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MinotaMan said:
Being funny?? You seem to have no clue about where or how much oil
we get from Iraq. Listen up here. We get oil the old fasioned way.
We BUY it. Dahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

This is about fundalmentalists, bad muslims, bad weapons, rogue
states, and serioust threats to Israel the US and others. Grow up.
People like you are leading the dems into the ground!!!!

MinoltaMan
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... otherwise the US would have intervened in the Rwanda genocide or the North Korean famine. The whole focus of US policy in the Middle EAst has been to secure oil supplies. In the past, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait flexed their muscles on behalf of the Arab world. Now, they are American clients. Iraq is next.

The problem is that a large part of the Arab world sees the USA as acting against their interests. Resistance will grow as the USA imposes its will on the MIddle EAst. When will the USA force Israel to make a just peace in the Palestine?

Unless there is peace with the nuclear-armed Israelis, Arab nations will want the Islamic Bomb. If Iraq has the bomb, Iran will want one too. And, vice versa. The key to real peace in the Middle East lies in Palestine. Unless there is an acceptable Palestine solution, there will always be "rogue" states. And, plenty of war-mongering for people like Bush.

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Jim Tan
 
JimTanCanada said:
.... Bush is determined to go in because he outguns the Iraqi.
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That's not a reason
JimTanCanada said:
He is not subtle enough nor patience enough to depend on the UN.
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He is just doing that being patient
JimTanCanada said:
Anyway, the whole point is that if the US government had real
evidence, they would have found a smoking gun by now.
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No, this would imply that Saddam is a moron who does not know what he is doing. You do not become the leader of a country, no mather the way you gained power, by being a moron.

Secondly, it is possible that the real evidence may not be disclosable. If the info is from some Iraqui people, these people will loose their life and their friends' life and families' life. That would not be a good move for Bush to disclose such evidences. There is more things in this then meet the eye.

also I would believe that it would be way easier to obtain oil with money then with a war. Especialy so since the UN as laws/regulation pertainng to whom the mineral/oil ressources of a country belong to.

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Gaetan J.
 
JimTanCanada said:
... otherwise the US would have intervened in the Rwanda genocide
or the North Korean famine. The whole focus of US policy in the
Middle EAst has been to secure oil supplies. In the past, Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait flexed their muscles on behalf of the Arab world.
Now, they are American clients. Iraq is next.
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not clients, suppliers
JimTanCanada said:
The problem is that a large part of the Arab world sees the USA as
acting against their interests.
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yes
JimTanCanada said:
Resistance will grow as the USA
imposes its will on the MIddle EAst.
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please explain with some facts, this is often brought up but never substanciated.
JimTanCanada said:
When will the USA force Israel
to make a just peace in the Palestine?
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Israel is untunchable because of it's history, this does not imply that I am against or for Israel
JimTanCanada said:
Unless there is peace with the nuclear-armed Israelis, Arab nations
will want the Islamic Bomb. If Iraq has the bomb, Iran will want
one too. And, vice versa. The key to real peace in the Middle East
lies in Palestine. Unless there is an acceptable Palestine
solution, there will always be "rogue" states.
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Palestine is part of the problem. But according to my 2 coworkers friends who are muslim and from what we read in the news, muslim are brought up believing that the USA is the great satan. what can be done about that ? bomb them with reruns of giligan's island ;-)
JimTanCanada said:
And, plenty of
war-mongering for people like Bush.

--
Jim Tan
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Bush, the son, have no history of war, or war mongering, or whatever, only time will tell. His discourse may be only a way to force Saddam to accept the inspections.

--
Gaetan J.
 
razorjack said:
NUMBER: 33024

QUOTATION: If Kuwait grew carrots we wouldn’t give a damn.

ATTRIBUTION: Lawrence Korb (b. 1939), U.S. former U.S. assistant
defense secretary. International Herald Tribune (Aug. 21, 1990).

On the motives for “Operation Desert Storm.”
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that's too funny, that's just one man's opinion of the subject.

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Gaetan J.
 
AdamW said:
MinotaMan said:
Being funny?? You seem to have no clue about where or how much oil
we get from Iraq. Listen up here. We get oil the old fasioned way.
We BUY it. Dahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

This is about fundalmentalists, bad muslims, bad weapons, rogue
states, and serioust threats to Israel the US and others. Grow up.
People like you are leading the dems into the ground!!!!
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There are no "bad Muslims", "rogue states", "fundamentalists", just
serious threats to Israel, USA, and others. There are bad leaders,
corrupt leaders, deranged leaders, hellbent leaders, but they are
not all Muslims.

The USA is the world's superpower and supercop. It HAD to regulate
international matters simply because of what happened in the two
major World Wars. When some of those states, led by the bad
leaders, run afoul, the USA intervenes and maintains order. Who is
going to intervene and maintain order when the USA runs afoul?
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Hey smartguy. Spell this. Bologna. I have been to may muslim countries. Been there, done that. While you used a word processor and a non-sticky keyboard I guess? It does not takea bad leader to make terrorist cells or rogue warloards, daaaaahhhhhhh. Travel the world, I have, you will educate yourself , maybe......

Grow up. We will never need intervention from anyone else. Period. My family has been here since the 1600's so take the world leader bullcrap somewhere else please.You sound like cueball Carvill or something.

Bye

Don
AdamW said:
Learn how to spell.
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What camera you like best Gaetan? Your experience is very similar to mine and the people I know. Yep they need to check out the US oil supply lines. It's simply a big lie some people continue to probagate. Great thoughts you have added here.

Good Day

MinoltaMan
Gaetan J. said:
Gaetan J. said:
There are no "bad Muslims", "rogue states",>
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I have 2 coworkers who are muslim, one egyptian and the other from
.. I dont remember. They do not practice and they hate all muslim
from the arab countries. When I asked them about good arabs they
told me that most good arabs/muslim are living in occidental
countries. Their opinion is that Islam now is at a point comparable
to the catholics during the crusades.
Gaetan J. said:
Learn how to spell.
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English is not the only mother language around the world but we try.

about the oil thing. People saying that this is an oil war should
take a look at where the US buy it's oil.

--
Gaetan J.
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Chris G said:
Those who use the knee jerk reaction that this is about oil or the
price of oil just show how little they bother to become even
semi-informed about what they are talking about. They are typically
the ones that are just jumping on the latest bandwagon because they
can't think for themselves.

There will always be leaders in the world and the followers. And
those that sit on the sidelines and complain about any action that
some take. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the
problem.
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You sure said it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mouths shut please!

You should join a think tank. Most are filled with too much hooey.

Good Day

MinoltaMan
 
MinotaMan said:
Hey smartguy. Spell this. Bologna. I have been to may muslim
countries. Been there, done that. While you used a word processor
and a non-sticky keyboard I guess? It does not takea bad leader to
make terrorist cells or rogue warloards, daaaaahhhhhhh. Travel the
world, I have, you will educate yourself , maybe......

Grow up. We will never need intervention from anyone else. Period.
My family has been here since the 1600's so take the world leader
bullcrap somewhere else please.You sound like cueball Carvill or
something.
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"You must come with us. NOW."

Smartguy to woman: "How old are you again?"

Wow. If the USA suddenly turns into a dictatorship and forces all other countries to follow suit, there should be no intervention from anyone else?

Learn how to spell. Properly. Duhhhhh.
 
JimTanCanada said:
MinotaMan said:
Being funny?? You seem to have no clue about where or how much oil
we get from Iraq. Listen up here. We get oil the old fasioned way.
We BUY it. Dahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............

This is about fundalmentalists, bad muslims, bad weapons, rogue
states, and serioust threats to Israel the US and others. Grow up.
People like you are leading the dems into the ground!!!!

MinoltaMan
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... otherwise the US would have intervened in the Rwanda genocide
or the North Korean famine. The whole focus of US policy in the
Middle EAst has been to secure oil supplies. In the past, Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait flexed their muscles on behalf of the Arab world.
Now, they are American clients. Iraq is next.
Click to expand...
Nope to secure Christian and democratic intereststhroughout the region, where youbeen for the last 100 o rmore years? Iraq wanted Kuwaits portamd reserves, it should have been their or someoneelses long ago. long ago. I have participated in a display for a coupleof sultans in the 80's.

It is not about oil. It is about land!!!!!! Daaahhhhh. Replacing the PI base and others for strike power in the region.To promote democracy and maibntain security for all forward societies. Go back to school lib.You got it all wrong!!!
JimTanCanada said:
The problem is that a large part of the Arab world sees the USA as
acting against their interests. Resistance will grow as the USA
imposes its will on the MIddle EAst. When will the USA force Israel
to make a just peace in the Palestine?

Unless there is peace with the nuclear-armed Israelis, Arab nations
will want the Islamic Bomb. If Iraq has the bomb, Iran will want
one too. And, vice versa. The key to real peace in the Middle East
lies in Palestine. Unless there is an acceptable Palestine
solution, there will always be "rogue" states. And, plenty of
war-mongering for people like Bush.
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Everyone needs to stop killing the jew or risk being killed themselves. Yasir prolonged this, daaahhhh. If the Muslims would quit educating themselves in the mosque instead of univerities, the rest of the world would not be in this trouble now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Learn anything yet??

Bye

MinoltaMan
 
Canadian seems lost here....IMHO and many others...

MinoltaMan
Gaetan J. said:
Gaetan J. said:
... otherwise the US would have intervened in the Rwanda genocide
or the North Korean famine. The whole focus of US policy in the
Middle EAst has been to secure oil supplies. In the past, Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait flexed their muscles on behalf of the Arab world.
Now, they are American clients. Iraq is next.
Click to expand...
not clients, suppliers
Gaetan J. said:
The problem is that a large part of the Arab world sees the USA as
acting against their interests.
Click to expand...
yes
Gaetan J. said:
Resistance will grow as the USA
imposes its will on the MIddle EAst.
Click to expand...
please explain with some facts, this is often brought up but never
substanciated.
Gaetan J. said:
When will the USA force Israel
to make a just peace in the Palestine?
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Israel is untunchable because of it's history, this does not imply
that I am against or for Israel
Gaetan J. said:
Unless there is peace with the nuclear-armed Israelis, Arab nations
will want the Islamic Bomb. If Iraq has the bomb, Iran will want
one too. And, vice versa. The key to real peace in the Middle East
lies in Palestine. Unless there is an acceptable Palestine
solution, there will always be "rogue" states.
Click to expand...
Palestine is part of the problem. But according to my 2 coworkers
friends who are muslim and from what we read in the news, muslim
are brought up believing that the USA is the great satan. what can
be done about that ? bomb them with reruns of giligan's island ;-)
Gaetan J. said:
And, plenty of
war-mongering for people like Bush.

--
Jim Tan
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Bush, the son, have no history of war, or war mongering, or
whatever, only time will tell. His discourse may be only a way to
force Saddam to accept the inspections.

--
Gaetan J.
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Gaetan J. said:
Gaetan J. said:
Resistance will grow as the USA
imposes its will on the MIddle EAst.
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please explain with some facts, this is often brought up but never
substanciated.
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As recently as the summer BEFORE September 11, 2001, gasoline prices across the United States of America skyrocketed. Most drivers, who drove ultra-short-mileage and ultra-dangerous Sport Utility Vehicles (SUVs) -- many of them being Ford Explorers -- complained of high fill-up prices. As a result, George Bush Jr., the President of the USA, pressed (read: pressured and muscled) OPEC to ease up the taps.
Gaetan J. said:
Gaetan J. said:
When will the USA force Israel
to make a just peace in the Palestine?
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Israel is untunchable because of it's history, this does not imply
that I am against or for Israel
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Israel is not untouchable. In fact, Israel the state did not exist until after the demise of World War II, and the Arabs have never accepted the existence of Israel nor the Jews.

The Arabs view Palestinians as bad people, yes, but they are viewed more favourably than the Jews.
Gaetan J. said:
Gaetan J. said:
Unless there is peace with the nuclear-armed Israelis, Arab nations
will want the Islamic Bomb. If Iraq has the bomb, Iran will want
one too. And, vice versa. The key to real peace in the Middle East
lies in Palestine. Unless there is an acceptable Palestine
solution, there will always be "rogue" states.
Click to expand...
Palestine is part of the problem. But according to my 2 coworkers
friends who are muslim and from what we read in the news, muslim
are brought up believing that the USA is the great satan. what can
be done about that ? bomb them with reruns of giligan's island ;-)
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Well, the USA is readily visible, ever present in their daily lives, and pursues everything in its own interests. So when people have to find a scapegoat for the latest oil embargo, there's ALWAYS the USA and Israel right in front of them.
Gaetan J. said:
Gaetan J. said:
And, plenty of
war-mongering for people like Bush.
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Bush, the son, have no history of war, or war mongering, or
whatever, only time will tell. His discourse may be only a way to
force Saddam to accept the inspections.
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George Bush Sr. launched Operation Desert Storm against Iraq in the early 1990s, but the mission did not involve ousting Saddam Hussein. The mission was launched because Iraq invaded Kuwait without just cause, but the larger mission was to protect Kuwaiti crude from Iraq's thieving hands. The USA could import all the Kuwaiti crude from that small state as long as Hussein fails to seize it from them.

George Bush Jr. threatened to use pre-emptive strikes to oust Hussein, including but not limited to merceneries -- hired by the Central Intelligence Agency -- assassinating the hunted man. The USA might just give "state-sponsored terrorism" a new definition: the world's only superpower can do all that while forcing others to play safe.
 
MinotaMan said:
Nope to secure Christian and democratic intereststhroughout the
region, where youbeen for the last 100 o rmore years? Iraq wanted
Kuwaits portamd reserves, it should have been their or someoneelses
long ago. long ago. I have participated in a display for a coupleof
sultans in the 80's.

It is not about oil. It is about land!!!!!! Daaahhhhh. Replacing
the PI base and others for strike power in the region.To promote
democracy and maibntain security for all forward societies. Go back
to school lib.You got it all wrong!!!
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Christian Europe attempted to wrest the Holy Land from the Arabs in the Middle Ages by organizing the four Holy Crusades. Unfortunately, they failed to protect the sacred land from the Arabs, who were considered as one of the world's most dangerous armies of the time -- aside from Genghis Khan's Mongols.

Did you happen to believe everything US media says? It's about oil, Dan. Make no mistake: the USA is genuinely interested in Mideast matters ONLY because of the vast amounts of crude under the baked land.
MinotaMan said:
Everyone needs to stop killing the jew or risk being killed
themselves. Yasir prolonged this, daaahhhh. If the Muslims would
quit educating themselves in the mosque instead of univerities, the
rest of the world would not be in this trouble
now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So the extremist Jews who strike Palestinian civilian targets should be blessed and honored, while the extremist Palestinians who strike Jewish civilian targets should be exterminated and destroyed? See the difference here? Both the acts involve dead, innocent people; hence, it does NOT matter if you're an extremist Muslim or an extremist Jew, you should be exterminated and destroyed all the same.

How would you react if the mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks -- a series of attacks that killed 3,000 in the course of two daylight hours -- is NOT Osama bin Laden, BUT is Ariel Sharon?
MinotaMan said:
Learn anything yet??
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Some people swear by their cameras to the extent that they will fiercely defend them while arguing ad nausem against those who say bad things about them.

Sadly, that applies to many Americans. A few days ago, one teenager was suspended by his school simply for one innocent crime: freedom of speech, a t-shirt that contains the words "International Terrorist" and the picture of Dubya. If that is not a telltale sign of Americans with a strong reaction against all things anti-American, I don't know what else is.

P.S. As an American, your grammar skills rival the Engrish translators who worked on LOTR: The Two Towers.

AdamW
 
MinotaMan said:
What camera you like best Gaetan?
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owned : My graflex 4x5 crowngraphic :-) and my yashica tlr with a yashinon lens, any digital I own are not worth mentionning but they do the job when needed

not owned : any budget : Canon 1ds
not owned : but saving for : fuji s2

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Gaetan J.
 
to keep out from here, but ...
Gaetan J. said:
That's not a reason ...
He is just doing that being patient ...
No, this would imply that Saddam is ....
Secondly, it is possible that ...
That would not be a good move for Bush ...
also I would believe that it would be ...
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and, althogh (American) English is not my mother tongue, I found there an EXCESSIVE use of conditional tense.

So that I would* feel authorized to think that the whole reasoning is based on no actual evidence.
You can use conditional also for courtesy, Can't you?
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Rapick
 
MinotaMan said:
Nope to secure Christian and democratic interests throughout the
region,
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Securing "democratic" interests is one thing. ( Includes, I believe, "freedom" of/from religion )

If your vision is one of securing Christian interests, ...not on MY tax-dollar, please ;-)

Let YOUR choice of religion prevail(if it can) on it's merits, ...not because of OUR armed forces, huh?

Larry
 
Larry H. Smith said:
MinotaMan said:
Nope to secure Christian and democratic interests throughout the
region,
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Securing "democratic" interests is one thing. ( Includes, I
believe, "freedom" of/from religion )

If your vision is one of securing Christian interests, ...not on MY
tax-dollar, please ;-)

Let YOUR choice of religion prevail(if it can) on it's merits,
...not because of OUR armed forces, huh?

Larry
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Rapick
 
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