing
5. 1/500th flash sync !!!
6. Ambient & flash exposure scales in viewfinder
7. 8fps
8. Firewire interface
9. 45 focus points, 7 of them being CROSS sensors
10. True spot meter
11. Better build quality
12. 1.3X mag factor
13. 1/16,000 max shutter speed
14. Extremely short viewfinder blackout during exposure

Sorry, that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
DigitalCrazy said:
If money is not an object and you could get the 1D over the 10D
what would be the reasons?
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max...usb 1.1 and 2.0 card readers are available so you don't need to go into your computer. usb 2.0 is about as fast as fire wire.
 
I guess my PC does have firewire. So when we get this 1D does it just connect using a firewire from the camera to the PC just like a USB cable would?

By the way, we got the 1D from Dell using our business account for only $3223.20 with 1 day shipping. Canceled our 10D order with Ritz. We cannow use our cash that we were going to use on the 10D from our personal money for lenses. I think we will start with the 50mm 1.4, the 100 2.8 macro, and the 70-200 L f/4. Then we will go ahead and sell the G3 we bought 3 weeks ago for probably 550.00. I think I have a buyer already on it. Someone who works with hubby.

Now I know we are,
Mr & Mrs. Digital Crazy
(no shock to us though)
 
I think you will find, if you compare the the noise performance of the 10D and the 1D via the Dpreview reviews, that both cameras are close and the 1D is better at some points on the ISO/noise curve where the 10D is better at other points. Compare the ISO 400,800 numbers and the 1D is better. At ISO 1600, they are about the same. At ISO 3200 the 10D is better. At 200 the 10D is slightly better as well.
Lin Evans said:
Paul Young said:
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Come on Paul, you should know better than that. They are both
cameras, and each has its strengths and weaknesses.

The 10D performs better on long exposures and looks considerably
cleaner at high ISO's. It's definitely "not" a toy.

The 1D is built like a tank with better autofocus and much faster
frame rate, much longer shutter life and has myriad other features
and versatility found in professional body instruments.

Lin
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I have the 1D and can't imagine ever giving it up except for a camera that would be its direct successor. That said, I'm strongly considering also getting a 10D, partly as a backup, but more importantly, as the camera I can carry around each day. The 1D is too big and heavy to carry around to work etc. Got to sell some film stuff, though, if I go with the 10D.
Noel Carboni said:
DigitalCrazy said:
If money is not an object and you could get the 1D over the 10D
what would be the reasons?
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If money is not an object, why not get both?

Each has strong points. Go read about them and make your own
decisions.

-Noel
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Pasha said:
these are good and very cheap alternatives to readers... oh yeah,
they're very fast too...
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those readers suck(I know, I have one). I never use it anymore because it won't recognize a CF card unless it is in the drive at boot-up.

-John
 
if you've got enough money to be buying a camera as advanced as the 1d you should at least know what your getting in to.

Sounds like you dont need a camera like that. If you indeed dont know the difference, then just get the 10d, save two grand, buy some nice glass, and be happy.

The 1d's a professional camera. If your not a pro, you probably dont need to have one.
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oldmanbacala said:
I think you will find, if you compare the the noise performance of
the 10D and the 1D via the Dpreview reviews, that both cameras are
close and the 1D is better at some points on the ISO/noise curve
where the 10D is better at other points. Compare the ISO 400,800
numbers and the 1D is better. At ISO 1600, they are about the
same. At ISO 3200 the 10D is better. At 200 the 10D is slightly
better as well.
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I'm comparing images from a production level 10-D with my own 1D - there's no doubt at all that the 10D is better at ISO 1600 than my 1D. I don't know what level Phil's test camera was (pre-production, production, etc.), but images posted by a 10-D owner in France clearly show superior ISO 1600 performance to my 1D or any other 1D I've used.

Best regards,

Lin

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John,

didn't know that... saw one of these built into the computer in the pressroom of the local paper... kinda' assumed that it's an ok reader...
 
As harsh as I was on the D60 with all the absurd banter about how it's measly 7% resolution advantage didn't pan out with all the rest of it's weaknesses, it is without question NOT a full on professional tool, nor was it designed to be. The 10D is without a doubt at the very least a significant incremental improvement and should make most of the significant weaknesses of the 60 fade. However indeed it is NO 1D in several regards. In all fairness it is by design and NO accident. To use one is to love one, but then so many critisize without having ANY actual hands on experience to back it up. Such is life.........
Paul Young said:
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Member said:
As harsh as I was on the D60 with all the absurd banter about how
it's measly 7% resolution advantage didn't pan out with all the
rest of it's weaknesses,
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Member said:
The 10D is without a
doubt at the very least a significant incremental improvement and
should make most of the significant weaknesses of the 60 fade.
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Why is it Lee that I get and always have got the feeling that you hate the D60 with every fibre of your existance and if you had the opportunity to smash every one on the planet you'd jump at it ..

It's only an inanimate object, a tool, and quite a good one too.. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the 1D is FAR from perfect too. I have to say that some of your posts have put me off even trying a 1D again as I hate overblown hype, it all reminds me of the people who think that only ROLAND can make synthesizers..

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Geez Adam, I certainly didn't write my comment to be emotionally interpreted quite as much as you apparently have. Just stating the facts as I've come to experience and know them. I've worked with ALL the Canon digitals back from the G1 on and this was my take. It isn't a question of hate at all. If ANYTHING has been hyped along the way it was the D60. It is the hype of THAT product that got a bee in my bonnet some time ago, and I've strived to keep that bs in check over the last year. It hasn't won me a congeniality award with a few folks, but on the whole (judging from the number of emails I've diligently responded to over the last 6 months or so) I'd say that the overall majority have come to agree with time. Since you mentioned synths though (being a former pro musician and studio owner as well) I'd have to say that Roland certainly does it as well or better than most. I also had a Korg T3 I loved as well as a 550 module used with my guitar. All in all there are lot's of ways to get the job done. I prefer a downhill ride rather than an uphill battle though. ;-)
Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:
As harsh as I was on the D60 with all the absurd banter about how
it's measly 7% resolution advantage didn't pan out with all the
rest of it's weaknesses,
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Adam-T said:
The 10D is without a
doubt at the very least a significant incremental improvement and
should make most of the significant weaknesses of the 60 fade.
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Why is it Lee that I get and always have got the feeling that you
hate the D60 with every fibre of your existance and if you had the
opportunity to smash every one on the planet you'd jump at it ..

It's only an inanimate object, a tool, and quite a good one too..
It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the 1D is
FAR from perfect too. I have to say that some of your posts have
put me off even trying a 1D again as I hate overblown hype, it all
reminds me of the people who think that only ROLAND can make
synthesizers..

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Member said:
isn't a question of hate at all. If ANYTHING has been hyped along
the way it was the D60. It is the hype of THAT product that got a
bee in my bonnet some time ago, and I've strived to keep that bs in
check over the last year.
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All I've seen on this forum is the D60 being slammed continously by 1D owners for whatever reason and by D30 owners for not being the upgrade they thought it might have been, in fact I'm amazed anyone actually BOUGHT a D60 after reading Canon_SLR -- I suppose that as I've found the D60 to be a servicable if flawed camera rather than either the work of Satan or the second coming, I can't understand all the emotional remarks about it either way ..
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It hasn't won me a congeniality award
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I was actually close to re-investigating the 1D again especially as they're lower in price now and 1.3X rather than 1.6X (20mm from the 16-35L rather than 25) - I have used one a while back and apart from the lack of mode dial (which is quicker to switch from P to A to M modes than the push-button'n'spin 1D/S method) I loved everything about it bar the image quality which I thought was a bit of a let down for a £5000 camera (which is how much it was then) - now I hear that they've fixed the banding problem to some degree after certain serial numbers - BUT everytime there is a thread about what to buy, the 1D hype / D60 bashing comes out to play and I just switch off..

Maybe waiting for a "3D" may be my best move, I don't need more resolution really, I could do with naturally sharper and more detailed images out of camera (the D60s AA filter is a bit on the overenthusiastic side and I saw that after using a 1DS) FAR better AWB, better control of E-TTL without having to FEL everywhere all the time under certain circumstances(the 1DS proved that also) and I need the built in flash like a hole in the head (it doesn't fire over my lenses) all for my work and the better AF for leisure - a 1DS with the ISO100 noise issue fixed would be my perfect camera but I can't afford the $10,000 entry fee on UK commercial photographer's wages, that's life..
Member said:
as a 550 module used with my guitar. All in all there are lot's of
ways to get the job done. I prefer a downhill ride rather than an
uphill battle though. ;-)
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So do I which is why I stopped gigging MemoryMoogs and OBXa's long ago ;-) ...

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