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:-D where do the billy goats come in?
carpediem01 said:
NullPointer said:
What is your point? If you don't like DPReview then why are you
reading the site and posting here? Go somewhere else and be happy
for heaven's sake, life is too short for whining. Oops, wait, looks
like I may be feeding a troll, sorry folks, my mistake...
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It would seem quite a few people have stopped at the bridge and
threw a few scraps for it to feed on.
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christofurry

http://www.photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=523846
 
christofurry said:
if it makes any difference to anyone, 'askey NOT trustworthy' is
coming from someone whose two total posts are inside this thread.
:) oh well it doesnt really matter. i think phils reviews are
worthwhile and i enjoy reading them. obviously he cant test every
condition the camera would be in and how it can perform - or else
hed still be reviewing the canon pro 70. i think phils
contribution in the digital camera websites arena [couldnt think or
a better word :(] is great. each site shows us different things,
all are helpful. by the way, phil is paying me to write nice
things about this site, but i wasnt supposed to tell. oops!

MarekM wrote:
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It must be pretty obvious to anybody that if a site is good it has a huge follow-up. This one does. It is also quite ignorant to bash this site, if it is not to anybody's liking, joining it is free, leaving it even more so.
I have learned a lot and appreciate the effort going in maintaining it.

Reviews are always personal and never unbiased, no matter what anybody says. There is nothing wrong with it, there is enough technical info in them to draw conclusions.

On S50, I see not much wrong with not having it on this site. What's the point of announcing a camera that a manufacturer hasn't introduced, or said he would be introducing, that nobody has ever seen (except for a picture), that disappeared like an enigma from WallMart's site?
What's the point?
 
Pete Miller said:
Regarding Canon: what the hell is the deal with S50? How stupid do
they think people are? Reusing the same old camera with the
occaional change of colors and marketing it each time as a
different model.
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think it's called "niche marketing"... Nokia does it all the time, with their cellphones. Yet people are still buying them and they're still number 1 worldwide.

=)

cheers!
 
This is the most off-base set of comments I've read in quite some time.

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Ulysses
 
By no means was I sitting around fretting about this, but I have to admit I too was mildly surprised that nothing has been on the site yet about these new cameras. I would imagine it's embargoed information, but the leaks have sort of put everything out there. Still, am I paying Phil Askey a dime for all he does? No. So he owes me pretty much nothing.

Are we all really going to shrivel up and die if, God forbid, we hear about the S50 next week instead of this week? Is the money really burning a hole in your pocket that much? Because if so, please send some my way! I'll spend it for you.

(I'm really MUCH more interested in that A70. A certain S45 might be going on eBay if I find out that the A70 meets my needs! The only reason I didn't get an A40 was because I wanted slightly more resolution -- and I couldn't find one to hold and see how it feels.)
Pete Miller said:
S50 news have been out for two days, yet there's no mention of it
on this website. Other sites have been informing of it in spite of
their own Canon embargos. How is that possible? Respecting embargo
is one thing, acting like Canon's own marketing department and
ignoring reality another. It only goes to show who's in cahoot with
who, and it'd be wise to take that into consideration next time you
read a "Highly Recomended" rating on this site. I have been
questioning Askey's ratings for quite some time, but this really
shows who he's working for.

Regarding Canon: what the hell is the deal with S50? How stupid do
they think people are? Reusing the same old camera with the
occaional change of colors and marketing it each time as a
different model.

As if the whole S45 scam wasn't bad enough.......now this? Sure,
there will be morons cancelling their S45 orders and returning
those they already bought. But surely most of the picturetaking
population can't be that gullable and easily manipulated. What
Canon is doing is insulting and they should not get away with it.
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Hang out at those "other" sites instead. Better yet, go develop your own site so it meets your high standards. Your point is pointless.
Pete Miller said:
Frankly dpreview has traditionally been the last one to anounce
things (FinePix F700 case in point) and always far behind the
others with its camera reviews. Not to mention the quality of the
reviews. Imaging-resource and Steve's Digicams are a lot better. I
have no appreciation for Askey's laboratory test shots, as they
prove nothing. I'm sure even Fords are great cars in vaccuum
conditions. What's worse, his real life test shots that one needs
to judge a camera are not comparable, hence wortless as well.
John Burns said:
Let me be sure I understand you here. You are making the claim
that Phil, by honoring an agreement, has proven himself to be
untrustworthy. Now if he broke the agreement that would make him a
trustworthy individual in your eyes. Ok fess up. You work for
dubya don't you.
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Pete Miller said:
S50 news have been out for two days, yet there's no mention of it
on this website. Other sites have been informing of it in spite of
their own Canon embargos. How is that possible? Respecting embargo
is one thing, acting like Canon's own marketing department and
ignoring reality another. It only goes to show who's in cahoot with
who, and it'd be wise to take that into consideration next time you
read a "Highly Recomended" rating on this site. I have been
questioning Askey's ratings for quite some time, but this really
shows who he's working for.

Regarding Canon: what the hell is the deal with S50? How stupid do
they think people are? Reusing the same old camera with the
occaional change of colors and marketing it each time as a
different model.

As if the whole S45 scam wasn't bad enough.......now this? Sure,
there will be morons cancelling their S45 orders and returning
those they already bought. But surely most of the picturetaking
population can't be that gullable and easily manipulated. What
Canon is doing is insulting and they should not get away with it.
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Pete Miller said:
Frankly dpreview has traditionally been the last one to anounce
things (FinePix F700 case in point) and always far behind the
others with its camera reviews. Not to mention the quality of the
reviews. Imaging-resource and Steve's Digicams are a lot better.
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Then why do you read them?? Are you a masochist or what?

Peter
 
Pete Miller said:
The point is that he could have acknowledged that it has been
revealed on the Internet and try to compile the leaked information.
That would have been the informative thing to do. Jut the way
other, more reputable web sites have done it, without disclosing
anything they have been directly provided by Canon. The jig is out,
so pretending it isn't is just stupid. Askey's aproach reduces this
site to the manufacturers' press release outlet.

Frankly dpreview has traditionally been the last one to anounce
things (FinePix F700 case in point) and always far behind the
others with its camera reviews. Not to mention the quality of the
reviews. Imaging-resource and Steve's Digicams are a lot better. I
have no appreciation for Askey's laboratory test shots, as they
prove nothing. I'm sure even Fords are great cars in vaccuum
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Why is that? ON what do you base this, that the shots are worthless? Sorry but this is ridiculous.
Pete Miller said:
conditions. What's worse, his real life test shots that one needs
to judge a camera are not comparable, hence wortless as well.
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It can give you a good idea of how the camera performs in different situations similars to those shots you may want to take shots off. I don't see them as worthless but just different. Personally I read all the major review sites because they all have something unique to contribute and then "mentally merge" the reviews to come with my own observations and conclusions.
  • Raist
Pete Miller said:
John Burns said:
Let me be sure I understand you here. You are making the claim
that Phil, by honoring an agreement, has proven himself to be
untrustworthy. Now if he broke the agreement that would make him a
trustworthy individual in your eyes. Ok fess up. You work for
dubya don't you.
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Pete Miller said:
Regarding Canon: what the hell is the deal with S50? How stupid do
they think people are? Reusing the same old camera with the
occaional change of colors and marketing it each time as a
different model.
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Olympus do it all the time, the C5050 started off as the C2000 and has been gradually upgraded over the years, same with the Nikon 950 to 990 , D30 to D60, 1D to 1DS - it's cost effective and in the case of the S50, keeps them in the Megapixel race ---

The biggest ripoff was the Minolta Dimage 7 to 7i to 7Hi, they didn't update the sensor or even try to improve the questionable image quality or awful battery consumption..

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My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=27855

 
Yes - I thought the post count should be taken in consideration.

Somebody new to the community and the first series of posts are of this nature. -hummm something doesn't add up-

Yes - Phil straddles the fence a bit between Consumer and Manufacturer's Advocate. I believe he does it in good faith, to be able to continue to provide this site for free and make a living.

There are other sites of this nature, and if you don't subscribe to Phil's appraoch please go there.

End rant...
-Randy
christofurry said:
if it makes any difference to anyone, 'askey NOT trustworthy' is
coming from someone whose two total posts are inside this thread.
:) oh well it doesnt really matter. i think phils reviews are
worthwhile and i enjoy reading them. obviously he cant test every
condition the camera would be in and how it can perform - or else
hed still be reviewing the canon pro 70. i think phils
contribution in the digital camera websites arena [couldnt think or
a better word :(] is great. each site shows us different things,
all are helpful. by the way, phil is paying me to write nice
things about this site, but i wasnt supposed to tell. oops!
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Thank you for joining the site 14 hours ago to let us know you have it all figured out. It's one thing to question or give opinion, but it's entirely another to accuse without any proof...Yes unfortunatley Canon doesn't forcast their agenda, and come to think of it no great business would, especially when the competition is so fierce. Canon doesn't need this site as their "robot".

Posting rules:Trolls - Anyone deliberately antagonizing other forum users by posting 'flame bait' type messages are not welcome. Be civil - anyone being abusive, calling names or generally trying to stir up trouble will not be tolerated.
 
John Burns said:
Let me be sure I understand you here. You are making the claim
that Phil, by honoring an agreement, has proven himself to be
untrustworthy. Now if he broke the agreement that would make him a
trustworthy individual in your eyes. Ok fess up. You work for
dubya don't you.
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Jitter wrote:

Who's dubya? Are you in line with the conspiracy theory too. Political spin? You should try for Peter Jennings job.
--
Boy it's hard to hold this thing still. Jitter.
Member said:
Pete Miller said:
S50 news have been out for two days, yet there's no mention of it
on this website. Other sites have been informing of it in spite of
their own Canon embargos. How is that possible? Respecting embargo
is one thing, acting like Canon's own marketing department and
ignoring reality another. It only goes to show who's in cahoot with
who, and it'd be wise to take that into consideration next time you
read a "Highly Recomended" rating on this site. I have been
questioning Askey's ratings for quite some time, but this really
shows who he's working for.

Regarding Canon: what the hell is the deal with S50? How stupid do
they think people are? Reusing the same old camera with the
occaional change of colors and marketing it each time as a
different model.

As if the whole S45 scam wasn't bad enough.......now this? Sure,
there will be morons cancelling their S45 orders and returning
those they already bought. But surely most of the picturetaking
population can't be that gullable and easily manipulated. What
Canon is doing is insulting and they should not get away with it.
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John
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MarekM wrote:

I for one have completely lost track who answers whom in this thread or what the opinions and counteropinions are.

All I know: This site is the best of any sites that I have visited.
Rgds
 
Pete Miller said:
S50 news have been out for two days, yet there's no mention of it
on this website. Other sites have been informing of it in spite of
their own Canon embargos.
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uhm... as far as i know phil has taken the line that he does not post any kind of rumours, and this really is a rumour untill canon says "yes, we are going to release a s50".
Pete Miller said:
How is that possible? Respecting embargo
is one thing, acting like Canon's own marketing department and
ignoring reality another. It only goes to show who's in cahoot with
who, and it'd be wise to take that into consideration next time you
read a "Highly Recomended" rating on this site. I have been
questioning Askey's ratings for quite some time, but this really
shows who he's working for.
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Isnt phil usually accused for working for nikon? or was it fuji or was it.... these posts come in daily...
Pete Miller said:
Regarding Canon: what the hell is the deal with S50? How stupid do
they think people are? Reusing the same old camera with the
occaional change of colors and marketing it each time as a
different model.
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Never underestimate teh stupidity of the average joe, maybe they are releasing it as a s45 with a little bit more bells and whistles for those who are a bit more stupid and upgrading freaks. and you know business is business, i think canon has realized by now that there will allways be a flock of idiots running away and buying whatever they release on the market, as it has been untill now, and teh most stupidest buyers who buy after specs will not buy a s45 since it has "only" 4 megapiksels(or did it have 5, cant remember).
Pete Miller said:
As if the whole S45 scam wasn't bad enough.......now this? Sure,
there will be morons cancelling their S45 orders and returning
those they already bought. But surely most of the picturetaking
population can't be that gullable and easily manipulated. What
Canon is doing is insulting and they should not get away with it.
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people buying canons s-series arent mostly really photographers, many of them are just people who are obsessed to buy new things that cost more then they are worth.

Btw. i am getting the feeling you are a troll since this is the only post you have posted here and it clearly is posted to get everyone angry.

and you know what, phils service is free, and as i see it somewhat neutral, everyone has theyr own right to decide if what he writes is wrong or right, thats why everyone should check many sites before buying. If you think phil doesent do it well enough you could allways try to do it better yourself.

if phil was charging us for dpreview it would be a whole different story but as he is not, lets not feed the trolls.
 
Bravo, Pete. You're a clown. [Naturally, not "Pete Miller" a new visitor, but someone who visits and posts here regularly under another name.]

Be careful, Pete. Your mommy might not like you antagonizing people like this.
 
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