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GH2 or OMD?

Probably GH2 as the OMD offers a very nice compact package with the 14/20 and pancake zoom; the D600 aint that much bigger than the new GH3, which is incredible.

Looking forward to the D600 and OMD, sorry to see the GH2 go I guess.
 
Adventsam said:
GH2 or OMD?

Probably GH2 as the OMD offers a very nice compact package with the 14/20 and pancake zoom; the D600 aint that much bigger than the new GH3, which is incredible.

Looking forward to the D600 and OMD, sorry to see the GH2 go I guess.
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Sam's romanesque M43 body gladiatorial combat. Whose entrails will be spilled today, my precious ?

"A fuddy thing happened on the way to the forum" ... :P
Adventsam said:
Am thinking of dumping the lot, and moving to d600 completely. Have just realised that in crop mode, 1.5x, the D600 also has 12mp in the 3:2 ratio, same as new GH3 and OMD. Yes the OMD is smaller but the GH2 and GH3 in particular are moving toward the D600 size, and I'm happy in fact with the larger body anyway. So that's it, good-bye DM and all the m43 crew, good and bad, out of here. :-( and in with the new :-)
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Sell everything and buy a DMC-FZ200. How can you live without that constant F=2.8 lens system?
 
Detail Man said:
Adventsam said:
GH2 or OMD?

Probably GH2 as the OMD offers a very nice compact package with the 14/20 and pancake zoom; the D600 aint that much bigger than the new GH3, which is incredible.

Looking forward to the D600 and OMD, sorry to see the GH2 go I guess.
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Sam's romanesque M43 body gladiatorial combat. Whose entrails will be spilled today, my precious ?
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Am thinking of dumping the lot, and moving to d600 completely. Have just realised that in crop mode, 1.5x, the D600 also has 12mp in the 3:2 ratio, same as new GH3 and OMD. Yes the OMD is smaller but the GH2 and GH3 in particular are moving toward the D600 size, and I'm happy in fact with the larger body anyway. So that's it, good-bye DM and all the m43 crew, good and bad, out of here. :-( and in with the new :-)
Detail Man said:
"A fuddy thing happened on the way to the forum" ... :P
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Here are some size comparisons for you. With some lenses...

I think Gh3 with a lens is much smaller..
http://camerasize.com/compact/#381.336,378.327,ha,t

I believe you have the 100-300 mm lens....Another comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#381.35,378.243,ha,t

Here similar lenses OMD and D600

http://camerasize.com/compact/#378.317,289.336,ha,t

Frontal size comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#378.327,289.336,ha,f

If you look at the weight,
D600 with a
85 1.8,
70-300 VR
24-85 (unstablised BTW, f3,5 to f4,5)

Weighs 2,3 Kg

Oly OM-D with:
45 1.8
45-175 Panny
12-35 Panny

Weighs 1100 gram.....Take the Gh3 and it becomes 1200 gram.

To me, these are significant differences. if you are using a 100-300 mm (200-600 mm equiv.) lens, the weight differences just jumps up with 1,5 Kg.

Whether something is light, light enough etc is subjective. To me with just some lenses that are not at all the biggest in their range shows that m43s as a system (as we can expect) is a lot lighter and smaller than a FF cam.

Have fun on the Nikon forum and with your cam!
 
Adventsam said:
Am thinking of dumping the lot, and moving to d600 completely
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This from the man who previously declared DSLRs as being dead and the GH1 as being the best thing since sliced bread (before dumping it for the Samsung NX followed by the Sony NEX followed by the...well, you get the picture.)
Adventsam said:
So that's it, good-bye DM and all the m43 crew, good and bad, out of here
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I anticipate that many users on the Nikon forum will soon be making use of the Ignore button...
 
Even though it's tempting to ditch them all. You never know, you might miss your M43 gear?

Unfortunately then you have a conundrum. The OMD is liable to depreciate more than the already depreciated GH2. On the other hand, the OMD is probably more different (smaller form factor) than the D600.

Up to you!
 
Jorginho said:
If you look at the weight,
D600 with a
85 1.8,
70-300 VR
24-85 (unstablised BTW, f3,5 to f4,5)

Weighs 2,3 Kg

Oly OM-D with:
45 1.8
45-175 Panny
12-35 Panny

Weighs 1100 gram.....Take the Gh3 and it becomes 1200 gram.
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This captures the main problem perfectly. If one is happy with an M4/3 setup like this, there is no way to achieve equal size/weight in 135 format. They simply don't offer a 90/3.5 lens the size and weight of the 45/1.8 (probably cannot, even if they tried), a 24-70/5.6 the size and weight of the 12-35 (probably cannot) and a 90-350/8-11 the size and weight of the 45-175 (certainly cannot).

One day some company might put out a 135 format interchangeable lens camera the size and weight of the ME Super and that day I will consider getting into that format. OK I will not be so extreme. I will pounce when it got to Nikon FA size shape and weight.
 
tt321 said:
Jorginho said:
If you look at the weight,
D600 with a
85 1.8,
70-300 VR
24-85 (unstablised BTW, f3,5 to f4,5)

Weighs 2,3 Kg

Oly OM-D with:
45 1.8
45-175 Panny
12-35 Panny

Weighs 1100 gram.....Take the Gh3 and it becomes 1200 gram.
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This captures the main problem perfectly. If one is happy with an M4/3 setup like this, there is no way to achieve equal size/weight in 135 format. They simply don't offer a 90/3.5 lens the size and weight of the 45/1.8 (probably cannot, even if they tried), a 24-70/5.6 the size and weight of the 12-35 (probably cannot) and a 90-350/8-11 the size and weight of the 45-175 (certainly cannot).
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Well, the d600 body is 800g aprox and the 50mm f1.4g is 280g, so just over a kg?

Now, the d600 is 50mm native FX at 1.4 (nothing in the m43 to match that in dof) and in DX mode its a 75mm f2.0 (better than 45mm imo for FL) so to get this flexibility on my OMD, I need to take the OMD or GH2 and the 25mm f1.4 and the 45mm f1.8 and even then, dof is in the f3 zone not the 1.4-2.0 zone? If I was to take the three m43 items, gh2/25/45 then its about 800g as well, so I save 200g, little lighter with omd(plus its ibis) little heavier with a gh3.

The spec of the 50mm f1.4 for £250 is incredible, 9 blades, 0.4 close focus etc etc.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lenses/Camera-Lens-Database/Nikon/AF-S-Nikkor-50mm-f-1.4G/ (camera) 680 (cameraname) Nikon-D7000

All in all the fx/dx option has changed my perception and the reduced d600 size body really makes it less intrusive with the lighter nikor primes and other options.
tt321 said:
One day some company might put out a 135 format interchangeable lens camera the size and weight of the ME Super and that day I will consider getting into that format. OK I will not be so extreme. I will pounce when it got to Nikon FA size shape and weight.
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Well, FF was always big and bulky, the d600 has changed all that and added everything I could ever need in a system, incl. wi-fi and android interface, FF video and DX video and good resolution FF, 24MP for landscape and DX 12MP for sport and reach, wildlife.

An example, the d800 with the 24-120vr4, in FF is much longer than the new 12-35? if I mount the GH3 with the 12-35, I still would be thinking, well 70mm is a bit short, so would take something else, OK another lens in the pocket but if it was the new 35-100 to match the 12-35, all up weight is best part of 1kg, but the 2x lens are 650g, the exact same as the 24-120 which is a 1 lens solution for 24-120 fx, f4 (so f2 required on m43!) and then in dx its 35-180, (f6 dof) so exactly same dof as the new 35-100 but wider and a tad shorter, but I've got 24-180 covered in a vr lens with dof equivalent to f2 on m43 between 24 and 120, and as good or better than the 35-180 on dx.

The cost,
d600, pounds GBP
Body, 1.6k, the lens 0.8k, 2.4k
m43,
Body, your choice, the lens, 1x12-35+1x35-100, aprox £2.0k plus body.

If you add in the flexibility of 1 x lens solution, plus the fact it can replace and better with FF every prime lens in m43 between 24-120 and probably give the others a run, it seems m43 has out-priced itself and it certainky cant live with the performance envelope of FF.
rickyclicks said:
rickyclicks said:
Am thinking of dumping the lot, and moving to d600 completely
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This from the man who previously declared DSLRs as being dead and the GH1 as being the best thing since sliced bread (before dumping it for the Samsung NX followed by the Sony NEX followed by the...well, you get the picture.)
rickyclicks said:
So that's it, good-bye DM and all the m43 crew, good and bad, out of here
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I anticipate that many users on the Nikon forum will soon be making use of the Ignore button...
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don_van_vliet said:
Even though it's tempting to ditch them all. You never know, you might miss your M43 gear?

Unfortunately then you have a conundrum. The OMD is liable to depreciate more than the already depreciated GH2. On the other hand, the OMD is probably more different (smaller form factor) than the D600.

Up to you!
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I know, I am a bit doubtful, but my daughter has the GH1 now and I will give her the 14/20mm primes and maybe buy her the pancake and compact zoom. If I can I will get her the new pen? so I can borrow a really compact ibis body.
 
Adventsam said:
tt321 said:
Jorginho said:
If you look at the weight,
D600 with a
85 1.8,
70-300 VR
24-85 (unstablised BTW, f3,5 to f4,5)

Weighs 2,3 Kg

Oly OM-D with:
45 1.8
45-175 Panny
12-35 Panny

Weighs 1100 gram.....Take the Gh3 and it becomes 1200 gram.
Click to expand...
This captures the main problem perfectly. If one is happy with an M4/3 setup like this, there is no way to achieve equal size/weight in 135 format. They simply don't offer a 90/3.5 lens the size and weight of the 45/1.8 (probably cannot, even if they tried), a 24-70/5.6 the size and weight of the 12-35 (probably cannot) and a 90-350/8-11 the size and weight of the 45-175 (certainly cannot).
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Well, the d600 body is 800g aprox and the 50mm f1.4g is 280g, so just over a kg?
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Just over a kg for the minimal weight in your hand. Do you occasionally shoot single-handedly? You may be healthy and strong but if a strain-related problem should happen on your shooting hand wrist - a surprisingly common condition for office workers who use computers and mice a lot, it could mean no shooting for a few days. Currently my heaviest holding in the hand shooting weight is 600g or so. I have a true laptop with optical drive weighing less than 1080g.
Adventsam said:
Now, the d600 is 50mm native FX at 1.4 (nothing in the m43 to match that in dof) and in DX mode its a 75mm f2.0 (better than 45mm imo for FL) so to get this flexibility on my OMD, I need to take the OMD or GH2 and the 25mm f1.4 and the 45mm f1.8 and even then, dof is in the f3 zone not the 1.4-2.0 zone? If I was to take the three m43 items, gh2/25/45 then its about 800g as well, so I save 200g, little lighter with omd(plus its ibis) little heavier with a gh3.

The spec of the 50mm f1.4 for £250 is incredible, 9 blades, 0.4 close focus etc etc.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lenses/Camera-Lens-Database/Nikon/AF-S-Nikkor-50mm-f-1.4G/ (camera) 680 (cameraname) Nikon-D7000

All in all the fx/dx option has changed my perception and the reduced d600 size body really makes it less intrusive with the lighter nikor primes and other options.
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Here you are describing an entire game change, from a compact zoom-dominated approach to a substantial size single prime set-up. This indicates that you are not happy with your current system. In this case yes a switch is appropriate.

Indeed the non-lux primes on 135 represent remarkably good value, even if their camera bodies do not. It's just the opposite with M4/3, if you are willing to buy last year's camera bodies (which I guess you are not) you can get remarkable savings, not possible with DSLRs. The D3100 is essentially the same price now as one year ago, whilst the E-PM1 is less than half price. Which DSLR body retails for £150 new?
 
I had a D300 with a 24-70 AFS ... ( NO VR) the D600 is a tiny bit smaller.

I had the Sigma 120-300 2.8, and a very expensive Gitzo Carbon tripod to hold it up.

I also have the 80-200 .....

The Nikon took a back pack, and I always had to make a lens choice to to size.

The OM-D kit fits in a messenger bag with ALL my lenses.

For me, it is a FACT that the DOF CONTROL on FF is much better on FF than M-4/3. Now the actual point in case becomes what does that FACT have to do with the way that I shoot in MOST of my situations. The real practical answer is meh, not much, but the time I get a portrait in focus, I'm not shooting wide open any way.

I tend not to photograph black cats in coal mines, and from all I have seen, the PRACTICAL differences in low light primes/high ISO combinations are minimal.

What cannot be changed is that on both systems a 25mm lens has the distortion character of a 25mm lens, and this is very important to take into account when composing and keeping working distance in mind.

If you need frame rates, AND cropping, the OMD seems to do a better job a long range shooting. Just love my 100-300 for the boys surfing. Clearly, I could drop a really big bag of cash in Nikons hands and get a 600 F4 VR lens, but seriously?? For the kids surfing.

When I look at my output needs and shooting needs without devolving into the esoterica of gear reviews, to me, the D600 and OM-D are equivalent systems. Clearly they may not be for the OP.

On a cash baisis:

OM-D 1K ... D600 2K
12-35 1.5K 24-70 2.2
45 1.8 400 85 1.8 400
25 550 50 439

At the end of the photographic day, not much in it for lenses in the same class ...

Of course, the Nikon lets me spend WAY WAY more on lenses if I want to.

On the other hand, there is no way to mount a Leica M on a D600.

Hope that helps the OP's thought process.

Dave
 
Sam,

the DX crop mode is about 10.5MP , I would take a good look at the new G range of F1.8 primes which offer a very good weight/price to quality ratio{ 28, 50 and 85mm F1.8} . I am also looking at teh new 24-85Gvr2 as a lightweighT walkabout for my D800

While you will never be able to get as light a set up for FF as you can for mft it need not be back breaking.. and with the three F1.8 lenses I mentioned you have a very good basis for a kit.

Personally I would suggest keeping a mFT kit on the go as I have mentioned before mFT and FF are almost perfect partners with each working to their own strengths.
Jim
 
Good advice Jim, its time for me to have a serious kit and portable-flexible kit(m43) as well. I think the d600 is a great result for people like myself, frustrated at the way the GH3 has gone.
jim stirling said:
Sam,

the DX crop mode is about 10.5MP , I would take a good look at the new G range of F1.8 primes which offer a very good weight/price to quality ratio{ 28, 50 and 85mm F1.8} . I am also looking at teh new 24-85Gvr2 as a lightweighT walkabout for my D800

While you will never be able to get as light a set up for FF as you can for mft it need not be back breaking.. and with the three F1.8 lenses I mentioned you have a very good basis for a kit.

Personally I would suggest keeping a mFT kit on the go as I have mentioned before mFT and FF are almost perfect partners with each working to their own strengths.
Jim
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Timur Born said:
Of course, I completely understand what you mean. But when you ain't gonna use the fast lenses then why dump the smaller system for FF just to get the same results? :P

Here is a nice comparison at 50 mm focal length:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#289.352,378.353,290.353,ha,t
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or
http://camerasize.com/compact/#289.352,378.353,290.353,381.352,ha,t

Thing is, the d800 in the FF guise is a real 1.4 or 1.8 (dof 0.7/.9) the blades are 9 and rounded, so even if you stop down its nice as well. The d600 also has built-in flash!
 
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