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I was hot to see the specs on this D600 camera. Looks great!

Can anyone please explain to me why you can't change aperture in live view with real-time simulation? It's bad enough that you have to open up the aperture anyways for critical focusing.

Is this a physical limitation or just crippling code?

Why do even the low-end Canon rebels allow this functionality? Is the physical design less limiting?

Nikon seems so intent on giving feature rich cameras at a low cost, but why do they seem to always cripple this feature?

I truly want to know the reason behind this strange omission, which honestly is holding me back from getting one of these cameras in the future. I focus and expose with live view 80+% of the time for landscape work.
 
How would anybody know? I personally think product differential. This camera is amazing for the price. Actually for the price, perhaps a bit better than we should have expected. and if one thing had to go, thats one I won't miss. There are work arounds, although they are annoying.
 
I think you can change it in live view, just not during a video . I believe that is how the D7000 works as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Yes you can actually change aperture during video recording.

You just need a lens with an aperture ring. You also need to turn on the option for aperture setting (f5 - then go to the sub menu for aperture setting, then select aperture ring).

I tried this out just now and it does allow me to change the aperture while recording. The ISO automatically adjusts to maintain the same exposure.

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Johan01 said:
Can anyone please explain to me why you can't change aperture in live view with real-time simulation?
Is this a physical limitation or just crippling code?
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The aperture-control mechanism in the higher-end bodies includes a motor for setting aperture, which is strong enough to work against the spring force which drives the aperture closed during an exposure (or live view). Thus the motor can alter the aperture setting during live view. Such a motor cannot be made arbitrarily small, and I suspect the reason why it doesn't appear in the D600, is simply due to space restrictions.

The more compact bodies may use a smaller motor that is only capable of positioning a cam prior to the shutter opening; while the shutter is open, the spring force against the cam, or the design of the cam (e.g., a step cam), prevents the motor from moving it.
Johan01 said:
Why do even the low-end Canon rebels allow this functionality? Is the physical design less limiting?
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Yes. Canon EOS lenses each have their own internal aperture drive, which can operate independently of what the body mechanisms are doing.
Johan01 said:
I truly want to know the reason behind this strange omission, which honestly is holding me back from getting one of these cameras in the future. I focus and expose with live view 80+% of the time for landscape work.
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The D600 limitation does not prevent you from doing this. You simply need to add another live-view exit/initiate cycle.
 
AllOtherNamesTaken said:
I think you can change it in live view, just not during a video . I believe that is how the D7000 works as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Unfortunately, you are wrong. On the D7000, it is a complete nightmare.
While you can change the aperture in LiveView, it does not change. ;-)

To make myself clear, while in LiveView, you can turn the dial, and the aperture pretends to be changing, but it has no effect on the resulting aperture being used when you press the shutter button.
 
No, with the D800 there is a separate motor for actuating the aperture lever. So you can change the aperture while in LV.

However, there IS a severe software bug in the D800 (and D4 AFAIK): you are forced into exposure simulation mode, meaning that the lens is always stopped down to the chosen aperture. This is not the way it is supposed to work, the exposure simulation mode is meant to be reached through a button press, letting you choose what mode you want (see the manual).
 
I need your help,

Basically, this is the scenario in the studio:

D600 on the tripod head, studio strobes are ready,
so only modeling light available
manual lens with aperture ring (Nikon AF-D, Zeiss, Leica...)

you set manual mode, 1/200 shutter speed, MLU, Live view
you create composition, using MF and zoom on Live view set focus zone

and now adjust aperture let's say you need f11 on your lens
(no live exposure meter or histogram on screen, so I metered it before)

the question is, you go dark on the screen like the Nikon D800?
 
If you have a lens with an aperture ring - I think you are good to go - just change the aperture on the ring.

Its only the G series lenses that have problems - no aperture rings.
 
Canadianguy said:
If you have a lens with an aperture ring - I think you are good to go - just change the aperture on the ring.

Its only the G series lenses that have problems - no aperture rings.
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do you mean the the luminosity remains the same in the Live view image
although I close the diaphragm changing the aperture with the ring?
 
why wouldn't auto-iso adjust iso value while in manual mode? ( as aperture is being changed ) thx
 
that the entire function is better implemented. Of course, Sony's A900 had no Live View and prevented me from investing in the system although I really covet the Zeiss 24-70 for that mount.

My Nikon is the D3x and as far as I know I can't do the following while in LV:

1.) can't change brackets
1a.) certain on-screen information goes away when bracketing is turned on
2.) No exposure simulation as I know it in my Canon equipment.
3.) No timer function
4.) No MLU
5.) No continuous modes
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Why do even the low-end Canon rebels allow this functionality? Is the physical design less limiting?
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Actually, is also adjusts in manual mode....I just tried it myself on my D600 and the ISO fluctuates depending on ambient light if it's on Auto.

Rick
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Yes - the auto ISO will compensate for aperture changes as long as you're in any mode other than Manual.

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