I Think I Made a Big Mistake

james · Feb 7, 2003

I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy, and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

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jim kelly · Feb 7, 2003

that most of the non-intitive part will become second nature - you have to give it some time.

As far a RAW conversion - if there is not software available now - there will be some soon.

Email chris at [email protected] and maybe he knows of a program for you MAC dudes and dudettes.

Jim

Kevin Roczey · Feb 7, 2003

Hi James,

raw+jpg isn't a bad option to use...it takes up more space on the CF card but it sure saves a lot of time having a full size (or small jpg) image to quickly review.

Yes it is big and heavy, but think of it as being durable and capable

The menu's are something that anyone can learn with enough practice. It may not be intuitive to what you're used to, but easy enough to learn with patience and practice.

In the end it's really whether or not you need the resolution and capabilities the 1Ds delivers. If you do, then you are pretty much stuck (other than waiting for new stuff to come out), if not, there are other options out there. One thing I've found though, is the capabilities I desire in a camera always limit me to the biggest and heaviest body's that exist. I'll be happy when I can have the 1D capabilities in the size of a D60 body

Until then I have to live with the 1D as is.

Kevin R.

james said:
I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy,
and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

--
Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

William Carter118959 · Feb 7, 2003

Just a quick thought -- I had teh EXACT same misgivings after I got mine. (how will I carry this thing around with me for grab shots? Why is it taking so long to do anything in File Viewer on my Mac? etc). Then I went on a 10 day trip where I spent most of the time taking photos. The camera is indeed heavy, but it is very well balanaced and ergonomic. Even on days where I walked around and shot for 5 hours, the weight didn't get to me.

Then I got home and started processing the pics. yes, the processing was slow, but wow, the images were good.

None of this alleviates your concerns -- just sharing my thoughts. I would still like a smaller camera to have for those cafe type shots, and who knows, I may get one after PMA.

BTW, Adobe is supposed to be coming out in the next couple of weeks (during Photoshop World probably) with a Raw converter plug-in for Photoshop. I'm banking that it will be better than File Viewer (it can't really be worse...)

Kevin Roczey said:
james said:

I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy,
and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

--
Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

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Jonathan Lefcourt · Feb 7, 2003

james said:
I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy,
and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

--
Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

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Jonathan Lefcourt

JasperF · Feb 7, 2003

I think this camera is more than your need, the body is the sameas 1D. It is much more balanced thanD60 ad it reduces shake. I myself have a canon s45 PS that I use in times that is not needed to carry a big 1Ds. I put on automatic and there I go. Great pics. You want a professional camera to act as point and shoot. I do not think there is any harm to have raw plus jpeg. I use Iview media pro on mac for quick preview. The shuts that I want I keep and araise the one that are not a keeper. I think the balance on 1D and 1Ds are optimal for taking shake free pics. D60 was imbalance camera. My suggestion get a PS camera for otehr times.

Calvin Chann · Feb 7, 2003

james said:
I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy,
and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

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Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

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Gervaise Davis · Feb 7, 2003

james said:
Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Member said:

Cheers

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James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

--James, I went from a D60 and had the same feeling for a while, but as others have said here, it will grow on you and you will find using it in the field is not much different than smaller cameras. The quality and possibilities are really awesome.

As to the menus and controls, they become very easy and natural after a couple of weeks of use, and are really almost instinctive.

Finally, wait for the PS7 RAW converter due in a month or so, it looks very neat and fast, and does things in a very natural way. I can hardly wait for it ! It will make a real difference.

Gerry Davis
'Imagination is more important than knowledge'
-- Albert Einstein

james · Feb 7, 2003

I do need the extra pixels big time for book production, it is double page spreadable.

Thanks for all your kind attention to my plight!

I guess I will grow into it.

Canon got very geeky with the menu design IMHO. But perhaps that is what people want, something you really got to study that bamboozles the novice. It doesn't fall like the well-designed menu does on the d30/60. I took to that system straight away because it was natural. Wonder why they didn't use the central button in the wheel for the 1D/1Ds?

My concern is I have to drag the darn thing around in gardens for hours on end. I don't know why they have to build it so durable when it is going to be obsolete so soon. Let's face it 2 years is optimistic for how long it will be before I want to upgrade.

I am not worried about theft, I will just swing it at the would-be thief's head and hope it doesn't kill him/her.

Consolation: the 1Ds are in such short supply here that in a week or two if I still feel this way I could ebay it to a good home!
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Cheers
James Young
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Adam-T · Feb 7, 2003

Member said:
hours on end. I don't know why they have to build it so durable
when it is going to be obsolete so soon. Let's face it 2 years is
optimistic for how long it will be before I want to upgrade.

The 1DS is the type of totally professional Camera usually bought by people and companies who don't upgrade all the time, I know a lot of newspaper and commercial guys still using the old 2.5Mp Nikon D1 and even some with the old Kodak 1.? and 2Mp hulks, the D1 guys I know have no intention of upgrading even NOW, a D100 would have fallen apart in the time they've been using their cameras.

I'm sure that buyers of the 1DS in its intended market will still be using the camera in 5 or more years regardless of how many pixels the new stuff has.

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irascian · Feb 7, 2003

I'm surprised to hear that. I think the menu's work very intuitively and much prefer the division of functionality into the four tab areas to what I had with the D30. Overall I feel the EOS 1Ds is much more "idiot-proof" than the D30 was.

The weight also was not as bad as I'd been lead to believe it might be. Although friends who thought my D30 was "heavy" might disagree with that.

All-in-all I'm very pleased with the camera other than the much slower workflow because of the bigger file sizes (but that's the main reason I bought the camera - doh!)

james said:
I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy,
and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

--
Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

james · Feb 8, 2003

I am becoming convinced I took it for a spin today.

irascian said:
The weight also was not as bad as I'd been lead to believe it might
be. Although friends who thought my D30 was "heavy" might disagree
with that.

All-in-all I'm very pleased with the camera other than the much
slower workflow because of the bigger file sizes (but that's the
main reason I bought the camera - doh!)

james said:

I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy,
and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

--
Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

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Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

Ken Phillips · Feb 8, 2003

... when there are part-time pros and amateurs that will wear out a D60 in a year - really! (I would be one of them, at 5-6K clicks per month.) The EOS-1 series, whether film or digital, is meant to be used.

I don't think that the menus are so 'geeky' ... I think you were used to the D60, and they are different! But it's very difficult to accidently change a setting; that was intentional.
If you need the pixels your choices are limited ... the 1Ds or a digital back.

Perhaps the Kodak 14n will fill your needs when it is available, if you don't mind low ISO, short exposures, no MLU, amateur AF, and the fact that it won't take certain Nikon lenses.
KP

james said:
I do need the extra pixels big time for book production, it is
double page spreadable.

Thanks for all your kind attention to my plight!

I guess I will grow into it.

Canon got very geeky with the menu design IMHO. But perhaps that is
what people want, something you really got to study that bamboozles
the novice. It doesn't fall like the well-designed menu does on the
d30/60. I took to that system straight away because it was natural.
Wonder why they didn't use the central button in the wheel for the
1D/1Ds?

My concern is I have to drag the darn thing around in gardens for
hours on end. I don't know why they have to build it so durable
when it is going to be obsolete so soon. Let's face it 2 years is
optimistic for how long it will be before I want to upgrade.

I am not worried about theft, I will just swing it at the would-be
thief's head and hope it doesn't kill him/her.

Consolation: the 1Ds are in such short supply here that in a week
or two if I still feel this way I could ebay it to a good home!
--
Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

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Seth Honeyman · Feb 8, 2003

I'm in the same boat. After I put in the battery and hefted it - man, this is heavy! The others are quite right, the quality and the full frame so outweigh the problems (no pun) that you forget about the kilograms you're toting. But - the combination of 1DS and 28-70 is one I have to think about. I never found the weight of the 28-70 objectionable on my D60. Combined with the 1DS, however, its an awesome package. I'm really thinking about going back to primes and doing a bit more walking.

Regards - Seth

James Long · Feb 8, 2003

My same old post boring post.

Process dictates tools, not vice versa.

Not fun. Doesn't feel good.

Learn folks!

Stefan Schott · Feb 8, 2003

james said:
I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much.

Sorry to hear that.

I hated the menus on my 1D at first, too. But they do indeed become 2nd nature once you get the knack.

As far as the weight is concerned, please consider that a heavy camera is less prone to shake than a light one, due to the momentum of mass.

No worries, mate!

Member said:
Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

Would you ship to Germany?

Greetings
Stefan

David R Stout · Feb 8, 2003

You mean you paid all that money for something you've never even handled !!!

David

james said:
I just got my 1Ds and I don't like it much. It is far too heavy,
and the way the menus work is very non-intuitive.

Added to that the software works really badly on a Mac; there is no
way to quickly preview a Raw file in the software, the only option
is to record Raw plus jpg and view the jpg.

Anyone in Australia want to buy a brand new 1Ds? : )

--
Cheers
James Young
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~youngjames/

Juli Valley · Feb 8, 2003

Is the 1D or 1Ds that much heavier than the D60 with a grip installed?

Mike48088 · Feb 8, 2003

Juli

The D60 weights about 30.2 oz and 1D/1Ds about 55.9 oz. I think the grip with batteries is 13 oz.

Hope this helps.

Mike

Juli Valley said:
Is the 1D or 1Ds that much heavier than the D60 with a grip installed?

Larry H. Smith · Feb 8, 2003

Mike said:
Juli

The D60 weights about 30.2 oz and 1D/1Ds about 55.9 oz. I think the
grip with batteries is 13 oz.

So 43 oz. vs 56 oz? Less than a pound difference?

LOL

This is too much like another phenomena that always kills me: The guy in the hunting group who is always bragging about his ounces-lighter "mountain rifle" is the guy with the extra 45 lbs of lard on his butt!

And he's worried about the "heavy" equipment he's carrying?

Oh, yeah, ...he's a LOT better off with that light-weight rifle!!

Priorities, anyone?

Larry

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