Retardation and minutia.

GageFX133521 · Mar 8, 2003

There seem to be a lot of fed up people coming and going from this forum. I dont have many problem with the forum aside from stray idiots.

To quote a recent post...

Member said:
Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

and another...

Member said:
I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent' photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

David M. · Mar 9, 2003

LOL!! I wake up from a good, restful sleep to find THIS post? Does that answer your question?

Stray idiots are everywhere, just like stupid people. The world is full of them. whaddya gonna do?

What I want from the forum is a little bit of tech talk to learn from (not the "4/3 is the worst/best thing since sliced turkey lunchmeat" or "ten billion pixels in a interpolated fractioanl equivalent of a full frame interdynamic gyrating gizmomatic will give you half the resolutional equivalency of Ray Chrales and I know cuz I'm a real fart smeller".....more like the kind of tech talk that discusses exposure under difficult lighting, composition, etc.

Also a little bit of pics of eagles eating rodents. I always learn and appreciate good photography. As long as it is'nt any more images of Zoomer's frightened and scared face.....poor boy. You hear that Mark?

And maybe a little bit of just plain fun and pointless banter is OK too now and then to keep it entertaining and at least in perspective....and to weed out the anal retentives.

Last but not least to meet fellow photographers to learn from, chat with, and make new and interesting friendships with.

That is'nbt all too much to ask for I hope. I believe I've gotten all that from this forum too.....excepting of course for the occasional stray idiot. But hey, it's like a video game too.....you zap the idiots with your mighty mouse pointer while yelling out loud in a frenzied voice, ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST!! MUAHAHAHAHEEEeeeeee........
Excuse me now, it';s time to take the rest of my happy pills and go back to bed.

GageFX said:
To quote a recent post...

GageFX133521 said:

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

Click to expand...

and another...

GageFX133521 said:

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Click to expand...

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

--
(DC's)/ Oly E20, Kodak DC4800's, (DV)/ Canon GL1, ZR25,(35mm)/ Minolta HTsi+
PBase supporter

Jukka Jarnberg · Mar 9, 2003

Gage

Yes, I support both of your requests

Do continue babble and also shoot pics and show them

I hate it when people who does not have even slightest idea of getting Oly E-system or any Oly cam what-so-ever come here and first thing they write is ugly frog saying how bad such-and-such Oly camera is ... I get always the urge to say 'shut the F up, next!'

Jukka

GageFX said:
To quote a recent post...

GageFX133521 said:

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

Click to expand...

and another...

GageFX133521 said:

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Click to expand...

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

--
http://www.sirucats.com/
http://www.kotiposti.net/jjg47/

Vance · Mar 9, 2003

LOL !!!

What a great way to get a good laugh at 5am !

Thanks for the laugh Gage.

)

I guess I'm like anyone else. Let's just have some fun!

One thing I will ask. Folks, if you have a question that can be answered from your manual, go there first!

Even coming here, you have to wait and then READ it HERE TOO!

You could have found the answer, and been out shooting already.

)

RTFM !!!

--
Vance.

http://users.ev1.net/~txcowboy

http://pub57.ezboard.com/bthedigitaldinguscommunity
now with live chat!

TonyK_in_Texas · Mar 9, 2003

That was the one thing that bugged me then and continues to bug me today. People asking simple questions instead of doing a search or reading the manual.

I tend to ask questions AFTER I have do the searches and looked through the manual. Hence I don't ask questions very often.

Vance said:
LOL !!!

What a great way to get a good laugh at 5am !

Thanks for the laugh Gage. )

I guess I'm like anyone else. Let's just have some fun!

One thing I will ask. Folks, if you have a question that can be
answered from your manual, go there first!

Even coming here, you have to wait and then READ it HERE TOO!

You could have found the answer, and been out shooting already. )

RTFM !!!

--
Vance.

http://users.ev1.net/~txcowboy

http://pub57.ezboard.com/bthedigitaldinguscommunity
now with live chat!

--
TonyK

Bill Wallace · Mar 9, 2003

GageFX said:
To quote a recent post...

GageFX133521 said:

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

Click to expand...

and another...

GageFX133521 said:

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Click to expand...

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

Gage,

I consider myself advanced intermediate when it comes to photography and a really good judge of people and I am surprised that without ever meeting someone how much you can tell about people from a forum like this. There is a tremendous amount of knowledge being shared here by people with knowledge to share, and do so to help others like myself who may have a pretty good idea of what to do but need that little extra help only expirience can provide. I have also listened in on some other forums as iI was deciding which cam. to buy and this forum really hit the sweet spot for me as well as the Oly cams I own. I know you have mentioned moving on and at times get frustrated by what you hear from some who shouldn't really be listening anyway,but what you, Mark Phil, Daivd, Jukka, George,Melanie and now from time to time Zeph. as well as the many others I didn't mention bring to the table to me is more important than any clasroom I could sit in. I have learned camera tricks and settings, why my camera behaves a certain way & the many post processing ways many of you use and for that I want to thank you all. Hope this post makes a little sense, I wrote it in a hurry. Gage to you, your posts are very humorous, I've also learned a lot about NOT what to do with my cams and power supplies and where else could I tune in to a camera forum and get the lessons on life your post last week brought to light, yes I read that one too. Stay around Gage and the rest and if you do move on, I for one wish you the best of luck and stop back from time to time. With many thanks....
--
Billl
Oly E-20, Oly 4040Z

motofoto · Mar 9, 2003

GageFX said:
There seem to be a lot of fed up people coming and going from this
forum. I dont have many problem with the forum aside from stray
idiots.

The biggest stray idiot of all is the originator of this thread ... our GagFX is one of the largest buffons on record, and judging by private e-mails I've received and by public response to his ignorance here, a strong reason why many (myself included) have reduced our participation in this forum.

There seems to be a patient few who tolerate his his posts, and some who regard him as knowing a thing or two, but it's good to remember that in a room full of blind men the one-eyed jack is king.

TrentMcD · Mar 9, 2003

Well, I like some technical talk, but so much has already been answered in the 2+ years the E-10 has been out that there is little but rehashing these days. However, I still read these posts and often learning new things all the time.

I also like some intelligent conversation, even speculation if it stays on track and doesn’t become a qissing match.

I like photos. We’re photographers, aren’t we? That’s what photography is all about.

I like a bit of the banter that goes on here, as long as it doesn’t turn too ugly.

I think this is a great public place were photographers from all over can come and share their common interests.

On the other side -

I don’t like rude behavior. I don’t like people who seem to have a personal vendetta against Olympus and must take it out on this forum. I don’t like people who slam or belittle others (though unfortunately I’ve done this once or twice).

A problem with communicating in writing is it’s so easy to misinterpret what others are saying. It’s also way to easy to take things too personally. There has been a time or two when I felt I was attacked so I attacked back in an unreasonable fashion, so I can understand when somebody else does that. What I don’t understand is people who come here with the sole purpose of attacking other people.

Or launching an unprovoked attack against our camera of choice. I’m not big on Ford Escorts, so should I go up to every Escort owner I meet and go into a tirade about what a bad car they have and why they’re such a loser for owning one? Besides being stupid and wrong headed, it doesn’t fit into what’s considers socially accepted behavior.

O.K. Gage, I guess I went a little farther with this than you wanted.

David Grabowski · Mar 9, 2003

RI (mike mahoney) said:
GageFX said:

There seem to be a lot of fed up people coming and going from this
forum. I dont have many problem with the forum aside from stray
idiots.

Click to expand...

The biggest stray idiot of all is the originator of this thread ...
our GagFX is one of the largest buffons on record, and judging by
private e-mails I've received and by public response to his
ignorance here, a strong reason why many (myself included) have
reduced our participation in this forum.

There seems to be a patient few who tolerate his his posts, and
some who regard him as knowing a thing or two, but it's good to
remember that in a room full of blind men the one-eyed jack is king.

Gage is a good photographer and he knows the e10 as well as anyone here who has used one for as long as he has, he' s just a bit crusty and outspoken. The real problem in the forum has been long standing regarding other camera brands. For some reason in this forum you can't mention another brand, they don't like to compare here. Most people, actually all people, who buy another brand SLR ( I.E. upgrade) and voice that fact are shunned and more or less asked to move on, be that directly or indirectly. If Gage goes with the 10D, he too will experience this.

Unfortunately I fit Gages bill perfectly: I own an S2 as well as the E10, I've been an idiot at least a few times in my life and a lesser person to someone else somewhere always. I may miss on being a ******, but then that may be judged as compared to someone greater than I. Am I moving on ? Don't intend to but may be forced to as with those who preceded me.

On the other hand , there have been some real outbursts from people from other forums as well. I just ignor that personally. If you don't engage them they diffuse. But I feel if you own an Exx or other Oly SLR, you have as much right to be here as anyone else. Be that if you own an S2 or not ( kind of funny stuff really!!!).

FWIW, over in the Fuji SLR forum I've never encountered anything like this, not even a header to a post like this one. Guess the Oly forum is degrading a bit, it used to be where the better grade of posts were and is part of why I was drawn here maybe 15 mo. ago. But it's up to the members to decide, much as Gage himself has indicated, what do you want from the forum?

My feeling of what I would want here: I personally don't like name calling or personal attacks, I really don't feel they belong in the headers of posts at the Oly SLR forum or any other forum. Retardation and minutia are not features of the Oly SLR unless you get anal about the cameras as compared to higher grade cameras ( as some people can do). I think some people come here to stir up the crowd, it seems easy to do, just mention S2 and we are off and running ! But S2 is just the buzz camera right now, in the past it was the D1x, the D60 etc....... This could stop, just by ignoring it.

David

GAD · Mar 9, 2003

Two years ago this was THE forum to be in. Why? The E10 was THE camera to have. This is no longer the case, so a lot of the more colorful characters and many of the really helpful pros have moved on.

Why?

Olympus has not delivered another camera that changed the face of ProSumer Digital Photography like the E10 did.

I still have my E10 and I get a LOT of use out of it, but I hardly come to this forum anymore. Mostly I lurk in the Canon DSLR forum because I will more than likely get a 10D next.

The 4x3 thing Olympus has "released" was the last straw for a lot of us waiting for the next great camera from Oly. For me 4x3 makes no sense. It does for many, and that's great - but for me I'd rather invest in lenses I can use on a very wide range of cameras.

I don't think this forum will ever be what it was unless Olympus changes how they operate.

GAD

Danny29 · Mar 9, 2003

I couldn't agree more with what MIke said.
Those who always thought others are retarded are most retarded.

The months without the originator are the most peaceful and decent moments of all time. Please do others a favour.

RI (mike mahoney) said:
GageFX said:

There seem to be a lot of fed up people coming and going from this
forum. I dont have many problem with the forum aside from stray
idiots.

Click to expand...

The biggest stray idiot of all is the originator of this thread ...
our GagFX is one of the largest buffons on record, and judging by
private e-mails I've received and by public response to his
ignorance here, a strong reason why many (myself included) have
reduced our participation in this forum.

There seems to be a patient few who tolerate his his posts, and
some who regard him as knowing a thing or two, but it's good to
remember that in a room full of blind men the one-eyed jack is king.

James D. Howell · Mar 9, 2003

I go for peace in the world. Haven't had huge amounts of it in my lifetime. I still go for it.

From the forum I want info and entertainment. I never tire of seeing what others see. I try to learn as much as my age and brainpower permit. I've found the forum to provide a pretty fair slice of both those things on balance. I just learned that little reflector trick that someone posted. (I'd have to go back to the thread for his name and I'm lazy) I've had the wonderful experience of just lurking many times and enjoying the banter.

I never used or owned Oly stuff until 1 1/2 years. Now I use three. I'm very happy with the products. My phone isn't going to ring with Oly asking for my advice on what to produce. They certainly have suffecient input from power users.

I don't know what anal retentive means. My anal has trouble retaining anything....
--
Archie
One day at a time

iPatterson · Mar 9, 2003

I just joined this forum about 2 weeks ago, so I'm still a little wet behind the ears on the gripeage-angle, but here are a few reasons I've found the forum helpful, and why I'm now a moderately active member:

1) Experience. Users here have a massive amount of experience which I can profit from. My personal experience is highly limited. A lot of people here have decades of pro photography under their belt, and have been out there taking lumps, making the mistakes, and learning the ins and outs from before I was born. This forum's main draw for me is the experience, and qualification level of the users. This leads to #2...

2) Technical and real-world knowledge. A number of my questions have been about real-world performance of products in various conditions. This forum has been fantastic for that.

3) Point of reference. I made a decision to buy an E-20, partially on the basis of the level at which users of that camera were working at, based on the work and skill level I saw displayed here. I wanted to see if the E-20 was a quality enough product to have a loyal user group, and what kind of work those users were producing, as that reflects on the camera's zeitgeist and performance level. Which leads to...

4) Example photos. I've gotten a lot out of seeing other people's work from E-10 and E-20 cameras here. Some of it is so-so, some of it is dazzling, but all the galleries of work served to show me A) the abilities of the cameras and B) how much of a great picture is the equipment, and how much of it is skill, and/or luck

5) Display / feedback for my own work and experiences. I know dozens of people who could comment on my work, and experiences, but as a beginning amateur photographer, I value higher the opinions of other photographers more experienced than myself. Hearing what photographers think about other photographer's work is crucial to bettering my own work.

As for the rising wave of whiners / off-topic trollers that you guys are talking about...that part of this forum is only going to keep growing and getting worse as it gets more attention, I think.

Whining topics like "Olympus is DEAD!" are getting a few hundred replies. If you don't think the topic is valid, or worthwhile, ignore the post...don't throw fuel on the fire. If the bitchy threads only get one ore two replies and die there, they'll start to go down in frequency.

Just my two cents.

-i-

GageFX said:
To quote a recent post...

GageFX133521 said:

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

Click to expand...

and another...

GageFX133521 said:

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Click to expand...

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

GageFX133521 · Mar 9, 2003

RI, thanks for your input. I'm glad to hear it. I dont rteally care for your opinion of me, but that's fine. I find it entertaining and I'm glad you have a place to voice it.

As for what you have posted, do you care to give any FACTS to back up what you said or would you like to just leave it as an unprovoked attack? IF what you say is true, that's fine, but if it isnt, you're just a troll and flame-baiter. As I'm sure you're an upstanding guy and neither of those, feel free to provide some facts.

As to the "private emails" and "public response", it seems ONE of those TWO people has spoken up. Maybe the THIRD in your trio will also and we can put this to rest. In case you haven't noticed, the numbers aren't in your favor. Not that this is a popularity contest, I just want you to understand how relatively alone you are. Look at your contributions to the forum comparted to your gripes and personal attacks and look at mine. Your contributions are lacking and you are excelling in your attacks. Congrats.

-Again, no animosity - I'm glad you spoke up. Thanks for participating.

-GageFX

One last thing...

motofoto said:
There seems to be a patient few who tolerate his his posts, and
some who regard him as knowing a thing or two, but it's good to
remember that in a room full of blind men the one-eyed jack is king.

It's actually an ENTIRE FORUM that "tolerates" my posts. It's a few of you who come unglued at anything I say. And to the rest of the forum, RI considers you "blind men", I dont. I think you are all fine people. Thanks for the uear and a half ofgreat help.

-GFX

motofoto said:
RI (mike mahoney) wrote:

The biggest stray idiot of all is the originator of this thread ...
our GagFX is one of the largest buffons on record, and judging by
private e-mails I've received and by public response to his
ignorance here, a strong reason why many (myself included) have
reduced our participation in this forum.

There seems to be a patient few who tolerate his his posts, and
some who regard him as knowing a thing or two, but it's good to
remember that in a room full of blind men the one-eyed jack is king.

GageFX133521 · Mar 9, 2003

David, thank you for your compliments and your participation. I have a couple generic comments and one specific.

David Grabowski said:
My feeling of what I would want here: I personally don't like name
calling or personal attacks, I really don't feel they belong in the
headers of posts at the Oly SLR forum or any other forum.

My header was misunderstood. You may believe that the header is uncalled for no matter the meaning, but I thought I'd clarify. The subject header refers COMPLETELY to MY THREAD. The whole posting of this thread is retarded minutia. Something DEFINITELY to be learned, but in the grand scheme of tings means nothing. I've had a self-imposed boring weekend and participated mostly in "fluff" posts the past couple days. I have had some decent content, but most falls under the catagory of "silly captions to Jukka's photos". Getting annoyed with myself, I started this thread with a appropriate and obviously incendiary subject header. It was intentional but not directed at anyone but myself.

As for the "Fuji" remark, we've had a bunch of S2 advocates in here recently. That was nothing actually against Fui owners or forum participants, it's was merely satire for those that have been following the camera bashing in here lately. My personal belief is that the people doing this dont really own S2s at all, they probably dont own any camera and have just chosen it as their pet camera this month. I would say that the next one WILL be the 10D, but it already is. Given another week I would have probably refered to Canon people.

No biggy. Nothing against you or your camera. Thanks for your input.

-GageFX

David Grabowski said:
Gage is a good photographer and he knows the e10 as well as anyone
here who has used one for as long as he has, he' s just a bit
crusty and outspoken. The real problem in the forum has been long
standing regarding other camera brands. For some reason in this
forum you can't mention another brand, they don't like to compare
here. Most people, actually all people, who buy another brand SLR (
I.E. upgrade) and voice that fact are shunned and more or less
asked to move on, be that directly or indirectly. If Gage goes with
the 10D, he too will experience this.

Unfortunately I fit Gages bill perfectly: I own an S2 as well as
the E10, I've been an idiot at least a few times in my life and a
lesser person to someone else somewhere always. I may miss on being
a ******, but then that may be judged as compared to someone
greater than I. Am I moving on ? Don't intend to but may be forced
to as with those who preceded me.

On the other hand , there have been some real outbursts from people
from other forums as well. I just ignor that personally. If you
don't engage them they diffuse. But I feel if you own an Exx or
other Oly SLR, you have as much right to be here as anyone else. Be
that if you own an S2 or not ( kind of funny stuff really!!!).

FWIW, over in the Fuji SLR forum I've never encountered anything
like this, not even a header to a post like this one. Guess the Oly
forum is degrading a bit, it used to be where the better grade of
posts were and is part of why I was drawn here maybe 15 mo. ago.
But it's up to the members to decide, much as Gage himself has
indicated, what do you want from the forum?

My feeling of what I would want here: I personally don't like name
calling or personal attacks, I really don't feel they belong in the
headers of posts at the Oly SLR forum or any other forum.
Retardation and minutia are not features of the Oly SLR unless you
get anal about the cameras as compared to higher grade cameras ( as
some people can do). I think some people come here to stir up the
crowd, it seems easy to do, just mention S2 and we are off and
running ! But S2 is just the buzz camera right now, in the past it
was the D1x, the D60 etc....... This could stop, just by ignoring
it.

David

GageFX133521 · Mar 9, 2003

Member said:
I couldn't agree more with what MIke said.

Surpise, surprise.

Member said:
Those who always thought others are retarded are most retarded.

Need I point out you just refered to some one as retarded? Well done.

Member said:
The months without the originator are the most peaceful and decent
moments of all time.

Sorry you feel that way. Did you notice the warm reception I recievd when I posted again? It's the only reason I'm still here. It reminded me of all the good people here that I can learn from as opposed to those that just chime in to start fights.

Member said:
Please do others a favour.

and.... or was that the end of the sentence?

Thanks for your input. Well recieved. Sorry you dont like me here.

-GageFX

David M. · Mar 9, 2003

Hi Patterson. Thanks for the great post. I just have one thing I want to say about it...

"If you don't think the topic is valid, or worthwhile, ignore the post..."> >

Yes, and I agree absolutely.....EXZCEPT for one thing. Occasionally, one of the lamers will pass on misinformation to a newbie asking general questions about the camera.....such as, if a new member asks if they should consider an Exx over another model, these yo-yo's will chime in with something like "oh no, don't get the Exx, the buffer sucks, the this sucks and that sucks....get the camera I have instead" type of response. If this goes ignored and not corrected by another more helpful and knowledgeablr member, then the newbie just got a load of B.S. that he/she won't know IS B.S., and thereby possibly passing up what would otherwise have been a great cam or good information for them.

The trolls have a much more damaging impact at times on the forums than one would ordinarily think. The experienced members can spot them right off and ignore them, but don't usually because the mis-information they present is potentially far reaching and damaging to the forum as a whole.

So, occasionally it seems to become necessary to call a spade a spade and let the newbies know the troll is a troll. Pathetically, sometimes it's even necessary to let the troll know they are a troll (seriously, some are that stupid).

iPatterson said:
1) Experience. Users here have a massive amount of experience
which I can profit from. My personal experience is highly limited.
A lot of people here have decades of pro photography under their
belt, and have been out there taking lumps, making the mistakes,
and learning the ins and outs from before I was born. This forum's
main draw for me is the experience, and qualification level of the
users. This leads to #2...

2) Technical and real-world knowledge. A number of my questions
have been about real-world performance of products in various
conditions. This forum has been fantastic for that.

3) Point of reference. I made a decision to buy an E-20, partially
on the basis of the level at which users of that camera were
working at, based on the work and skill level I saw displayed here.
I wanted to see if the E-20 was a quality enough product to have a
loyal user group, and what kind of work those users were producing,
as that reflects on the camera's zeitgeist and performance level.
Which leads to...

4) Example photos. I've gotten a lot out of seeing other people's
work from E-10 and E-20 cameras here. Some of it is so-so, some of
it is dazzling, but all the galleries of work served to show me A)
the abilities of the cameras and B) how much of a great picture is
the equipment, and how much of it is skill, and/or luck

5) Display / feedback for my own work and experiences. I know
dozens of people who could comment on my work, and experiences, but
as a beginning amateur photographer, I value higher the opinions of
other photographers more experienced than myself. Hearing what
photographers think about other photographer's work is crucial to
bettering my own work.

As for the rising wave of whiners / off-topic trollers that you
guys are talking about...that part of this forum is only going to
keep growing and getting worse as it gets more attention, I think.

Whining topics like "Olympus is DEAD!" are getting a few hundred
replies. If you don't think the topic is valid, or worthwhile,
ignore the post...don't throw fuel on the fire. If the bitchy
threads only get one ore two replies and die there, they'll start
to go down in frequency.

Just my two cents.

-i-

GageFX said:

To quote a recent post...

iPatterson said:

Your thread reminds me why I've generally stopped coming to this forum, but like a bad auto accident...

Click to expand...

and another...

iPatterson said:

I normally don't reply to these ridiculous sites (as you can tell from my absence of posts).

Click to expand...

Now, not everyone's opinion matters, least of all mine. Only one of
these two posts do I really give a rats patooty about... I'll leave
it to you to decide.

Now, what my question is, is:

What do you want from this forum? Some people only want tech stuff
and get annoyed by pictures. Other people come in and say "Enough
of all this tech-babble, where are your 'eagle devouring rodent'
photos?" Then there are those that just get sick and bored of
babblers like me.

So, just wondering, what does everyone want? I sure as hell dont
plan on giving it to you, even if I could, which I cant... I'm just
wondering.

What do I want? Peace in the world and idiots to stay in the Fuji
forum. IS that too much to ask? (I think peace will come first.)

-GageFX

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GageFX133521 · Mar 9, 2003

TrentMcD said:
Well, I like some technical talk, but so much has already been
answered in the 2+ years the E-10 has been out that there is little
but rehashing these days. However, I still read these posts and
often learning new things all the time.

I find it intersting too, but I have to be in a technical mood. I'm sure if we did a poll, 75+% of forum particpants in ANY forum on DPR are engineers. Engineers just seem to be drawn to photography and I think it's the technical aspect that does that. It quenches their need for engineering and also gives them a creative outlet. I can't relate AT ALL, but I USED to have that technical side. In highschool I used to construct circuit boards for a friend who was an engineer at JPL. I worked through highschool with an emphasis on math and science and then went that direction in college. It was about that time I decided that although I enjoy the technical aspect of things, I am actually an artist at heart. It's been a while since I've worked in that arena, but just know that when I'm rewiring battery sources, I do have comewhat of a background in it. I'm just very rusty.

Years of shooting beautiful girls turns the brain to mush, and I am happy to say I have a head FULL of mush. (No surprise to RI and Danny.)

TrentMcD said:
I also like some intelligent conversation,

You wont find that HERE, my friend. Try another thread.

TrentMcD said:
even speculation if it
stays on track and doesn’t become a p*issing match.

p*issing is okay as long as it stays on track. It's the personal attackers that need a woopin', not the passionate point arguers.

TrentMcD said:
I like photos. We’re photographers, aren’t we? That’s what
photography is all about.

Eh? I though photography was about buying a camera and then griping about it on DPR. As for photos, come on. How many rodents do we have to see with their innards hanging out?

TrentMcD said:
I like a bit of the banter that goes on here, as long as it doesn’t
turn too ugly.

Oh, it WILL turn ugly. Sad, huh. There is one thread that has turned terribly wrong. I think there need to be locks on our keyboard that detect our mood and state of mind. Wont let you type if you are obviously out of your mind. (I obviously dont have one of these locks on my keyboard. Well I DO, but I rewired it to power my E-10.)

TrentMcD said:
I think this is a great public place were photographers from all
over can come and share their common interests.

Yep.

TrentMcD said:
On the other side -

I don’t like rude behavior. I don’t like people who seem to have a
personal vendetta against Olympus and must take it out on this
forum.

I'll never understand this. (Wish I had an emoticon for shruggs* .)

TrentMcD said:
I don’t like people who slam or belittle others (though
unfortunately I’ve done this once or twice).

It happens but that isnt your M.O. It IS the MO of others around here and that's the problem. A freak occurance isnt too bad a thing, but when people just pop up to attack, it just isnt right.

TrentMcD said:
A problem with communicating in writing is it’s so easy to
misinterpret what others are saying. It’s also way to easy to take
things too personally. There has been a time or two when I felt I
was attacked so I attacked back in an unreasonable fashion, so I
can understand when somebody else does that. What I don’t
understand is people who come here with the sole purpose of
attacking other people.

I think it makes them feel better. Actually, it makes them feel worse and that's what they like. Some people eat too much, other cut themselves, some beat their kids, these guys come on and attack others. It's better than having them beat their kids. (Or do unspeakable things to their dog, eh Mark?)

TrentMcD said:
Or launching an unprovoked attack against our camera of choice.
I’m not big on Ford Escorts, so should I go up to every Escort
owner I meet and go into a tirade about what a bad car they have
and why they’re such a loser for owning one? Besides being stupid
and wrong headed, it doesn’t fit into what’s considers socially
accepted behavior.

Yeah, this is another thing. Could you even imagine going unprovoked into the CAsio forum and spout off about how bad their camera is and how they should have gotten an Exx? It's just absurd. But everyday, idiots come in here and bash the E and promote their camera. It's stupid.

What? You dont like that I called them "idiots"? Well what are they?

Thanks for your input, Trent. Very valued.

TrentMcD said:
O.K. Gage, I guess I went a little farther with this than you wanted.

Yes you did. Dont let it happen again.

-GageFX

GageFX133521 · Mar 9, 2003

James D. Howell said:
I go for peace in the world. Haven't had huge amounts of it in my
lifetime. I still go for it.

Sorry to hear that. I'm sure we all know "world peace" will never happen, but we can keep moving towards it. We may never get there, but we are either moving TOWARDS the goal or AWAY from the goal. Elimination of current evil will be a big step forward.

James D. Howell said:
From the forum I want info and entertainment.

I hope you get it. I TRY on both fronts. Not sure if I ever succeed on either.

James D. Howell said:
I never tire of seeing what others see. I try to learn as much as my age and brainpower permit.

Never stop learning. I have done so many things in my life and I have another 2/3, give or take, left. Maybe the lack of learning or no desire to do so contributes to the bitterness in people. Just a theory you inspired.

James D. Howell said:
I've found the forum to provide a pretty fair
slice of both those things on balance. I just learned that little
reflector trick that someone posted.

You mean the built in flash bounce thing? Very cool. Not something I'd have a use for, but very ingenius.

James D. Howell said:
(I'd have to go back to the
thread for his name and I'm lazy) I've had the wonderful experience
of just lurking many times and enjoying the banter.

I never used or owned Oly stuff until 1 1/2 years. Now I use three.
I'm very happy with the products.

What three do you have?

James D. Howell said:
My phone isn't going to ring with
Oly asking for my advice on what to produce. They certainly have
suffecient input from power users.

No, they dont listen to anyone.

James D. Howell said:
I don't know what anal retentive means. My anal has trouble
retaining anything....

Too much info Archie. Too much info.

James D. Howell said:
Archie
One day at a time

Thanks for your perspective.

-GageFX

David M. · Mar 9, 2003

"Could you even imagine going unprovoked into the CAsio forum and spout off about how bad their camera is and how they should have gotten an Exx?"> >

Damn, but if that does'nt sound like a barrel of FUN though!!

Ok, I won't. I swear.

GageFX said:
GageFX133521 said:

Well, I like some technical talk, but so much has already been
answered in the 2+ years the E-10 has been out that there is little
but rehashing these days. However, I still read these posts and
often learning new things all the time.

Click to expand...

I find it intersting too, but I have to be in a technical mood. I'm
sure if we did a poll, 75+% of forum particpants in ANY forum on
DPR are engineers. Engineers just seem to be drawn to photography
and I think it's the technical aspect that does that. It quenches
their need for engineering and also gives them a creative outlet. I
can't relate AT ALL, but I USED to have that technical side. In
highschool I used to construct circuit boards for a friend who was
an engineer at JPL. I worked through highschool with an emphasis on
math and science and then went that direction in college. It was
about that time I decided that although I enjoy the technical
aspect of things, I am actually an artist at heart. It's been a
while since I've worked in that arena, but just know that when I'm
rewiring battery sources, I do have comewhat of a background in it.
I'm just very rusty. Years of shooting beautiful girls turns the
brain to mush, and I am happy to say I have a head FULL of mush.
(No surprise to RI and Danny.)

GageFX133521 said:

I also like some intelligent conversation,

Click to expand...

You wont find that HERE, my friend. Try another thread.

GageFX133521 said:

even speculation if it
stays on track and doesn’t become a p*issing match.

Click to expand...

p*issing is okay as long as it stays on track. It's the personal
attackers that need a woopin', not the passionate point arguers.

GageFX133521 said:

I like photos. We’re photographers, aren’t we? That’s what
photography is all about.

Click to expand...

Eh? I though photography was about buying a camera and then griping
about it on DPR. As for photos, come on. How many rodents do we
have to see with their innards hanging out?

GageFX133521 said:

I like a bit of the banter that goes on here, as long as it doesn’t
turn too ugly.

Click to expand...

Oh, it WILL turn ugly. Sad, huh. There is one thread that has
turned terribly wrong. I think there need to be locks on our
keyboard that detect our mood and state of mind. Wont let you type
if you are obviously out of your mind. (I obviously dont have one
of these locks on my keyboard. Well I DO, but I rewired it to power
my E-10.)

GageFX133521 said:

I think this is a great public place were photographers from all
over can come and share their common interests.

Click to expand...

Yep.

GageFX133521 said:

On the other side -

I don’t like rude behavior. I don’t like people who seem to have a
personal vendetta against Olympus and must take it out on this
forum.

Click to expand...

I'll never understand this. (Wish I had an emoticon for shruggs* .)

GageFX133521 said:

I don’t like people who slam or belittle others (though
unfortunately I’ve done this once or twice).

Click to expand...

It happens but that isnt your M.O. It IS the MO of others around
here and that's the problem. A freak occurance isnt too bad a
thing, but when people just pop up to attack, it just isnt right.

GageFX133521 said:

A problem with communicating in writing is it’s so easy to
misinterpret what others are saying. It’s also way to easy to take
things too personally. There has been a time or two when I felt I
was attacked so I attacked back in an unreasonable fashion, so I
can understand when somebody else does that. What I don’t
understand is people who come here with the sole purpose of
attacking other people.

Click to expand...

I think it makes them feel better. Actually, it makes them feel
worse and that's what they like. Some people eat too much, other
cut themselves, some beat their kids, these guys come on and attack
others. It's better than having them beat their kids. (Or do
unspeakable things to their dog, eh Mark?)

GageFX133521 said:

Or launching an unprovoked attack against our camera of choice.
I’m not big on Ford Escorts, so should I go up to every Escort
owner I meet and go into a tirade about what a bad car they have
and why they’re such a loser for owning one? Besides being stupid
and wrong headed, it doesn’t fit into what’s considers socially
accepted behavior.

Click to expand...

Yeah, this is another thing. Could you even imagine going
unprovoked into the CAsio forum and spout off about how bad their
camera is and how they should have gotten an Exx? It's just absurd.
But everyday, idiots come in here and bash the E and promote their
camera. It's stupid.

What? You dont like that I called them "idiots"? Well what are they?

Thanks for your input, Trent. Very valued.

GageFX133521 said:

O.K. Gage, I guess I went a little farther with this than you wanted.

Click to expand...

Yes you did. Dont let it happen again.

-GageFX

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