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Why buy a 1D now?
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Christopher A. Wichura
Forum Enthusiast
Even if you had such a sensor, at least right it seems to me printer technology isn't there to print it in full glory anyway. Course, by the time we get a 138MP sensor, printers should hopefuly have advanced as well...
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Jon Balgley
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Tips on doing that?
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Don
Guest
Lowest ISO noise by far of any digital camera period.
8 frames per second is unmatched for sports.
Tough, rugged, weather proof
8 frames per second is unmatched for sports.
Tough, rugged, weather proof
Mishkin
Senior Member
Why that's impossible for good large format printer?
Imagine how brilliantly such large and detailed prints will look. Sweet...
Imagine how brilliantly such large and detailed prints will look. Sweet...
Jorge Alban
Forum Enthusiast
Don,
I share your enthusiasm for the 1D construction, speed and autofocusing, it is indeed a photojournalists dream camera, however according to Phils tests on this very same site, the D60 is the one camera with the lowest ISO noise (ISO 100 standard deviation 0.65). Thus producing cleaner upsamples than either the 1D (ISO 100 standard deviation 0.98 PLUS a loss of dynamic range) or anything else out there. Perhaps you meant the lowest HIGH ISO noise...?
For those who often photograph landscapes or architecture (as I do) or like to check for blinks/focus/panning on the rear LCD, the 1D is definitely not it. Now if Canon could just give us a larger 2.5 inch diagonal LCD as in the Leica/Panasonic consumer digicam...
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I share your enthusiasm for the 1D construction, speed and autofocusing, it is indeed a photojournalists dream camera, however according to Phils tests on this very same site, the D60 is the one camera with the lowest ISO noise (ISO 100 standard deviation 0.65). Thus producing cleaner upsamples than either the 1D (ISO 100 standard deviation 0.98 PLUS a loss of dynamic range) or anything else out there. Perhaps you meant the lowest HIGH ISO noise...?
For those who often photograph landscapes or architecture (as I do) or like to check for blinks/focus/panning on the rear LCD, the 1D is definitely not it. Now if Canon could just give us a larger 2.5 inch diagonal LCD as in the Leica/Panasonic consumer digicam...
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Jason Stoller
Veteran Member
I am with you Ben, I would rather make the attempt to get it right to start with. I want to spend my time capturing what I see instead of fixing my mistakes on the computer.
Jason
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DavidP #28649
Forum Pro
Just another reason I prefer the zooms for what I shoot, unless the light demands primes.
Of course, those who want more pixels are simply trying to turn their smaller lenses into longer ones with digital zooming.
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Of course, those who want more pixels are simply trying to turn their smaller lenses into longer ones with digital zooming.
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
I believe he was indeed referring to high ISO because that is what counts. I shoot basketball at ISO 1600 on the 1D and the noise is amazingly low compared to what some other cameras put out. I used to be hesitant to use the high ISO settings, but now I actually like the look. I often use ISO 1600 on an overcast day to get a very fast shutter for sports (ie, baseball).
The nature of the 1D's high ISO noise is also another important issue. It doesn't fill the shadow areas with lots of RGB noise like many other cameras do. Those areas remain dark, and the noise only affects the midtone and light areas (where it isn't all that apparent). Fred's ISOR-BR actoin when set to the color noise reduction mode does an amazing job making the noise blend in and appear like film grain in print. I've printed some 1D ISO 1600 photos at 16x20 and they look amazing.
The nature of the 1D's high ISO noise is also another important issue. It doesn't fill the shadow areas with lots of RGB noise like many other cameras do. Those areas remain dark, and the noise only affects the midtone and light areas (where it isn't all that apparent). Fred's ISOR-BR actoin when set to the color noise reduction mode does an amazing job making the noise blend in and appear like film grain in print. I've printed some 1D ISO 1600 photos at 16x20 and they look amazing.
zidar
Senior Member
I have a hunch that Leica conceived that camera as a point and shoot digital for working photographers, especially journalists. It is the only one I've found that works like a real camera. The image at ISO 100 is superb. If only it went really wide...
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John Doyle
Leading Member
I rue the day such a monster comes to life. These forums will be full of people examining 100% crops of their photos and becoming obsessed with camera movement, wind, mirror lock-up, lens resolution, etc.
Personally I do all of my photography handheld, and as an amateur I don't own many high-class lenses, so a 138MPixel sensor would be completely wasted on me.
With all this obsession about resolution and dpi, doesn't anyone care about the image anymore? Isn't that what photography should be all about?
Just a thought,
John Doyle
Personally I do all of my photography handheld, and as an amateur I don't own many high-class lenses, so a 138MPixel sensor would be completely wasted on me.
With all this obsession about resolution and dpi, doesn't anyone care about the image anymore? Isn't that what photography should be all about?
Just a thought,
John Doyle
Mishkin
Senior Member
...with caring about BOTH images and the quality? Wouldn't you LOVE to print your BEAUTIFUL pictures at 32x48" TRUE 300ppi??
Maurice Joubert59901
Senior Member
We in Europe are not so lucky : the best price for a 1D is still 5700 € (
If there was a drop from the initial price (6900 €), it's still too high for me.
I would not hesitate if it was 3600 €, since it's a wonderful camera (construction, ISO range, perorming AF, etc)
Stefan Schott
Veteran Member
You can get it for € 5,429.00 at http://www.fotototal.com (look for it under "Sonderangebote"). They're trustworthy, that's where I got mine.
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jtgb
Well-known member
Jon,
Which tip do you want - successfully shooting with a D30 or making fun money? Both came slowly to me.
It was an accident. I'd come to my daughter's volleyball & basketball games and play sports photographer. I gave my daughter a couple of 2'x3' posters for her to take to a "spirit day" pep ralley, and they were a big hit. Parents wanted to buy them, so I sold them & split the proceeds with the school's athletic department.
As kids moved on, parents invited me to come & shoot at their kids' new schools. Parents get the pictures, the school gets an instant fund-raiser, and I can better support my habit, I mean my hobby.
JTGB
Just You Average Photo Enthusiast
Which tip do you want - successfully shooting with a D30 or making fun money? Both came slowly to me.
It was an accident. I'd come to my daughter's volleyball & basketball games and play sports photographer. I gave my daughter a couple of 2'x3' posters for her to take to a "spirit day" pep ralley, and they were a big hit. Parents wanted to buy them, so I sold them & split the proceeds with the school's athletic department.
As kids moved on, parents invited me to come & shoot at their kids' new schools. Parents get the pictures, the school gets an instant fund-raiser, and I can better support my habit, I mean my hobby.
JTGB
Just You Average Photo Enthusiast
Robert Munroe
Active member
You've made a good point Mike, technology is always on the move and the average person is hardpressed to keep up with it. I currently own a Elan 7, S30 and a Mamiya 645, and decided it's time to buy a digital SLR. I've been
trying to figure out which Cannon to get, a I'm going to look at it the same way I look at computers. Buy the best you can afford when you're ready to buy. I can't worry about what's coming because something new will always be coming.
I find it hard to wait for this 10D when I can't even find any real solid info on it. If you have any advice for me to consider I'd appreciate it.
Rob
Maurice Joubert59901
Senior Member
Thanks for the info, but still too expensive for me compared to US prices (even they do not include VAT).
If there was not this warranty problem, I would order in USA..
DavidP #28649
Forum Pro
You can already get your negatives scanned at 8,000 to 10,000 dpi on high-end scanners.
It won't surpise me in the least to see a digital SLR that's 138 megapixels (equivalent to a 9600 dpi scan).
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Photography -- just another word for compromise
It won't surpise me in the least to see a digital SLR that's 138 megapixels (equivalent to a 9600 dpi scan).
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Greg M
Senior Member
What problem? What is everyone's obsession with the warranty? Except for cars, and they were minor, I don't think that I've ever used a warranty. If something is wrong with a product it ussually shows up right away and I just return it. Why do you think that these companies make a killing on extended warranties? It's because they are rarely used. Extended warranties are a rip-off.
If you are going to save so much money by purchasing one that doesn't have a valid warranty then you will have room to pay for most possble repairs. If there is something major that is wrong it should show up during the return period. Plus all you have to do is send the camera to a US repair facility to get the warranty item fixed. Chances are you won't have to.
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