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Most of this list thread is off subject.

I am waiting for PMA 2003 before deciding which DSLR to purchase.

The rumors so far are:
1) 8 megapixels
2) About $2000
3) Perhaps based on the EOS 3 body - which may mean faster autofocus

Wishes:
1) Full-Frame 35 mm sensor - to get wide-angle shots back
2) Firewire connectivity
3) Faster than 3 FPS speed
4) Higher than ISO 1000 sensitivity for low light photos, e.g. rock concerts

5) Lower noise at higher ISOs - the FujiFilm S2 Pro has the D60 beaten in this regard.
 
I find this thread pretty interesting. If one makes the exercise of reading from top to bottom, It is really escalating from dslr rumors to war history and anything in between.
First of all, the reference that DavidP was pointing out is for those guys

url= http://eosseries.ifrance.com/eosseries/en/eos_news.html they are the one copying rumours from forums and not the Magazine Chasseurs d'images. The latter as mentionned before in previous threads is a well knowned and respected publication.
For everyone making negatives comments about Chasseurs d'images, let me ask you.
1: How many can read French fluently?
2: How many have read the magazine?

3: For those who have and still claim negative impressions. What kind of credentials do you have, to pretend to be better than those guys?

By the way, I don't need those sarcastic answers about the fact that I'm Canadian or French. I have heard them all!

Yes , I know I do make English mistake but at least I am able to read and express myself in 2 languages. I can at least talk from experience as opposed to gossup.

This is just my 2 cents on a thread that was based on a bunch of either inaccurate, vague or plain wrong statement about the Magazine Chasseurs d'images.

Francois Guay

By the way, anything related to being gay because of my family name, I have heard also.
Thibault said:
After reading my first post in this thread again, it seems like it
wasn't very clear :

Everything that's in Chasseur d'Image's articles about a successor
to the D60 are rumours, and is presented as such in the articles.
They aren't trying to trick you into believing they've got some
hard information, but instead made it clear that all this was only
a lot of educated guesses !!
That's not unreliable in my book. It's honest. Worthless,
certainly, but there's not trickery there.

BTW, I didn't need to babelfish the article or whatever to
understand, being french helps !

At least, starting to post here was an interesting experience, gave
me a taste of my kind of behaviour I can expect ... (funny, I
didn't notice that while reading the other threads. Maybe I wasn't
paying attention. )
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My answer for the autofocus problem of the D-60 has been the following.

I bought a EOS 3 on e-bay and a negative scanner. The only time my D-60 was letting me down was on fast sport action. The 1D was out of reach for me. So far so good.

Francois
marianco said:
Most of this list thread is off subject.

I am waiting for PMA 2003 before deciding which DSLR to purchase.

The rumors so far are:
1) 8 megapixels
2) About $2000
3) Perhaps based on the EOS 3 body - which may mean faster autofocus

Wishes:
1) Full-Frame 35 mm sensor - to get wide-angle shots back
2) Firewire connectivity
3) Faster than 3 FPS speed
4) Higher than ISO 1000 sensitivity for low light photos, e.g. rock
concerts
5) Lower noise at higher ISOs - the FujiFilm S2 Pro has the D60
beaten in this regard.
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Interesting, Nigel, that you offer only consumer-internet examples where the word is ubiquitous. And, what does this comment have to do with digital cameras, I might ask?

bg
Nigel Pond said:
"Forums" is a perfectly acceptable plural of "forum" in English,
and not at all "slumming it". There are some Latin words where the
original Latin plural is preferred, but this is not one of them.
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perhaps they deserve at least a little "jibbing"
Mark Douglas 2 said:
Maurice Joubert said:
Here is my translation (not very literary, and certainly not
reliable since I am french, and, according to some bigots, "not
trustworthy" :o).

As you will see, it's disappointing, since CI says he has no
informations and just do assumptions.

In practice, what lies before us

In the absence of any official infos, we are obviously reduced by
it to assumptions.
The disappearing of D60 is confirmed, which means that its
replacement is imminent.
But, on this point, Canon-France does not say a word!
All the eyes thus turn PMA, which will take place, this year, only
in March!
On our side, we would see well the arrival of TWO products: a very
consumer range DLSR general public and a and a more "brawny" DSLR
camera

D60 was built on an already old mechanical basis and which and
which is out of date.

We cannot forget our reaction when we discovered the EOS-300v with
its enormous lcd screen dedicated to show shootings infos.

If Canon decided to graft its C-Mos on the very reduced mechanical
basis of the 300v, one would obtain without surprise a EOS 300d one
can already imagine at bottom price!

Of course, such a camera would not give satisfaction to experts and
an huge gap appears between this hypothetical 300d and the very
professional EOS 1Ds.

There would be then a place of choice for a remake of D60 (D40,
D50, D300ds??? bets are open!) who would take again it's general
characteristics, but with a more important FPS rate and a more
powerful "image tweaking" mode!

If it's confirmed that the DLSR cameras are are doomed to short
commercial careers, many consumers could be discouraged.
For many of them, buying a DLSR camera is still regarded as an
investment and, although the death of a product does not prevent
those which are in service to continue to work, this infernal
cadence is vexatious for amateurs, what the firms cannot be
unaware of.
Mark Douglas 2 said:
As an EOS user looking to get a digital SLR in the near future,
I've been following rumors on this website regarding the
replacement for the D60. I don't have the time to peruse every
discussion, so please don't get ticked if this is something that
someone has already pointed out.

I found a pic of a Canon digital SLR on the Chasseur d'Images
website. Though my french isn't good enough to translate the
article, the accompaning pics make it look like a lower end dSLR -
probably based on a Rebel body.
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OddJob said:
OddJob said:
I probably studied American history more than you did. How many
French died during the Revolutionary War? Very few if any at all.
In any case, that debt has been repayed during the first World War.
They still owe us for WW2 and the subsequent reconstruction.
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Yes, you probably did. And if you know anything about history,
you'd probably also know that those who died in that war were
techincally not Americans. So, a good number were probably
French. Many more that Americans anyhow.
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That doesn't make any sense at all. Very few french died in the American Revolution. "so, a good number were probably french"... Why, because you want them to be? You're fantasizing that we owe you. My friend nailed it when he said we repaid that debt in WWI, now how about a "thank you" for WWII?

Those who dared to call themselves Americans were exactly that because they dreamed to be and wanted to be badly enough to fight for it. They pledged "their lives, their liberty and their sacred honor". They bled and died for freedom. Sometimes that is still necessary.
OddJob said:
OddJob said:
The US economy certainly isn't doing as well as it can be, but
compare to Germany and France, it a heck of a lot better. We don't
have double digit percentage unemployment and our growth last year
was twice that of France. Again, we are better.
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Really? I would rathe not talk abou this. But just as a rough
indication, check the exchange rate between the Euros and the USD
today.
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One of the big challenges facing American business is that the US dollar is so strong it is very difficult for europeans to afford our products. As the dollar has backed off its historic highs recently we are getting a little closer to a normal valuation and I hope it continues to return to fair value. In fact the Dollar is still strong enough to make a trip to Italy this Spring very affordable for me and my family. France is on sale too, but I would rather support my allies.
OddJob said:
I know that the exchange rate isn't the best thing to look at. But
bear in mind that 'growth' also includes the like of Enron.
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Yeah, like the French don't know anything about deception. At least we recognize it and deal with it...

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,515169,00.html this is a great story from the Observer about Transparency International rating the French the most corrupt developed government in the world. Fabulous.
OddJob said:
The US does have better employment rate. That's likely due to the
number employed in the legal system and of course, those in prison.
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Clever... wrong, but clever.
OddJob said:
OddJob said:
No, I'm lashing out because of their back-stabbing behaviour. And
it's not just over the Iraq thing. They've been doing it for over
50 years.
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couldn't have said it better myself... I'll buy you a beer sometime.
OddJob said:
Well, many from the US seems to believe that the world owes them
something and that gives them the rights to police everybody. When
someone thinks differently, they're wrong... democracy.

Face it, no one nation is 'better'. Even is anybody claims to be,
their definiton of 'better' would most like be too shallow to be
taken seriously.
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America has no desire to police anyone and we don't consider it a right to impose our thoughts on anyone. In fact we have stood up for people that agree very little with what we do. (remember Kuwait? Somalia? Bosnia?)

Further, we do consider it a right to protect ourselves from our enemies. You wept for 3000 souls who were murdered on Sept 11. Pledged your support on Sept 12. And stabbed us in the back on Sept 13th and that is where we all stand today. If Paris had been attacked America would be standing beside you today risking the same lives and paying the same costs and we would be doing it because it is the RIGHT thing to do. I don't have any idea why you believe Hussein is good and America is evil. I can't fix that. But in this war you will have to pick a side. Pick up a gun or stay the hell out of our way.
 
I don't respect the "journalism" of publishing a photoshopped image, and engaging in spreading the rumors that started on sites such as this. Even if they spelled it out clearly that that's what it was. Sounds more like something the National Enquirer would do than the Times.
Nicolas Meunier said:
Well you make a BIG confusion between a website made by an amateur,
who has nothing of a real journalist (eossesies) and one of the
most respected newspaper...

I hope you can make a difference between any website with rumors
and the Times...
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
TheTexan said:
you. My friend nailed it when he said we repaid that debt in WWI,
now how about a "thank you" for WWII?
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Thank you.

Now, how are you able to use the sacrifices made by US GI's in WW II as an excuse for invading Iraq? (it looks like France's reluctance to support an US led invasion of Iraq is what your grievance with the French people is all about?)
TheTexan said:
Further, we do consider it a right to protect ourselves from our
enemies. You wept for 3000 souls who were murdered on Sept 11.
Pledged your support on Sept 12. And stabbed us in the back on Sept
13th and that is where we all stand today. If Paris had been
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Huh?

Is this what it's all about? "They've killed 3000 of 'us', so now we must kill 3 million of 'them'"?
TheTexan said:
because it is the RIGHT thing to do. I don't have any idea why you
believe Hussein is good and America is evil. I can't fix that. But
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Who says Saddam is 'good'? And how does Saddam's personality play into this?

If you want to "pay" someone "back" for Sep 11th, then there are other countries you might want to consider. Most of the 'evil' hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. It'd be more relevant to invade them. Some conspirators hint that Mossad might be the brains behind Sep 11th (as Israel has been the only party gaining anything from all this). I say 'evil', because if you ask people in Saudi Arabia about that, they'll probably say they weren't. Hence: Invade SA! (added bonus: They've got oil too, plus they're not too busy paying heed to human rights)

The only reason to go after Iraq is the oil. If you take a look at fifty muslim countries, you'll find that Iraq is not the worst when it comes to progress, human rights -- it even has a hint of democracy. (thanks to USA's Iraq friendly politics during the 80s) Iraq is certainly flawed, but is it the absolutely worst country in its group? I don't think so. For all we know, the present administration might confuse Iraq with Iran...

It's worrying when USA/UK talks about nuclear weapons and chemical weapons one moment (while showing pictures of Iraqian factories) and the next try to convince everybody that it's a serious offence that Iraq has rockets that can reach 180km instead of 150km as dictated by a UN resolution. (as if anyone will care about the extra 30km -- it's certainly no threat to the US!) The list of Iraq's offenses grows shorter by every minute it seems. :-( Why this eager and is this all the evidence CIA has come up with all this time?

A couple of weeks ago USA increased their import of Iraqi oil (courtesy of UN's food for oil programme). Iraq used to account for 5% of US' oil import, now it's 10%. The oil worker strike in Venezuela isn't helping. Nor is the looming threat of a similar strike in Nigeria. USA's oil reserve is at its lowest since 1975. Iraq is the only nation who wants payment in Euro, not Dollar. Iran contemplated doing the same thing (I'm not sure they went through with it though) and found themselves on Bush' axis of evil list too...

Oil doesn't matter? Think again.

Personally I don't mind the US invading Iraq because of oil. That's an honest reason. The current excuses are just all too transparent.

--
Rune, http://runesbike.com/
 
Hi,

The only reason I am commenting here is because everytime someone says that Canon are coming out with something new, some people are making out like they are making it up.

I can tell you this, I have a friend who works for canon and when I asked him if I was best getting the G3 or saving for the D60 he said wait till
after the PMA in March before making up my mind.
He said not to bother asking any other questions, as he can not say.

I asked him how many pennies I should put away and he said more than the G3 but a lot less than the D60
What you make from that, if up to you.
What type of camera is coming out? I would not have a clue.

So after the PMA lets see who is right, all I know is that if my friend is telling the truth and it happens to be a digital SLR, I am going to be a proud owner of a new camera. :)
Mark Douglas 2 said:
As an EOS user looking to get a digital SLR in the near future,
I've been following rumors on this website regarding the
replacement for the D60. I don't have the time to peruse every
discussion, so please don't get ticked if this is something that
someone has already pointed out.

I found a pic of a Canon digital SLR on the Chasseur d'Images
website. Though my french isn't good enough to translate the
article, the accompaning pics make it look like a lower end dSLR -
probably based on a Rebel body.

Comment from the group? Again, I apologize if this has already
been pointed out by someone else.

Mark

--
digital imaging neophyte / new Apple computer user
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TheTexan said:
America has no desire to police anyone and we don't consider it a
right to impose our thoughts on anyone. In fact we have stood up
for people that agree very little with what we do. (remember
Kuwait? Somalia? Bosnia?)
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let me laugh.Can you tell me what's happening in kuwait actually ?
Can you swear bosnia is a laic democracy now ?
Somalia ? nothing to do with the black gold...........?

Are you really that manipulated ?

That's scary, really !
 
All the article speaks about some ridiculous rumor on the net and give good informations, the picture is presented as a fake found on the web VERY clearly, so their is NO rumors added by the newspaper. The article is about

the stupid rumour on the web, to say : stop looking this stupid things, that's all, but you prefer to think differently, even if you are unable to understand the article.

What you are doing here looks very clearly as the National Enquirer does, you writing, that somebody said something, that he clearly did not say...and hopping that many people will be ready to think you are right.
DavidP said:
Nicolas Meunier said:
Well you make a BIG confusion between a website made by an amateur,
who has nothing of a real journalist (eossesies) and one of the
most respected newspaper...

I hope you can make a difference between any website with rumors
and the Times...
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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Andrew(one) said:
Mark Douglas 2 said:
As an EOS user looking to get a digital SLR in the near future,
I've been following rumors on this website regarding the
replacement for the D60. I don't have the time to peruse every
discussion, so please don't get ticked if this is something that
someone has already pointed out.

I found a pic of a Canon digital SLR on the Chasseur d'Images
website. Though my french isn't good enough to translate the
article, the accompaning pics make it look like a lower end dSLR -
probably based on a Rebel body.

Comment from the group? Again, I apologize if this has already
been pointed out by someone else.

Mark

--
digital imaging neophyte / new Apple computer user
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Let the "it's all about oil arguement die." If it's just about oil, drop the sanctions and Iraq would be more than willing to sell us more and the price would drop fast enough. There is much more in play here.

I can't figure your position out... Do you not believe that Iraq is pursuing a 'weapons of mass detruction' program? Do you think if they have them they wouldn't use them on us if they could find a way?
matt said:
matt51514 said:
America has no desire to police anyone and we don't consider it a
right to impose our thoughts on anyone. In fact we have stood up
for people that agree very little with what we do. (remember
Kuwait? Somalia? Bosnia?)
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let me laugh.Can you tell me what's happening in kuwait actually ?
Can you swear bosnia is a laic democracy now ?
Somalia ? nothing to do with the black gold...........?

Are you really that manipulated ?

That's scary, really !
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That folks get frustrated at how the SAME TIRED RUMORS get rediscovered three or four times a day by people who post first and read later.

They hear something from a camera store employee or some other source; or better yet, they see a photoshopped picture on a foreign website and don't comprehend the surrounding text and come running straight here... ignoring the fact that we've heard all about the D40, D80, D90, batteries for D90, underwater housings, the 8D, etc etc etc around thirty times already.

What you friend has told you is nothing an astute observer would not figure out. It's pretty clear that the D60 is discontinued. It's also pretty clear that from a competitive standpoint, Canon will release a DSLR in the sub-$2200 range.

So it isn't that folks get upset over the sort of stuff your friend told you -- it's pretty much a given. But it's when someone shouts out "I'VE GOT THE REAL SCOOP! READ THIS MESSAGE!" and you find it's the same old tired regurgitated rumors it gets a bit frustrating. It's even worse when what they're regurgitating is yet another varient of an actual HOAX rumor that was posted here nearly three months ago:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3831219

We'll see whats what in a couple of weeks.

-- Lew
 
TheTexan said:
I can't figure your position out... Do you not believe that Iraq is
pursuing a 'weapons of mass detruction' program? Do you think if
they have them they wouldn't use them on us if they could find a
way?
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Do you believe an invasion is required before finding out for sure? And do you believe if they had such weaponry that they could find a way to get at you? (anyone can ship a nuclear bomb inside a container -- so the way is there already I guess, what's worse: It'd put a stop to world trade as we know it and it probably doesn't have to be a nuclear device either)

Iraq isn't the only "threat" against USA. What distinguishes them from the other threats is oil. (btw: 60 Minutes had an interesting story on this a month ago)

--
Rune, http://runesbike.com/
 
TheTexan said:
I can't figure your position out... Do you not believe that Iraq is
pursuing a 'weapons of mass detruction' program? Do you think if
they have them they wouldn't use them on us if they could find a
way?
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Exactly!

Did you ever see an evidence of Iraq preparing an attack against USA???

Today their is evidence of construction of missile with a range between 150 and 180km...and during the GolfWar, the best Iraq weapon was the Scud.. not exactly the style of weapon with a range to attack USA...so your assumption of an attack from Iraq against USA with mass destruction weapon are difficult to understand. Today one country is speaking of attack against USA with nuclear weapon...it's north Korea...but, because of the lack of oil in this country, USA is acting like this real treat does not exist and focus on Iraq, which is not a good country, but which is not a particular treat at this moment.

Today more and more country are laughing, when they are looking at the "evidence" of USA, we will not speak of the "super report from the MI-6", which is in fact a very old text written by an english student...

Understand me well, in no way I'm saying that Iraq is a good country, but I can not undestand, why the USA wants so badly to attack Iraq and only Iraq.

When I see today "the evidence" of the USA...I can't stop thinking of this girl, who said in front of the UN in 1990, that IRAQ was killing babies in KOWEIT...but in fact this girl was not in KOWEIT at this time and was in fact the daugter of the KOWEIT ambassador in the US...so the "main evidence" to convince the UN to attack IRAQ in 1990 was a complete lye.

So today, I would like to have good evidence BEFORE dropping tons of bombs on IRAQ population.
 
They will print any old rumour, if that's what you mean.
Mark Douglas 2 said:
DavidP said:
Mark Douglas 2 said:
As an EOS user looking to get a digital SLR in the near future,
I've been following rumors on this website regarding the
replacement for the D60. I don't have the time to peruse every
discussion, so please don't get ticked if this is something that
someone has already pointed out.

I found a pic of a Canon digital SLR on the Chasseur d'Images
website. Though my french isn't good enough to translate the
article, the accompaning pics make it look like a lower end dSLR -
probably based on a Rebel body.

Comment from the group? Again, I apologize if this has already
been pointed out by someone else.

Mark

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digital imaging neophyte / new Apple computer user
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The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons
http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
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digital imaging neophyte / new Apple computer user
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Derek
 
Er no, the US hasn't influenced a single country to switch from another language to English. Those influences came from before the US even existed.

English is so widely spoken in the US as well as everywhere else because of the language spoken by the early colonists, the same reason that Mexico speaks Spanish and Brazil speaks Portuguese.
Steve Farmer said:
TangoMan said:
Did you at anypoint learn about the history of languages? Or even
basic history? You would know that english used to be the language
of the peasant and uneducated.
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What? The English language (without further qualification) did not
exist until generations after the Norman Conquest when the
influence of the French-speaking Normans had been fully absorbed.
Of course there were dialects (as there are now), but English did
not really exist until it became the language of the common and
noble (with regard to the class system as distinct from personal
worth). Everyone should take note that the Normans invaded from
France but were originally of Norse extraction and that English is
more complex and flexible because the French influence.
Steve Farmer said:
(today, it [English] has become the world's
intercultural language because of it's simplicty as well as the
fact that the geographical situation of the usa prevented them from
being destroyed during the two world wars.
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We obviously aren't talking about the same English language. I've
studied Spanish, French, German, and Attic Greek (not as much as I
would wish), and "simple" is the last word I would use to describe
English. I think that the widespread use of English is entirely due
to the US's geographical location, as you observe.
Steve Farmer said:
Anyway, back to the french language:
Only a first rate mind could master a complex and beautiful
language like french. A language who had evolved with the sharp
minds of the sophisticated people who used it. That's why plenty of
the best works of litterature have been written in french by french
people and many foreign litterature had significant passages
written in french wich was the reference language of educated
people. (Read Tolstoi in the original when you have time) Numerous
french chef-d'oeuvres have been translated to english, but they
lost a significant part of their beauty in the translation (the
color gamut of english is smaller than french).
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Your pride in the achievements of French writers is completely
justified, and everyone who cannot read them in the original French
is poorer, just as everyone who cannot read Shakespeare, Robert
Frost, and others in the original English is poorer. However, I
cannot understand arguments about which language is "superior;" all
languages can be incredibly beautiful and expressive when used by
gifted speakers and writers.

I've read (some of) the other posts, and I understand why you were
compelled to respond. Language aside, your points are well taken,
and speakers of all languages should take note. America (and all
other nations) have done great and shameful things, but, if
Americans were less ignorant of the shameful things, they might be
less arrogant about the great things that America has done.

Now back to photography...

Good shooting!
Steve Farmer
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Derek
 
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