Most inspiring photo of all time....

William C · Feb 3, 2003

I was thinking about this and how inspiring photographs are taken without
the thought of being inspiring in the first place. When it comes to great
painting and sculptures from the past they are done to inspire.
Michanlangloes's David was done to inspired the people of Florence.
Inspiring photographs are taken to capture the moment usually for
history but never to inspired.

If was ask what photography to take from the past, it would have be
George Washington crossing the Delaware River. His rag tag soldiers,
poorly feed, poorly cloth for the winter. Some did not have shoes and
were bleeding in the snow. About to attacked the superman army of the
world, the Hussein. The paintings we all seen of the event would not
have even come close to an inspiring photography if we were lucky to
have cameras during that time.

Bill

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grumpy · Feb 3, 2003

What are you, a puppet for Fox News? The phrase is "suicide bomber" no matter how many times Ari tries repeats the incorrect phrase. The distinction should be obvious.

Thomas Gardner said:
BabyNSX said:

The world is a corrupt and unjust place. The evil and powerful are
rewarded, the innocent and poor are not. The murder of this boy is
an example. He was not a terrorist, he was a boy living in Gaza,
dodging bullets his whole life. This one he didn't dodge. Where did
Israel gain from his killing (and the murder of the ambulanceman
who tried to save him)?. Free men must speak up for those who are
not free.

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Please, put the blame where it belongs, the homicide bomers that
want this death and distruction to contine.

BabyNSX · Feb 3, 2003

Thomas Gardner said:
Please, put the blame where it belongs, the homicide bomers that
want this death and distruction to contine.

Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

Andreas Steiner said:
Member said:

Peace is a good thing but it's a good thing when the good are
willing to go to war to stop the bad.
So please, your view is only one half of the coin. And your
comment, "brainwashed", says that only your viewpoint is valid.

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Your answer is completly out of context. In my posting, I...

Your comment quoted below.

"...or is everybody already brainwashed from US war propaganda?"

Member said:
a) made an observation: how is "inspiration" understood here and
how I understand it

The comment was not a statement on inspiration, it was a political comment.

Member said:
b) asked a question: has the seeming consens of "inspiration" here
anything to do with the ongoing US war propaganda

I didn't "state my views" or anything. My views are...

Your comment above, clearly stated you view.

Member said:
a) This is not a forum to discuss politics or
morals (not related to photography).

And your comment was a non-political, photographic comment?

Member said:
b) This forum shouldn't provide a platform for
any kind of propaganda.

Why not? And if it bothers you, the rules state that you're suppose to bring your complaint to the moderator, not take the task on yourself.

Member said:
I saw tons of postings going against the above views recently and I
consciously didn't replay ("don't feed the trolls"). Your answer
together with the VERY STRANGEe understanding of "inspiration" in
this thread is enough for me to refrain from any further
discussions in this thread.

But when asked to talk about inspirational photographs, you speak about "brainwashing". Okay, that's fine. Have at it.

I'll be happy to go to e-mail, but I haven't a clue why, in this case, it's necessary as you comment and context was very clear.

Graham Snook · Feb 3, 2003

Chris Maddock said:
Andreas Steiner said:

Chris Maddock said:

Seems to be a lot of death in there :-(.....does part of being a
iconic image involve death?

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I don't understand why 90% of the images mentioned in this thread
are about war, death, violence, especially from the US military
history.

Looks like I have a completly different understanding of the term
"inspiring" than the rest here...

...or is everybody already brainwashed from US war propaganda?

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Buring vietnamese girls are hardly propaganda from the US, burning monks guess someone gave him a few dollars to play for the camera...silly me, vietcong suspect punishment as it should be? I think not
How about WTC cunning plot and big fireworks? do me a favor

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Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

Chris Maddock said:
It inspired me to hope that one day, people will realise that the
only people that war really affects are the non-participants.
Maybe my hope is in vain, but I'll still hold on to it.

Please! Hold onto that thought as it's a good one

In the meantime, don't be afraid to kick some bad guy booty. Remember, more innocent people are hurt by leaving bad guys in power then are hurt when the bad guys are forcefully and efficently removed from power.

I'd rather endure the terrors of war then experience the terrors of a torture chamber.

William C · Feb 3, 2003

zidar said:
But the tank crew also deserves some credit for putting
their necks in the noose.

This guy put is life on the line and did not know for sure will the tank over
him or not. I cannot even start to understand why anyone in the world
would give the tank crew credit. They had an easy decision because no
one knows for sure were that they ordered to stop. Ordered by the tank
commander or by the commander in charge of the tank column. We do
not know what orders were given to them before they started on their
mission. I give credit when the facts are known.

I know this. It takes guts to play chicken with a tank and it was more than
one tank. It takes humans courage and the best qualities of the human
race, when you are willing to stop a tank column for principles with the
possibility you will loss your life. This event has been played out
In the past by people seeking a better was of life.

Please, giving the tank crew credit is an insult what is best in being human
and those who have died in the past seeking a better way of life.

Bill

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Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

Graham Snook said:
Thomas Gardner said:

Beth said:

Beth wrote:

I have a hard time understanding why a photograph with political
content is unacceptable to some people.

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But how does this image inspire.

Inspire, to me means, to go out and do better with yourself.

How is watching a child protected by a father going to inspire you
to go out and do better?

I think the point of the original question has been twisted to mean
what is the most emotional image that you've seen as opposed to
what is the most inspirational image you've seen.

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So it doesn't inspire you to be a better father, friend or person
on the street?

No it doesn't. But not in a bad or argumentative way.

I'm not a Bible beater but my religious training (Christianity/Jesus) is my inspiration to go forth on a daily basis, to be the best person I can and to treat people in a manner that I would want others to treat me. I try on a daily basis to be the best father and husband that I, as my own person, can be.

If it takes an image of "what ever" to do this, then the person has some serious issues that need to be dealt with. Why? Being the best, daily, is an adult responsiblity not an inspirational time and moment, based upon an image.

Graham Snook said:
It doesn't say to you that life is precious, live it to the best of
your ability?

No it doesn't. It tells me to stay out of those sorts of areas and if I'm in those sorts of area, I shouldn't be having children and I should be looking for a way to leave! That's what a good father would do.

Graham Snook said:
It doesn't say that the bond between the father and the son was so
strong that he would protect his son with his own body and life
before that of future generations?

My son may one day enter the military, you don't think that I'd rather go in his place?

I can assure you, that if I was in the same environment, I would have been long gone, before I had children, not after. The conflict has been going on long before the child was born. Do you think to hold the father responsible, for irresponsibly bringing this child into the world?

Graham Snook said:
If it doesn't inspire you to do the best you can, in the time you
have, I don't know another photo that will

One doesn't always have to look outward to be inspired as one isn't always uninspired and in need of inspiration.

Here's my inspiration. It's religious in nature, so don't get ticked if religion gets you upset.

http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/index.htm

Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

Chris Maddock said:
But does it lie there? There are two sides to every argument.

Not all the time. Sometime there are people that just don't care and like an excuse to blow innocent people up.

Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

grumpy said:
What are you, a puppet for Fox News? The phrase is "suicide
bomber" no matter how many times Ari tries repeats the incorrect
phrase. The distinction should be obvious.

That must be it, I have no independent thought.

Some call it a vehicle. Others call it a car. Some call it an automobile. You can call it anything you want, we'll both know what you're speaking about.

They're terrorists that like to commit homicide. They're "homicide bombers". It's an appropriate name for their behavior. If you want to call them something else, that's fine, I'll not call you a puppet.

Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

BabyNSX said:
Thomas Gardner said:

Please, put the blame where it belongs, the homicide bomers that
want this death and distruction to contine.

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Why? Because you're above being disagreed with? When you purposefully strap on a bag of explosives, walk into a shopping mall and pull the pin, you are wanting the death and destruction to continue.

Why? Because you know full well, that in committing this act, there will be deserved retaliation.

When the intent is purposful, the reason is also clear.

lharris · Feb 3, 2003

Though some may find these depressing, I find certain of these shots inspiring. I see them as symbols of what belief and faith can do in helping to keep people alive to raise future generations. I see them as faces not of just one nationality, but of many nationalities respresented of our most evil pitted against our most noble human spirits to raise ourselves above the cruel and the ugly and to emerge. We see this replaying, sadly, in places all over the world....That is, until our voices unite...

Danny Cardenas said:
-Danny Cardenas

Ze Pequeno said:

Amonst all the warmongers herein, a bit of sugar is most welcome.

Zp

Beth said:

Beth wrote:

How about this one?

W. Eugene Smith captured his own children walking hand-in-hand in a
garden. For me it represents all the potential in the world for
peace and goodness. How's THAT for fuzzy, female thinking?

Beth

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grumpy · Feb 3, 2003

The motives for committing homicide and committing suicide are usaully very different. That is why one should use the correct term when describing the act. I believe that it is important to understand the motives.

Thomas Gardner said:
grumpy said:

What are you, a puppet for Fox News? The phrase is "suicide
bomber" no matter how many times Ari tries repeats the incorrect
phrase. The distinction should be obvious.

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That must be it, I have no independent thought.

Some call it a vehicle. Others call it a car. Some call it an
automobile. You can call it anything you want, we'll both know
what you're speaking about.

They're terrorists that like to commit homicide. They're "homicide
bombers". It's an appropriate name for their behavior. If you
want to call them something else, that's fine, I'll not call you a
puppet.

Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

grumpy said:
The motives for committing homicide and committing suicide are
usaully very different. That is why one should use the correct
term when describing the act. I believe that it is important to
understand the motives.

The motives are clear, they want to kill innocent people going to work in buses or having coffee in a streetside cafe. Their intent is clear and it's not pure. Their intent is purposful, dirty and evil.

They are committing murder which is known as homicide and they're using a pursposefully strapped on bomb to enact this intentional homicide. There's nothing honerable about their behavior. They are murderers.

So rightfull, whether or not you choose to see their behavior as the act of a "homicide bomber" or "committing homicide" via suicide is not my concern as the term I use, is how I see their behavior, based upon the purpose/intent of their purposeful and directed act.

Graham Snook · Feb 3, 2003

Forget about blast craters, fill in flash, shadows on stones etc...

Put your sensible head on, and think about it from a photographers point of view....

1/ The film used was slide film Kodachrome 160asa...slide film is daylight balanced, daylight is the colour of the light that is filtered by our atmosphere, (why the sky looks blue) moon has no atmostphere, how are the pics colour correct? film doesn't have have that much colour latitude

2/(You might need a hassleblad for this one)...take a hassleblad, take off the viewfinder, cover it in tape. Take photographs without looking down, guessing the distance to focus, and get a stunning collection of perfectly framed/cropped images, all pin sharp....because of their visors/helmets they couldn't look down through the view finders or through a correction prism...I don't believe they had either, to "save weight for take off on the way back" the cameras were left behind, only the film backs came back.

3/ Place an exposed film in an oven, thus simulating the heat of the sun on the moon without an atmosphere, now take the film and place in a freezer, to represent going into the shade.... see how good your pics turn out after that...you never know it might correct the colours from the atmospheric problems

4/ Put someone in a white boiler suit, place on a concrete foundation, simulating the moon, backlight them slightly, guess the exposure, and get detail everwhere! Slide film has a small exposure latitude, and it's expected that non photographers to get perfect exposures in a light that no one has experienced before...I didn't see them carring a weston, did you?

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mel hill · Feb 3, 2003

Sadly my first national Mag cover ;-(

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danks · Feb 3, 2003

Did I miss it? I have not seen it come up in this thread. The photo is quite controversial. Apparently it was a reenactment, for the camera. The "real" flag raising had occured earlier. So, in a way, the photo is a fake I suppose.
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Danny Cardenas · Feb 3, 2003

Thomas Gardner said:
Danny Cardenas said:

I can't remember where I first saw that shot, but I know it's in
Steichen's "Family of Man" catalog- which is full of magical images
that speak to the best and worst in humanity. It's definitely nice
to see some people still value the best our species has to offer.
There's more than enough chest pounding, armchair generals around
to remind us of the worst we have to offer.

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I beg your pardon but the flag rasings do represent the best we
have to offer. Just not in the manner, shape, or form that you
want to see.

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The photo represents many things- dogged determination and uncommon valor, but more importantly the sacrifice of nearly 7,000 Marines and Sailors in a battle that raged for a month after the photo was taken. 20,000 Marines and Sailors were wounded at Iwo Jima. More US Marines died at Iwo Jima than in any battle in Marine history. A third of all Marine Corps casualties from WWII occured in the battle of Iwo Jima. More CMH's were awarded to Marines and Sailors at Iwo Jima than were awarded in any other battle in history.

These things are hallowed and should not be forgotten, but I strongly disagree with you that they symbolize the best in humanity.
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Thomas Gardner said:
How quick we forget our history and what was going on in the late
thirties and early forties.

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How quickly we idealize it.

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Thomas Gardner said:
The Mt Sarabachi Flag rasing represented the freeing of all of Asia
from the tyranical grip of the hateful Japanese who tried to take
over all of Asia. Millions were set free because of the US Marines

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The taking of Mt. Suribachi does not represent the end of the war in the Pacific, it doesn't even represent the end of that battle. The battle raged for another month, and claimed the lives of three of the men in the photo. The war in the Pacific raged for another six months. The "freeing of all of Asia from tyranical grip of the hateful Japanese" (how do you come up with this stuff?) could perhaps be more accurately symbolized by the mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki that killed, by conservative estimate, over 110,000 civilians.
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Thomas Gardner said:
efforts that took this mount. If the Marines had failed and the US
had lost the Pacific war, the US was going to be divided up between
Germany and Japan.

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What? How do you figure? Germany surrendered in May of 1945, days after Hitler committed suicide. He committed suicide rather than be personally taken prisoner, or executed by the Red Army. Japan surrendered four months later- days after we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians. Even if we had lost the war in the Pacific, how would the US be divided amongst the Japanese and the Germans?
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Thomas Gardner said:
So yes, flag raisings can and do represent the best our species has
to offer.

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Maybe in Hollywood, or for the people who sit at home and watch the sanitized "reality TV" versions of warfare on CNN. But for the men, women and families who've shed their blood, given life and limb for your entertainment, they don't.

Thomas Gardner · Feb 3, 2003

danks said:
Did I miss it? I have not seen it come up in this thread. The photo
is quite controversial. Apparently it was a reenactment, for the
camera. The "real" flag raising had occured earlier. So, in a way,
the photo is a fake I suppose.

That's the myth.

Here's the truth.

http://www.bluesgig.net/ThePhotographers/CONFLICT/world_war_ii.htm

Look down to the image and the print to the right of the flag raising image.

grumpy · Feb 3, 2003

I never implied their acts were honorable. I also can believe the acts are evil yet still understand that something is motivating them. If you want to be simplistic and believe that there is absolutely nothing motiviting them other than pure evil, then go ahead.

Thomas Gardner said:
grumpy said:

The motives for committing homicide and committing suicide are
usaully very different. That is why one should use the correct
term when describing the act. I believe that it is important to
understand the motives.

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The motives are clear, they want to kill innocent people going to
work in buses or having coffee in a streetside cafe. Their intent
is clear and it's not pure. Their intent is purposful, dirty and
evil.

They are committing murder which is known as homicide and they're
using a pursposefully strapped on bomb to enact this intentional
homicide. There's nothing honerable about their behavior. They
are murderers.

So rightfull, whether or not you choose to see their behavior as
the act of a "homicide bomber" or "committing homicide" via suicide
is not my concern as the term I use, is how I see their behavior,
based upon the purpose/intent of their purposeful and directed act.

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