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agreed on 5d3-like AF system - there is a definite improvement in speed
and accuracy; although I'd mind very much the lack of on board flash :( !!

but WHY to loose the reach advantage of APS-C?? this is a perfect
compromise between sensels' pitch, DR, noise, etc. (although Sony's
24 Mpx sensor is ever better incarnation of APS-C form factor),

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Rob61 said:
Would like to see APS-H size sensor in a 5d MKIII body, call it a 7d MK II . .
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There already is a FF EOS "prosumer" body. It's called the EOS 5D!

One of the primary reasons the 5D costs more than the 7D is because of the larger sensor.

I, like many others prefer APS-C bodies for their extended reach in Wildlife photography. Some in addition couple a 5D with a 7D for Landscapes & other areas where FF is preferred.

Why some people think everything should be tailored to their preferences, with total disregard for others is beyond me?

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Rob61 said:
Would like to see APS-H size sensor in a 5d MKIII body, call it a 7d MK II . . . .
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None of this makes any sense at all. It would mean that the body would be incompatible with the 18-135 kit lens in addition to the common 10-22, 17-55, and 15-85 (and all other EF-S) lenses. You use a different model label altogether for that.

I could conceivably see 7Ds for full frame, but that would be a bit too "cute", and Canon has only done that with the 1-series cameras. EOS-1 has a special meaning, though: it means a top of the line, no corners cut professional body. The model 7 doesn't have any such meaning.

APS-H is a problematic format, anyway. It doesn't have the full IQ advantage of full frame, while not having any really wide angle options available for it (you can't use APS-C lenses). The widest Canon non-fisheye FF lens, the rather exotic 14 f/2.8, is equivalent to 18 mm; the more common 16-35 is equivalent to 21-45. I just don't see that format having any future. Maybe Canon will keep churning out 1D models for sports photographers who want a little better IQ and a bit more reach, but I suspect the 1Dx sounds the death knell for the APS-H format.
 
go ahead and order it - the fullframe 7D mk II is called 5D mk III ... the 7D mk II will be APS-C or nothing at all. Since Canon took the time and resources to make the 7Dv2, the 7D mk II probably isn't right around the corner. My hopes are for a 1D x with APS-C sensor - but unfortunately that's not likely. But I wan't a 1D type body and the 1D X AF and metering system (linked) and an APS-C sensor is a must (otherwise I would have bought a 1D X).
 
7D will go away, sorry 7d fanatics but it is going to happen.

70D will replace the 60 and 7D.

6D will be canon's answer to nikon's entry level FF camera. There will be a FF camera around 2000. It will be an "entry level" full frame. Like a Rebel for the FF line. It will not take sales away from the more professional FF and (to a slightly lesser extent) Pro APS-C cameras because of the features that it lacks.

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VisualNectarPhotography said:
7D will go away, sorry 7d fanatics but it is going to happen.
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+1000 ;)
VisualNectarPhotography said:
70D will replace the 60 and 7D.
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Announcement likely in winter/spring 2013.
VisualNectarPhotography said:
6D will be canon's answer to nikon's entry level FF camera. There will be a FF camera around 2000.
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Except that it will be called 7D(S) or 7D(I) or some other 7D(letter).
VisualNectarPhotography said:
It will be an "entry level" full frame. Like a Rebel for the FF line. It will not take sales away from the more professional FF and (to a slightly lesser extent) Pro APS-C cameras because of the features that it lacks.
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The 'entry-level' FF camera won't be a FF Rebel but a FF version of the 70D.
Announcement likely in fall 2013/spring 2014.
Certainly not this year, as many are hoping.
 
Canon could do a true APS-H format sensor, and still maintain compatability with EF-S lenses. True APS-C and APS-H specs have the same height. So Canon could make a 16X9 APS-H sensor with a wider, but, still shorter mirror. That would maintain compatability with EF-S lenses (using an APS-C crop), while still providing an APS-H spec sensor.

Advanced Photo System
H for "High Definition" (30.2 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9; 4×7" print)
C for "Classic" (25.1 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4×6" print)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Photo_System
kimvette said:
ultimitsu said:
garykohs said:
I wouldn't be shocked if the 7DII were APS-H.
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Given most likely customers are existing 7D owners who wishes to update their camera, and 7D's kit was a high end EF-S lens, this is extremely unlikely
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Mine came with the EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM, not a crop lens.

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TTMartin said:
Canon could do a true APS-H format sensor, and still maintain compatability with EF-S lenses. True APS-C and APS-H specs have the same height. So Canon could make a 16X9 APS-H sensor with a wider, but, still shorter mirror. That would maintain compatability with EF-S lenses (using an APS-C crop), while still providing an APS-H spec sensor.

Advanced Photo System
H for "High Definition" (30.2 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9; 4×7" print)
C for "Classic" (25.1 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4×6" print)
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This would actually be a great feature and technically no problem as you say.

And 7680 x 4320 for clean, easy downsampling to 4K video would give us 33/28 MP. OK maybe we won't get that bit :-)
 
garykohs said:
Obviously a brand new 7D with the existing 18mp sensor - shared with two Rebels and the 60D - is not going to be an option.
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Yep, it would be an unmitigated disaster. I'm hoping the development of a new generation sensor is at least part of the reason for the long wait.
 
TTMartin said:
Canon could do a true APS-H format sensor, and still maintain compatability with EF-S lenses. True APS-C and APS-H specs have the same height. So Canon could make a 16X9 APS-H sensor with a wider, but, still shorter mirror. That would maintain compatability with EF-S lenses (using an APS-C crop), while still providing an APS-H spec sensor.

Advanced Photo System
H for "High Definition" (30.2 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9; 4×7" print)
C for "Classic" (25.1 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4×6" print)
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Yes, it would be mechanically compatible with APS-C lenses, but not optically. It's not likely that the image circle of APS-C lenses is large enough to support such a sensor. And what would be the point of this, anyway?
 
Robert Krawitz said:
TTMartin said:
Canon could do a true APS-H format sensor, and still maintain compatability with EF-S lenses. True APS-C and APS-H specs have the same height. So Canon could make a 16X9 APS-H sensor with a wider, but, still shorter mirror. That would maintain compatability with EF-S lenses (using an APS-C crop), while still providing an APS-H spec sensor.

Advanced Photo System
H for "High Definition" (30.2 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9; 4×7" print)
C for "Classic" (25.1 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4×6" print)
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Yes, it would be mechanically compatible with APS-C lenses, but not optically. It's not likely that the image circle of APS-C lenses is large enough to support such a sensor. And what would be the point of this, anyway?
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As meantioned above the 16x9 aspect ratio, matches the aspect ratio of 1080P HD video. Given that most Canon camera are now optimised for both stills and video this would do both. Yes, using a EF-S lens would not give you any more than it would on an APS-C sensor, but, it would maintain compatability with EF-S lenses, while providing greater resolution for video and stills when using EF lenses.
 
The sportshooter market is a huge percentage of those using the 7D. A 7D that offers only 6 fps would be a disaster.

Other than that I tend to agree with you. But I don't your preferred 7DII would be a commercial success.
ultimitsu said:
garykohs said:
Going to an APS-H sensor would facilitate Canon's leadership in that niche without competing directly with the full frame bodies.
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7D did, so why cant 7D2 do the same?
ultimitsu said:
I'm not sure that Canon can keep what makes the 7D class leading for sports/action without going to a larger sensor.
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of course it can, just keep using better Af and better FPS than competition. the only camera that really competes with 7D is D300s and D7000, both have APS-C. their successor will also both be aps-c. there is no need for canon's offering in this class to go beyond APS-C.
ultimitsu said:
Obviously a brand new 7D with the existing 18mp sensor - shared with two Rebels and the 60D - is not going to be an option.
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why not? the same sensor has been used in 3 rebels now, it is already hitting MP limit for a x1.6 aps-c sensor before suffering from diminishing returns. Canon has bigger problems to fix than increase MP, namely catching up in DR and colour depth to competition. Many people prefer to to see another 18mp with updated circuitry and better IQ (like we have seen in 650D), rather than 24mp with same 11.5 stop DR and possibly slow down to 6 FPS.
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