This is simply not true. Several people did comparos, including Phil. There was not "so much more...", there was more "almost as much as..."
Well you can go hang out in the sigma forum with the eight other guys who feel that way. I think most of us place them nearly equal and there is a lot more to a camera that merely who captures more detail. Most people will find 6MP bayer will give them all the detail they need.
In retrospect, I would say the SD9 is making rather in-efficient use of its sensor advantage.
If monkeys fly out my butt. The vast majority of rumours in the past two months on this forum, were made up by attention seeking weenies. Without actually analysing the info, I would say there is about a 1% chance of truth based on recent history of rumor veracity.
Phil didn't say that - Olympus did, it was a quote
I thought it had more to do with Canon not re-licensing them
--I am blown away by the Sigma SD9 review by Phil at DPREview.com.
The existing 3 megapixel output photos on the SD9 clearly have much
more resolution than the 6 megapixel Canon D60. The new Canon
10D's sensor won't do much better than this first generation
Foveon-based sensor.
In retrospect, this should be expected since the Sigma SD9 has 10
million individual light sensors to the Canon D60's/10D's 6.5
million sensors.
If rumors are true about a Nikon coming out with the D2 using a
second generation Foveon sensor with 7.8 megapixels, then it will
blow away the Canon 1Ds. A 7.8 megapixel Foveon sensor will have
about 25 million sensors - as opposed to the 11 million sensors in
the Canon 1Ds sensors. As Phil said, the Foveon's sensor captures
detail past the Nyquist limit.
The first Foveon sensors have the advantage of very low noise
overall, slmilar to the Canon D60. The primary disadvantages
compared to the D60 are 1) blooming of overexposed areas 2) color
clipping at overexposed areas. Also a disadvantage is that color
saturation is not as well-done as in the D60. But clearly, the 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor does much better resolution/detail
than the Canon D60's 6 megapixel output. This is because it has 10
million sensors to the Canon's 6.5 million sensors and that the
color's sensor are stacked on one pixel, whereas the Canon's 3
pixels are side-by-side. The Canon's pixels have to be interpolated
to get a single output pixel, and thus lose detail. Canon's 6
megapixel output is not as good as Foveon's 3 megapixel output.
Since Foveon's way of doing pixels is patented, Canon won't be able
to match its resolution unless it at least double's the number of
light sensors in the current cameras.
If Nikon comes out with a D2 or even D100 upgrade using a second
generation Foveon sensor, with lower noise, higher ISO sensitivity,
and corrected overexposure problems, this may well outclass the
Canon 1Ds and 10D.
Thus, I have to wait on the fence again until the next shoes from
Canon and Nikon come off. Hopefully, something will be available
by this summer's vacation !!!. I'd rather wait than invest
heavily in one lens manufacturer first, since the total for the
lenses will be more than the cost of the camera itself.
Think about it --- a Nikon D100 upgrade with a second-generation
Foveon sensor will definitely blow away the Canon 10D even if it
had only 3 megapixel output (since it has 10 million sensors) The
Canon 1Ds has 11 million sensors.
I would be very interested to see how the first generation 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor compares to the Canon 1Ds's output.
Phil?
have fun with your camera now! bye ----I am blown away by the Sigma SD9 review by Phil at DPREview.com.
The existing 3 megapixel output photos on the SD9 clearly have much
more resolution than the 6 megapixel Canon D60. The new Canon
10D's sensor won't do much better than this first generation
Foveon-based sensor.
In retrospect, this should be expected since the Sigma SD9 has 10
million individual light sensors to the Canon D60's/10D's 6.5
million sensors.
If rumors are true about a Nikon coming out with the D2 using a
second generation Foveon sensor with 7.8 megapixels, then it will
blow away the Canon 1Ds. A 7.8 megapixel Foveon sensor will have
about 25 million sensors - as opposed to the 11 million sensors in
the Canon 1Ds sensors. As Phil said, the Foveon's sensor captures
detail past the Nyquist limit.
The first Foveon sensors have the advantage of very low noise
overall, slmilar to the Canon D60. The primary disadvantages
compared to the D60 are 1) blooming of overexposed areas 2) color
clipping at overexposed areas. Also a disadvantage is that color
saturation is not as well-done as in the D60. But clearly, the 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor does much better resolution/detail
than the Canon D60's 6 megapixel output. This is because it has 10
million sensors to the Canon's 6.5 million sensors and that the
color's sensor are stacked on one pixel, whereas the Canon's 3
pixels are side-by-side. The Canon's pixels have to be interpolated
to get a single output pixel, and thus lose detail. Canon's 6
megapixel output is not as good as Foveon's 3 megapixel output.
Since Foveon's way of doing pixels is patented, Canon won't be able
to match its resolution unless it at least double's the number of
light sensors in the current cameras.
If Nikon comes out with a D2 or even D100 upgrade using a second
generation Foveon sensor, with lower noise, higher ISO sensitivity,
and corrected overexposure problems, this may well outclass the
Canon 1Ds and 10D.
Thus, I have to wait on the fence again until the next shoes from
Canon and Nikon come off. Hopefully, something will be available
by this summer's vacation !!!
heavily in one lens manufacturer first, since the total for the
lenses will be more than the cost of the camera itself.
Think about it --- a Nikon D100 upgrade with a second-generation
Foveon sensor will definitely blow away the Canon 10D even if it
had only 3 megapixel output (since it has 10 million sensors) The
Canon 1Ds has 11 million sensors.
I would be very interested to see how the first generation 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor compares to the Canon 1Ds's output.
Phil?
Jamie W.
Canon 10D (on order)
Canon D60 (not selling. yet.)
Film? What do you mean, film?
--I am blown away by the Sigma SD9 review by Phil at DPREview.com.
The existing 3 megapixel output photos on the SD9 clearly have much
more resolution than the 6 megapixel Canon D60. The new Canon
10D's sensor won't do much better than this first generation
Foveon-based sensor.
In retrospect, this should be expected since the Sigma SD9 has 10
million individual light sensors to the Canon D60's/10D's 6.5
million sensors.
If rumors are true about a Nikon coming out with the D2 using a
second generation Foveon sensor with 7.8 megapixels, then it will
blow away the Canon 1Ds. A 7.8 megapixel Foveon sensor will have
about 25 million sensors - as opposed to the 11 million sensors in
the Canon 1Ds sensors. As Phil said, the Foveon's sensor captures
detail past the Nyquist limit.
The first Foveon sensors have the advantage of very low noise
overall, slmilar to the Canon D60. The primary disadvantages
compared to the D60 are 1) blooming of overexposed areas 2) color
clipping at overexposed areas. Also a disadvantage is that color
saturation is not as well-done as in the D60. But clearly, the 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor does much better resolution/detail
than the Canon D60's 6 megapixel output. This is because it has 10
million sensors to the Canon's 6.5 million sensors and that the
color's sensor are stacked on one pixel, whereas the Canon's 3
pixels are side-by-side. The Canon's pixels have to be interpolated
to get a single output pixel, and thus lose detail. Canon's 6
megapixel output is not as good as Foveon's 3 megapixel output.
Since Foveon's way of doing pixels is patented, Canon won't be able
to match its resolution unless it at least double's the number of
light sensors in the current cameras.
If Nikon comes out with a D2 or even D100 upgrade using a second
generation Foveon sensor, with lower noise, higher ISO sensitivity,
and corrected overexposure problems, this may well outclass the
Canon 1Ds and 10D.
Thus, I have to wait on the fence again until the next shoes from
Canon and Nikon come off. Hopefully, something will be available
by this summer's vacation !!!
heavily in one lens manufacturer first, since the total for the
lenses will be more than the cost of the camera itself.
Think about it --- a Nikon D100 upgrade with a second-generation
Foveon sensor will definitely blow away the Canon 10D even if it
had only 3 megapixel output (since it has 10 million sensors) The
Canon 1Ds has 11 million sensors.
I would be very interested to see how the first generation 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor compares to the Canon 1Ds's output.
Phil?
Jamie W.
Canon 10D (on order)
Canon D60 (not selling. yet.)
Film? What do you mean, film?
There is no overlap in the superCCD sensor.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that the sensitivity is lower, then yes that's true.
Nope. They filed a patent application for an improved pixel design in May. The patent application states that they had already manufactured 7 micron pixels with a good fill rate using this design. At 1.5X multiplier 7 micron pixels would give 7.4 MP.
They filed a patent on an improved design in May. In the patent, they state that they have used this design to manufacture senors with 7 micron pixels at good fill rates. 7 micron pixels with a 1.5X multiplier gives a 7.4 MP sensor.
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I am blown away by the Sigma SD9 review by Phil at DPREview.com.
The existing 3 megapixel output photos on the SD9 clearly have much
more resolution than the 6 megapixel Canon D60. The new Canon
10D's sensor won't do much better than this first generation
Foveon-based sensor.
In retrospect, this should be expected since the Sigma SD9 has 10
million individual light sensors to the Canon D60's/10D's 6.5
million sensors.
If rumors are true about a Nikon coming out with the D2 using a
second generation Foveon sensor with 7.8 megapixels, then it will
blow away the Canon 1Ds. A 7.8 megapixel Foveon sensor will have
about 25 million sensors - as opposed to the 11 million sensors in
the Canon 1Ds sensors. As Phil said, the Foveon's sensor captures
detail past the Nyquist limit.
The first Foveon sensors have the advantage of very low noise
overall, slmilar to the Canon D60. The primary disadvantages
compared to the D60 are 1) blooming of overexposed areas 2) color
clipping at overexposed areas. Also a disadvantage is that color
saturation is not as well-done as in the D60. But clearly, the 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor does much better resolution/detail
than the Canon D60's 6 megapixel output. This is because it has 10
million sensors to the Canon's 6.5 million sensors and that the
color's sensor are stacked on one pixel, whereas the Canon's 3
pixels are side-by-side. The Canon's pixels have to be interpolated
to get a single output pixel, and thus lose detail. Canon's 6
megapixel output is not as good as Foveon's 3 megapixel output.
Since Foveon's way of doing pixels is patented, Canon won't be able
to match its resolution unless it at least double's the number of
light sensors in the current cameras.
If Nikon comes out with a D2 or even D100 upgrade using a second
generation Foveon sensor, with lower noise, higher ISO sensitivity,
and corrected overexposure problems, this may well outclass the
Canon 1Ds and 10D.
Thus, I have to wait on the fence again until the next shoes from
Canon and Nikon come off. Hopefully, something will be available
by this summer's vacation !!!
heavily in one lens manufacturer first, since the total for the
lenses will be more than the cost of the camera itself.
Think about it --- a Nikon D100 upgrade with a second-generation
Foveon sensor will definitely blow away the Canon 10D even if it
had only 3 megapixel output (since it has 10 million sensors) The
Canon 1Ds has 11 million sensors.
I would be very interested to see how the first generation 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor compares to the Canon 1Ds's output.
Phil?
--I am blown away by the Sigma SD9 review by Phil at DPREview.com.
The existing 3 megapixel output photos on the SD9 clearly have much
more resolution than the 6 megapixel Canon D60. The new Canon
10D's sensor won't do much better than this first generation
Foveon-based sensor.
In retrospect, this should be expected since the Sigma SD9 has 10
million individual light sensors to the Canon D60's/10D's 6.5
million sensors.
If rumors are true about a Nikon coming out with the D2 using a
second generation Foveon sensor with 7.8 megapixels, then it will
blow away the Canon 1Ds. A 7.8 megapixel Foveon sensor will have
about 25 million sensors - as opposed to the 11 million sensors in
the Canon 1Ds sensors. As Phil said, the Foveon's sensor captures
detail past the Nyquist limit.
The first Foveon sensors have the advantage of very low noise
overall, slmilar to the Canon D60. The primary disadvantages
compared to the D60 are 1) blooming of overexposed areas 2) color
clipping at overexposed areas. Also a disadvantage is that color
saturation is not as well-done as in the D60. But clearly, the 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor does much better resolution/detail
than the Canon D60's 6 megapixel output. This is because it has 10
million sensors to the Canon's 6.5 million sensors and that the
color's sensor are stacked on one pixel, whereas the Canon's 3
pixels are side-by-side. The Canon's pixels have to be interpolated
to get a single output pixel, and thus lose detail. Canon's 6
megapixel output is not as good as Foveon's 3 megapixel output.
Since Foveon's way of doing pixels is patented, Canon won't be able
to match its resolution unless it at least double's the number of
light sensors in the current cameras.
If Nikon comes out with a D2 or even D100 upgrade using a second
generation Foveon sensor, with lower noise, higher ISO sensitivity,
and corrected overexposure problems, this may well outclass the
Canon 1Ds and 10D.
Thus, I have to wait on the fence again until the next shoes from
Canon and Nikon come off. Hopefully, something will be available
by this summer's vacation !!!
heavily in one lens manufacturer first, since the total for the
lenses will be more than the cost of the camera itself.
Think about it --- a Nikon D100 upgrade with a second-generation
Foveon sensor will definitely blow away the Canon 10D even if it
had only 3 megapixel output (since it has 10 million sensors) The
Canon 1Ds has 11 million sensors.
I would be very interested to see how the first generation 3
megapixel output Foveon sensor compares to the Canon 1Ds's output.
Phil?
You are just making stuff up now, learning something about semiconductors and interpolation before make such an unqualified statement.
Again, having a CMOS foundaries is by no means a restriction. CMOS is the most universally adopted chip manufacturing process. It is really easy and relatively cheap to retool to manufacture different design CMOS chips.
