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Due to a bad manipulation, I answered nothing to myself...
I understood you well enough. I seconded a remark about "The
French" and you took offense.
I did not take offense of your opinion about the French, since I don'care and you are free to think what you want.

I just said such a remark has no place in this forum.
FYI... "Plenty of" in English requires a plural. So you can use
"fora" if you want to seem continental and sophiaticated, or
"forums" if you feel like slumming.
Not better answer than to track typos ?

BTW, how do you spell "sophisticated" ?
PS No one cares enough about the French to hate them.
Good news, so ignore us and stick to digital photography
 
First of all, don't criticize what you can't understand.

On voit la paille dans l'oeil de son voisin, mais pas la poutre
dans le sien.

Since you are a chinese american, i guess you did'nt work too hard to speak two languages.Maybe you just don't have the ability to learn..........languages ! ;-)

some of you should be more humble...

And if you want to have recent news, don't choose an article which was published in early january ....be fair for once !!!
 
I did not take offense of your opinion about the French, since I
don'care and you are free to think what you want.
I didn't offer you my opinion, i posted a humerous recollection of French military prowess.
I just said such a remark has no place in this forum.
That is your opinion. I suppose we could jump over to "open talk" if you want to talk seriously about it. Also, the post was not meant for you, although it seemed to bother only you. You must have taken offense at some level Maurice or you would have "walked on by" like everyone else.
Not better answer than to track typos ?
I thought i was being friendly. You humbly admitted your limitation and i thought you were having trouble. I didn't think it was a typo.

BTW I was defending you too, but obviously you didn't take notice

G
 
I speak and read Chinese (since I'm chinese american), thank you
very much. And I took 3 years of French in high school, what a
waste of time. Like I said, France is a 2nd rate power, speaking a
2nd rate language.
Speaking and reading is not enough. One must understand. Read my post again and try to understand.
Hints:
1."Hehehe" (the author must be joking)

2."write lyrics for Eminem" (the author thinks you can't be that small minded and you must be trying to stir up controversy)

I changed my mind since.

You are right in saying what a waste of time. Obviously you can't teach someone something beyond his grasp.

Let's go on, since I'm sure you enjoy "reading it" if nothing else. Obviously, nobody in his right mind would c*ap on a people's head if they don't like the smell of their own sh*t)

What do you think of your "first rate language nation's" taste in architecture. Personnaly, I'd much rather walk in Paris than most cities in USA. China is also well known to have a problem with preserving beauty.

Did you at anypoint learn about the history of languages? Or even basic history? You would know that english used to be the language of the peasant and uneducated. (today, it has become the world's intercultural language because of it's simplicty as well as the fact that the geographical situation of the usa prevented them from being destroyed during the two world wars. I would think that there isn't much to be proud to become the world first superpower when all other powers have been ruined by the war. (The allies in europe certainly needed a bit of help, after so many months of fighting, but america didn't face the germans all by itself back when germany was at the apex of its power. They might have been crushed (and saved by the french).

I could spend three years talking to you about how the bretton woods accords were designed to make sure USA would not lose the financial advantages recently acquired by chance. One of the instruments being the creation of the IMF (with its unacceptable balance of decision powers that should have changed as the european economies recovered.) Or I could speak of all the ferocities of both usa and great britain (the country who made "first rate" acts in a war with china that had to do with opium... remember? But I'm sure it would be a waste of time, as you say so elegantly.
Anyway, back to the french language:

Only a first rate mind could master a complex and beautiful language like french. A language who had evolved with the sharp minds of the sophisticated people who used it. That's why plenty of the best works of litterature have been written in french by french people and many foreign litterature had significant passages written in french wich was the reference language of educated people. (Read Tolstoi in the original when you have time) Numerous french chef-d'oeuvres have been translated to english, but they lost a significant part of their beauty in the translation (the color gamut of english is smaller than french).

Summary (so that you don't lose all of your time reading this)

In this essay you learned that one should not judge what he doesn't know and that infringment of this common sense rule exposes him to insulting those he didn't mean to insult. (you probably meant the french people, but by targeting the french language, you crapped on the belgians, the canadians, millions of americans, the swisses and many north african countries)

You also should have deducted that to some people, a tropical forest is more first rate than the bulldozer that seeks its destruction in order to feel more powerfull $$$, more acceptable to himself $$$, despite it's low self-esteem.

You were remembered a painful part of the chinese history inflicted on it by the very people you implicitly praise, so that you can be warned against the psychological effects that can develop on the vanquised people's children (you).

So, we were speaking about Chasseur d'images, right? Let's get back to business if you will :)

TangoMan

Hum...
Am I the only one thinking he deserved it?
 
BG,

That's one of the funniest things I've ever read - so very true. Though this obviously isn't the proper place to discuss politics or malign the French, it's just so hard to avoid the topic given the current trans-Atlantic political climate. My mother is French so I feel that I can get away with gently jibbing them occassionally. I truly believe that their own oil interests in Iraq (not ours!) and their resentment toward us (I'm an American) is what is really fueling their crazy position on the Iraq issue. I don't fault people for voicing dissent to war - heck, this whole thing scares the stink out of me, too. However, I think history will prove their stubborness and unwillingness to learn from the lessons of the past as a pivotal turning point in European history. Showing anything other than a united front with despots like Saddam is asking for trouble. Also, I still resent the French for not letting us fly over their airspace when we went to bomb Libyia - we lost a plane on that flight due to equipment failures that most attribute to the extra long flight.

I haven't read any other replies in this thread beyond this one (yet), and I suspect that you (and now me) are going to take alot of heat for pointing out the obvious with regard to France.

Mark

--
digital imaging neophyte / new Apple computer user
 
Maurice,

Thank you for taking the time to translate the article. Now I feel guilty about jibbing the French in my earlier posting.
Mark
Here is my translation (not very literary, and certainly not
reliable since I am french, and, according to some bigots, "not
trustworthy" :o).

As you will see, it's disappointing, since CI says he has no
informations and just do assumptions.

In practice, what lies before us

In the absence of any official infos, we are obviously reduced by
it to assumptions.
The disappearing of D60 is confirmed, which means that its
replacement is imminent.
But, on this point, Canon-France does not say a word!
All the eyes thus turn PMA, which will take place, this year, only
in March!
On our side, we would see well the arrival of TWO products: a very
consumer range DLSR general public and a and a more "brawny" DSLR
camera

D60 was built on an already old mechanical basis and which and
which is out of date.

We cannot forget our reaction when we discovered the EOS-300v with
its enormous lcd screen dedicated to show shootings infos.

If Canon decided to graft its C-Mos on the very reduced mechanical
basis of the 300v, one would obtain without surprise a EOS 300d one
can already imagine at bottom price!

Of course, such a camera would not give satisfaction to experts and
an huge gap appears between this hypothetical 300d and the very
professional EOS 1Ds.

There would be then a place of choice for a remake of D60 (D40,
D50, D300ds??? bets are open!) who would take again it's general
characteristics, but with a more important FPS rate and a more
powerful "image tweaking" mode!

If it's confirmed that the DLSR cameras are are doomed to short
commercial careers, many consumers could be discouraged.
For many of them, buying a DLSR camera is still regarded as an
investment and, although the death of a product does not prevent
those which are in service to continue to work, this infernal
cadence is vexatious for amateurs, what the firms cannot be
unaware of.
As an EOS user looking to get a digital SLR in the near future,
I've been following rumors on this website regarding the
replacement for the D60. I don't have the time to peruse every
discussion, so please don't get ticked if this is something that
someone has already pointed out.

I found a pic of a Canon digital SLR on the Chasseur d'Images
website. Though my french isn't good enough to translate the
article, the accompaning pics make it look like a lower end dSLR -
probably based on a Rebel body.
--
digital imaging neophyte / new Apple computer user
 
Did you at anypoint learn about the history of languages? Or even
basic history? You would know that english used to be the language
of the peasant and uneducated.
What? The English language (without further qualification) did not exist until generations after the Norman Conquest when the influence of the French-speaking Normans had been fully absorbed. Of course there were dialects (as there are now), but English did not really exist until it became the language of the common and noble (with regard to the class system as distinct from personal worth). Everyone should take note that the Normans invaded from France but were originally of Norse extraction and that English is more complex and flexible because the French influence.
(today, it [English] has become the world's
intercultural language because of it's simplicty as well as the
fact that the geographical situation of the usa prevented them from
being destroyed during the two world wars.
We obviously aren't talking about the same English language. I've studied Spanish, French, German, and Attic Greek (not as much as I would wish), and "simple" is the last word I would use to describe English. I think that the widespread use of English is entirely due to the US's geographical location, as you observe.
Anyway, back to the french language:
Only a first rate mind could master a complex and beautiful
language like french. A language who had evolved with the sharp
minds of the sophisticated people who used it. That's why plenty of
the best works of litterature have been written in french by french
people and many foreign litterature had significant passages
written in french wich was the reference language of educated
people. (Read Tolstoi in the original when you have time) Numerous
french chef-d'oeuvres have been translated to english, but they
lost a significant part of their beauty in the translation (the
color gamut of english is smaller than french).
Your pride in the achievements of French writers is completely justified, and everyone who cannot read them in the original French is poorer, just as everyone who cannot read Shakespeare, Robert Frost, and others in the original English is poorer. However, I cannot understand arguments about which language is "superior;" all languages can be incredibly beautiful and expressive when used by gifted speakers and writers.

I've read (some of) the other posts, and I understand why you were compelled to respond. Language aside, your points are well taken, and speakers of all languages should take note. America (and all other nations) have done great and shameful things, but, if Americans were less ignorant of the shameful things, they might be less arrogant about the great things that America has done.

Now back to photography...

Good shooting!
Steve Farmer
 
However, I
cannot understand arguments about which language is "superior;" all
languages can be incredibly beautiful and expressive when used by
gifted speakers and writers.
Agree :)
America (and all
other nations) have done great and shameful things, but, if
Americans were less ignorant of the shameful things, they might be
less arrogant about the great things that America has done.
Agree again.
Now back to photography...
More than agree ;)

TangoMan
 
Well, I assume the US is 1st rate
Damned right we are. What is it the French call us? "Hyperpower"
The US wouldn't even exist today had it not been for the French.

Did you ever learn about the American Revolution at school?

In 1775–83, the Thirteen Colonies on the Atlantic seaboard of
North America won independence from Great Britain and became the
United States. It is also called the American War of Independence.
I probably studied American history more than you did. How many French died during the Revolutionary War? Very few if any at all. In any case, that debt has been repayed during the first World War. They still owe us for WW2 and the subsequent reconstruction.
As for a second rate power, if you look at how badly the US is
doing at the moment economically, it's hard to say that any country
is 2nd rate in comparison. Except maybe some countries in Africa
where there's a civil war going on.
The US economy certainly isn't doing as well as it can be, but compare to Germany and France, it a heck of a lot better. We don't have double digit percentage unemployment and our growth last year was twice that of France. Again, we are better.
I have no idea why you decided to lash out at French/France just
because you studied it at high school and thought you'd rather do
something else. It's just sad, really sad.
No, I'm lashing out because of their back-stabbing behaviour. And it's not just over the Iraq thing. They've been doing it for over 50 years.
 
Sorry, I guess I just assumed that a reputable magazine wouldn't publish rumors like the ones on their site. And didn't mean to start a thread of French bashing. Most publications regardless of the subject matter that I would consider "reputable" wouldn't publish a web page of rumors like this one.
Chasseur d'Images = National Enquirer.
 
Oh, I must have hit a sore spot to get such a long response. I'm an engineer, so I admit I'm have no interest in languages (I didn't even finish reading your whole post, skipped the part about the french language because i got bored), my original comments was meant to belittle the french whom I despise very much at this moment (historial and political reasons, not cultural). You are right, we should go back to talking about cameras. I apologize for getting off topic in the first place (just wanted to vent some anger at the time).

p.s. I just want to correct something you said at the end about chinese history. Obviously you don't know much about it, or you would know that historically the French has caused a lot more "pain" in China than the US. While France (in partnership with other european countries) has conquered and looted China, it the US that help liberate it from Japanese occupation. To this day, there are countless treasures stolen from China that are still proudly displayed in the museums in France. Perhaps you should stick to talking about the French language and leave chinese history to someone who knows it better.
I speak and read Chinese (since I'm chinese american), thank you
very much. And I took 3 years of French in high school, what a
waste of time. Like I said, France is a 2nd rate power, speaking a
2nd rate language.
Speaking and reading is not enough. One must understand. Read my
post again and try to understand.
Hints:
1."Hehehe" (the author must be joking)
2."write lyrics for Eminem" (the author thinks you can't be that
small minded and you must be trying to stir up controversy)

I changed my mind since.
You are right in saying what a waste of time. Obviously you can't
teach someone something beyond his grasp.

Let's go on, since I'm sure you enjoy "reading it" if nothing else.
Obviously, nobody in his right mind would c*ap on a people's head
if they don't like the smell of their own sh*t)
What do you think of your "first rate language nation's" taste in
architecture. Personnaly, I'd much rather walk in Paris than most
cities in USA. China is also well known to have a problem with
preserving beauty.

Did you at anypoint learn about the history of languages? Or even
basic history? You would know that english used to be the language
of the peasant and uneducated. (today, it has become the world's
intercultural language because of it's simplicty as well as the
fact that the geographical situation of the usa prevented them from
being destroyed during the two world wars. I would think that
there isn't much to be proud to become the world first superpower
when all other powers have been ruined by the war. (The allies in
europe certainly needed a bit of help, after so many months of
fighting, but america didn't face the germans all by itself back
when germany was at the apex of its power. They might have been
crushed (and saved by the french).
I could spend three years talking to you about how the bretton
woods accords were designed to make sure USA would not lose the
financial advantages recently acquired by chance. One of the
instruments being the creation of the IMF (with its unacceptable
balance of decision powers that should have changed as the european
economies recovered.) Or I could speak of all the ferocities of
both usa and great britain (the country who made "first rate" acts
in a war with china that had to do with opium... remember? But I'm
sure it would be a waste of time, as you say so elegantly.
Anyway, back to the french language:
Only a first rate mind could master a complex and beautiful
language like french. A language who had evolved with the sharp
minds of the sophisticated people who used it. That's why plenty of
the best works of litterature have been written in french by french
people and many foreign litterature had significant passages
written in french wich was the reference language of educated
people. (Read Tolstoi in the original when you have time) Numerous
french chef-d'oeuvres have been translated to english, but they
lost a significant part of their beauty in the translation (the
color gamut of english is smaller than french).

Summary (so that you don't lose all of your time reading this)
In this essay you learned that one should not judge what he doesn't
know and that infringment of this common sense rule exposes him to
insulting those he didn't mean to insult. (you probably meant the
french people, but by targeting the french language, you crapped on
the belgians, the canadians, millions of americans, the swisses and
many north african countries)
You also should have deducted that to some people, a tropical
forest is more first rate than the bulldozer that seeks its
destruction in order to feel more powerfull $$$, more acceptable to
himself $$$, despite it's low self-esteem.
You were remembered a painful part of the chinese history inflicted
on it by the very people you implicitly praise, so that you can be
warned against the psychological effects that can develop on the
vanquised people's children (you).

So, we were speaking about Chasseur d'images, right? Let's get
back to business if you will :)

TangoMan

Hum...
Am I the only one thinking he deserved it?
 
Ditto, Mark. In addition, it is clear that if the sanctions were lifted and Saddam resumed his camera production, flooding the digital camera market with his high quality canon-killer camera, we would have wished we took him out 12 years ago. Much more important than oil, since the US gets a mere 6% of its oil from Iraq--hardly enough to wreak the type of damage he could inflict in the digital camera market.

bg
That's one of the funniest things I've ever read - so very true.
Though this obviously isn't the proper place to discuss politics or
malign the French, it's just so hard to avoid the topic given the
current trans-Atlantic political climate. My mother is French so I
feel that I can get away with gently jibbing them occassionally. I
truly believe that their own oil interests in Iraq (not ours!) and
their resentment toward us (I'm an American) is what is really
fueling their crazy position on the Iraq issue. I don't fault
people for voicing dissent to war - heck, this whole thing scares
the stink out of me, too. However, I think history will prove
their stubborness and unwillingness to learn from the lessons of
the past as a pivotal turning point in European history. Showing
anything other than a united front with despots like Saddam is
asking for trouble. Also, I still resent the French for not
letting us fly over their airspace when we went to bomb Libyia - we
lost a plane on that flight due to equipment failures that most
attribute to the extra long flight.

I haven't read any other replies in this thread beyond this one
(yet), and I suspect that you (and now me) are going to take alot
of heat for pointing out the obvious with regard to France.

Mark

--
digital imaging neophyte / new Apple computer user
 
I think, you have to read a good translation of the article of chasseur d'images, because they NEVER gave bad information and they clearly mention when something is a rumor or not. Chasseur d'images like to point out some rumors, when they know, that the rumors are true or close from the truth. chasseur d'images knows already, what will append, but they are not allowed to give the information, but when they are pointing some rumors, you can be sure, what the right information are very close.

So David...can you give me an example of a rumor they present as a real information and was not true??? Chasseur d'images is known all over the world as one of the best photography magazine so, please be carefull before giving such a ridiculous comment.

Actually the picture, which is mention here is a piture of a EOS-300V and NEVER the article says it's a picture of a future DSLR. The picture is here to speak about a upcoming DSLR in the class range of the EOS-300V, that's all. If you can't read french, don't comment the article.

Of course i'm speaking of the articles on the website...the redaction of Chasseur d'images is not responsable of the content of the forum.

Regards
Nicolas MEUNIER
They are, to put it mildly, idiots. They will repeat ANY rumor
they THINK they hear.
So chasseur d'images is a poor source of information?
 
ALL they do is REPEAT rumors. They don't have any inside info.

This was QUITE clear when they "stole" my predictions about the D30
upgrade over a year ago.

Yeah, eventually they will get it right. But only because
somebody ELSE does first.

I'd like to meet their "researchers". All they do is scour the
forums for rumors, and repeat them.
YOU ARE RIDUCULOUS,

Chasseur d'images is one of the most respect magazin in the world, they have already tested the succesor of the D60 and when they spoke about an upcoming full-frame DSLR with CMOS, EOS1D body and 3fpslast june...they were true...

SO STOP speaking like this of my favourite magazin.
Chasseur d'image is 20years old, has the most advance laboratory to test

the cameras and lenses...when they finded a bug in the pre-series EOS3, Canon recalled the cameras and modofied the software...etc...
 
The problem with Chasseur is that they publish both facts and
rumors, and they do not label the rumors as such.
The problem is THEY CLEARLY label the rumors...but it's so easy to judge something WITHOUT reading the articles.

Chasseur d'Images is more than 20years old and respect all other the world...are you sure, that a non serious mag, may stay in place for such a long time???
 
Well you make a BIG confusion between a website made by an amateur, who has nothing of a real journalist (eossesies) and one of the most respected newspaper...

I hope you can make a difference between any website with rumors and the Times...
Still, anything out of the latter magazine is pure speculation.
Nothing more. Well-respected or not, their "guesses" are no better
(or worse) than any from other sources.
I think your are confusing EOSseries :
http://eosseries.ifrance.com/eosseries/en/eos_news.html
with Chasseur d'Images :
http://www.photim.com/Arrive/Sommaire.asp

Chasseur d'Images is a well respected and serious magazine.
--
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http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net
Photography -- just another word for compromise
 
"Forums" is a perfectly acceptable plural of "forum" in English, and not at all "slumming it". There are some Latin words where the original Latin plural is preferred, but this is not one of them.
FYI... "Plenty of" in English requires a plural. So you can use
"fora" if you want to seem continental and sophiaticated, or
"forums" if you feel like slumming.

G.

PS No one cares enough about the French to hate them.
Nice, Maurice, that you yourself add to the list, "victims". And I
hardly think the French history of human rights is one to be proud
of. Don't you think it is funny?
I am sorry you did not understand what I mean (english is not my
native language)

This is a forum dedicated to digital photography.

There are plenty of forum where you can dump your hatred and
prejudices against french people.

That's the reason why I think your contribution is quite irrelevant
and demonstates only your ignorance and rudeness
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I probably studied American history more than you did. How many
French died during the Revolutionary War? Very few if any at all.
In any case, that debt has been repayed during the first World War.
They still owe us for WW2 and the subsequent reconstruction.
Yes, you probably did. And if you know anything about history, you'd probably also know that those who died in that war were techincally not Americans. So, a good number were probably French. Many more that Americans anyhow.
The US economy certainly isn't doing as well as it can be, but
compare to Germany and France, it a heck of a lot better. We don't
have double digit percentage unemployment and our growth last year
was twice that of France. Again, we are better.
Really? I would rathe not talk abou this. But just as a rough indication, check the exchange rate between the Euros and the USD today.

I know that the exchange rate isn't the best thing to look at. But bear in mind that 'growth' also includes the like of Enron.

The US does have better employment rate. That's likely due to the number employed in the legal system and of course, those in prison.
No, I'm lashing out because of their back-stabbing behaviour. And
it's not just over the Iraq thing. They've been doing it for over
50 years.
Well, many from the US seems to believe that the world owes them something and that gives them the rights to police everybody. When someone thinks differently, they're wrong... democracy.

Face it, no one nation is 'better'. Even is anybody claims to be, their definiton of 'better' would most like be too shallow to be taken seriously.
 

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