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Adding FF D600, can't decide which body to dump
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exdeejjjaaaa
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did somebody already point to PhotoPerzon syndrome here ?
jim stirling
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The 28mm F1.8G,50mmG F1.8 and 85mm F1.8G are all fast lensesOf course, I completely understand what you mean. But when you ain't gonna use the fast lenses then why dump the smaller system for FF just to get the same results?
Here is a nice comparison at 50 mm focal length:
http://camerasize.com/compact/#289.352,378.353,290.353,ha,t
Although i have all the high grade fast lenses from Nikon If I was starting a new FF system to go along with my mFT gear I would use fast primes on FF and for longer work I would use mFT and the far more compact zooms. Jim
People are allowed to be, and generally are, somewhat capricious when it comes to making trivial decisions such as what camera system to choose next. Opinions should be viewed on their own merits rather than the individual's past form. So there is no question of taking someone seriously or not, it's how one thinks of this or that particular opinion.
Triggr Happy
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hey, no insult intended. just a joke
Trig, not really, I am insulted. I am on a path of continual improvement, I am going for better and better, Photoperzon is a hapless idiot who dots around from camera to camera. OMD is sideways, I always knew that, GH2 and OMD are similar in lots of respects and differentiated by IBIS, size and MAR. I loved GH2 so thought the extra DR and IBIS would be an improvement. It is and it isnt, and as such I want more, much more. D600 is on the radar to give me more, not less!you also have money to burn like him and can afford to change cameras as often as some people change socks?
The problem with this theory/approach is that the 50 1.4 is poor wide open, particularly on a full-frame camera. See the slrgear test results:
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1231/cat/12
Be sure to choose the D3X tab rather than the APS-C tab for the resolution results. In order to get a sharp center, you need to stop down to f2.0. In order to be sharp across the frame, you need to stop down to f2.8. That significantly reduces any perceived FF advantage at achieving shallow depth of field, as compared to m4/3 (which has the benefit of lenses that are typically sharper near maximum aperture).
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1231/cat/12
Be sure to choose the D3X tab rather than the APS-C tab for the resolution results. In order to get a sharp center, you need to stop down to f2.0. In order to be sharp across the frame, you need to stop down to f2.8. That significantly reduces any perceived FF advantage at achieving shallow depth of field, as compared to m4/3 (which has the benefit of lenses that are typically sharper near maximum aperture).
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canon 5d2 weighs 810 grams. what's the big deal on the nikon d600 weighing 800grams?
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos5dm2/specifications.html
rhlpetrus
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Why? It seems the difference in OQ is only more pixels, it's much heavier, and price diff is enough for a couple of good primes or even a nice fast 3rd party zoom.
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rhlpetrus
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Nikon is 24-120 f/4. Or 24-85 3.5-4.5, small kit.
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well written, i myself switched from D90, and still tempted to go back now with D600, but i think instead i will upgrade to OMD from my G3 first and then if its not enough i will re-evaluate.
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illy
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D600 of course
I've already tried it on my GF1 --
Listen! Listen! Do you hear? The moon is weeping in a secret room! They tap at my window, with tiny poles!
Moving to the D600 only really makes sense if used with the primes like the 50 and 85 AF-S or legacy glass. This comparison shows just how much sense it makes;
http://camerasize.com/compact/#381.352,187.81,378.353,ha,t
...but with those huge heavy expensive zooms? Reading on other forums the criticism of the D600 is that it is to small to offer the grip and balance needed to match those lenses.
More than anything though it does look like APS-C is in its dying days.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#381.352,187.81,378.353,ha,t
...but with those huge heavy expensive zooms? Reading on other forums the criticism of the D600 is that it is to small to offer the grip and balance needed to match those lenses.
More than anything though it does look like APS-C is in its dying days.
snooked123
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My vote would be Gh2 too.
dko22
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saw the D600 at airport last weekend and i must say I was surprised by how much smaller it is than the D800 --- enough to perhaps see the point Adventsam is making. OK --when FF becomes mirrorless then it will shrink in time when matching lenses become available. But surely by then m43 will have upped its quality yet further and reasonable sized lenses f1 or faster should increasingly appear. It makes some sense just now to have two systems at the moment in an ideal world but choose just one and I've no doubt that for me m43 is the best option when everything is taken into consideration. For 98% of situations, the 12,25,45 combo gives adequate DoF control and the other 2% will probably not be restricted to 3rd party MF lenses in a year or two. We do need faster max shutter and/or lower min ISO as well to use these large apertures in bright conditions (or even just a built-in ND) but that will surely also happen.
David
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Adventsam
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lol, I decided that the FF option and the 24-120 lens was just that, 24-120, the crop mode sounds a bit naff on this sensor; add in that it was still significant weight over m43 ie 400mm lens is getting huge and so on. The 10mp crop is also a big compromise from the 16mp files of m43 and the video in crop mode too seems to be sub std. All in all the weight was ridiculous for a "system" and am holding back to see how the other options develop with Sony. At the moment I am sitting on the fence and just enjoying the OMD ;-)
Olymore
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Sam, what's not clear to me from your previous posts are your 'needs'.
Do you need the thinner DOF or low light advantages of FF (with appropriate lenses of course) ?
I can't recall you posting any photos that suggested that was your style or interest.
It's all very well changing systems but will it actually improve your photographs.
I think it's wise to at Louis Dobson's approach where he carefully evaluates his needs and then buys the most suitable equipment.
Also I recall him saying that he prints up to 60 X 40 and finds M43 good enough for that.
I get the impression that you are being driven by gear lust rather than need and that can be an expensive road to go down.
Personally for me the old 12mp sensor was suitable apart from DR and if that had sufficient DR I would have been looking to upgrade my cameras every five years at most. In fact when Olympus comes out with a larger four thirds lens PDAF compatible camera with the current sensor, that and the OM-D will be sufficient for a long time barring any revolutionary advances
Do you need the thinner DOF or low light advantages of FF (with appropriate lenses of course) ?
I can't recall you posting any photos that suggested that was your style or interest.
It's all very well changing systems but will it actually improve your photographs.
I think it's wise to at Louis Dobson's approach where he carefully evaluates his needs and then buys the most suitable equipment.
Also I recall him saying that he prints up to 60 X 40 and finds M43 good enough for that.
I get the impression that you are being driven by gear lust rather than need and that can be an expensive road to go down.
Personally for me the old 12mp sensor was suitable apart from DR and if that had sufficient DR I would have been looking to upgrade my cameras every five years at most. In fact when Olympus comes out with a larger four thirds lens PDAF compatible camera with the current sensor, that and the OM-D will be sufficient for a long time barring any revolutionary advances
If you don't care about weight, the D600 looks to be an amazing tool. But don't fool yourself. In spite of your incredibly short-sighted, idiotic and just plain wrong railing against the GH3, a bag full of a D600 and 3 or 4 lenses is going to weigh at least double what a similar m43 kit will weigh.
That might not matter to you. It does to me.
Aside from that, from what little I've seen, I don't think new hardware is really going to make you a better photographer.
I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
That might not matter to you. It does to me.
Aside from that, from what little I've seen, I don't think new hardware is really going to make you a better photographer.
--Am thinking of dumping the lot, and moving to d600 completely. Have just realised that in crop mode, 1.5x, the D600 also has 12mp in the 3:2 ratio, same as new GH3 and OMD. Yes the OMD is smaller but the GH2 and GH3 in particular are moving toward the D600 size, and I'm happy in fact with the larger body anyway. So that's it, good-bye DM and all the m43 crew, good and bad, out of here. :-( and in with the new
"A fuddy thing happened on the way to the forum" ...
I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
Bob Meyer wrote:
If you don't care about weight, the D600 looks to be an amazing tool. But don't fool yourself. In spite of your incredibly short-sighted, idiotic and just plain wrong railing against the GH3, a bag full of a D600 and 3 or 4 lenses is going to weigh at least double what a similar m43 kit will weigh.
That might not matter to you. It does to me.
I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
If you don't care about weight, the D600 looks to be an amazing tool. But don't fool yourself. In spite of your incredibly short-sighted, idiotic and just plain wrong railing against the GH3, a bag full of a D600 and 3 or 4 lenses is going to weigh at least double what a similar m43 kit will weigh.
That might not matter to you. It does to me.
--Aside from that, from what little I've seen, I don't think new hardware is really going to make you a better photographer.
--Am thinking of dumping the lot, and moving to d600 completely. Have just realised that in crop mode, 1.5x, the D600 also has 12mp in the 3:2 ratio, same as new GH3 and OMD. Yes the OMD is smaller but the GH2 and GH3 in particular are moving toward the D600 size, and I'm happy in fact with the larger body anyway. So that's it, good-bye DM and all the m43 crew, good and bad, out of here. :-( and in with the new
"A fuddy thing happened on the way to the forum" ...
I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
...you're more interested in seeing yourself in print than anything else. If you spent as much time on photography as on stirring controversy in this forum....
I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
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I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."
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