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6 new lenses for Micro 4/3 in Photokina 2012

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Brian D. Schneider said:
ginsbu said:
Brian D. Schneider said:
35mm is considered normal for rangefinder street photography. look up the greats
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You aren't using 'normal' the way it is standardly used by photographers. You look that up.
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Many if not most Leica using street photographers (including me with an M4 years ago)
considered 35mm at THIER standard ie most used lens. You look that up.
Nothing to do with the industry accepted "standard"
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I didn't say 'standard'; I said 'normal'. It's a technical term having nothing to do with which FL is most used. Go learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_lens
 
ginsbu said:
Brian D. Schneider said:
ginsbu said:
ginsbu said:
35mm is considered normal for rangefinder street photography. look up the greats
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You aren't using 'normal' the way it is standardly used by photographers. You look that up.
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Many if not most Leica using street photographers (including me with an M4 years ago)
considered 35mm at THIER standard ie most used lens. You look that up.
Nothing to do with the industry accepted "standard"
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I didn't say 'standard'; I said 'normal'. It's a technical term having nothing to do with which FL is most used. Go learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_lens
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You missed my point. "normal" and "standard" are usually used interchangibly.
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Brian Schneider

 
Brian D. Schneider said:
You missed my point. "normal" and "standard" are usually used interchangibly.
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Well, that's fine. He missed your point. But you missed his point, too.

They're only used interchangeably when "normal" isn't being used in its technical sense.

The whole argument about what a normal lens rose out of both people choosing a different definition of normal and ignoring the other.

Real productive everyone.
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--Mike
 
If the same type of lenses can be used in Micro Four Thirds that the DSLR uses that is a huge deal IMO. Take a Canon or Nikon pro glass and shrink it for MFT's wow.

For zooms and I will use the 35 mm or FF numbers so its half that for MFT's.

I think keeping the 7-14 type range or 9-18 is great.

The 24-105 is a nice main lens for landscape to portrait and the 70-300 for telephoto.

Add a 10-24 mm type zoom lens and a super telephoto like 150 mm - 350 mm

For primes: a fisheye, a rectilinear like a 14 mm, 20, 24, 35, 50, 85, 105, 135, 200 are great speaking for a Full Frame system that can convert to MFT's

If you think Leica type rangefinder in form and a DSLR like MFT's in form of Nikon or Canon with a menu system that makes sense again squeezed to a MFT's body you made a huge change.

If you can make great glass the camera body will follow

Manufactures please build the camera body around the lens, so lens first then body. I think it works best
 
Brian D. Schneider said:
ginsbu said:
Brian D. Schneider said:
ginsbu said:
Brian D. Schneider said:
35mm is considered normal for rangefinder street photography. look up the greats
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You aren't using 'normal' the way it is standardly used by photographers. You look that up.
Click to expand...
Many if not most Leica using street photographers (including me with an M4 years ago)
considered 35mm at THIER standard ie most used lens. You look that up.
Nothing to do with the industry accepted "standard"
Click to expand...
I didn't say 'standard'; I said 'normal'. It's a technical term having nothing to do with which FL is most used. Go learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_lens
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You missed my point. "normal" and "standard" are usually used interchangibly.
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I'm well aware of that. That's why I tried to clarify the use of terminology in my initial reply to Dixa:
ginsbu said:
Dixa said:
Brian D. Schneider said:
  • Olympus normal: I don't see the need; I'd much rather see Panasonic just improve the AF on their 20mm.
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an olympus or panasonic high quality 17 or 18mm lens would be ideal, as 35mm fov is considered 'normal' for general street photography - or was when it was done with leicas getting good shots.
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The rumors are about a cheaper 25mm from Oly. That's what I'm talking about.

35mm-equivalent is generally termed a moderate WA, not a normal. Going by the sensor diagonal rule for normal lenses (43mm in 135 format), 35mm isn't substantially less normal than 50mm, and closer to normal than 55mm or 58mm "long normals", but that's the way the terminology is used.
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don't getcha! i use the 14 and 17 and they handle great on my Pen... with AF or MF. What is the problem you have? I also shoot the 45 and while the quality is definitely better than either the 14 or 17, I can't say I like the larger 45 better to shoot with ergonomically in anyway.
tgutgu said:
Yes, please, no more pancakes, they are ergonomically worse than reasonably sized lenses, like the 1.8/45mm.

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Brian D. Schneider said:
ginsbu said:
Brian D. Schneider said:
35mm is considered normal for rangefinder street photography. look up the greats
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Yes a 35mm prime will be good.
Brian D. Schneider said:
Brian D. Schneider said:
You aren't using 'normal' the way it is standardly used by photographers. You look that up.
Click to expand...
Many if not most Leica using street photographers (including me with an M4 years ago)
considered 35mm at THIER standard ie most used lens. You look that up.
Nothing to do with the industry accepted "standard"
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Brian Schneider

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God is the tangential point between zero and infinity.

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

God always take the simplest way.
 
ginsbu said:
Really hoping Oly will release a m4/3 version of the 12–60mm — that I would buy right away.

I'm a little concerned that rumors suggest the coming announcements will involve duplication rather than filling holes in the lens lineup:
  • Panasonic tele: we have 45mm & 75mm with 60mm (macro) coming — we don't need another in that range very badly; we do need longer.
  • Olympus normal: I don't see the need; I'd much rather see Panasonic just improve the AF on their 20mm.
I'd love to see Oly improve on their 17mm (make it f/2 with better performance), a 9mm or 10mm f/2.8, a 60–250mm f/2.8–4, a 6mm f/4, and long teles (150mm f/2.8, 300mm f/4, w/1.4x & 2x TCs). [in that order]
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The longer tele zoom range at higher speed is something desperately needed indeed and Olympus can show their strengths there! I love the idea of a 60-250 or even better 50-250 2.8-4

Also a remake of their 2/150 with slightly slower 2.8 would be wonderful.

The 12-60 I will buy without any hesitation, as this was my preferred lens for 43!
 
I would love to see a MFT version of the 12-60 and remake the 50-200 into a 60-250. Both no slower ft an f4.0.

Dave
ptomsu said:
ginsbu said:
Really hoping Oly will release a m4/3 version of the 12–60mm — that I would buy right away.

I'm a little concerned that rumors suggest the coming announcements will involve duplication rather than filling holes in the lens lineup:
  • Panasonic tele: we have 45mm & 75mm with 60mm (macro) coming — we don't need another in that range very badly; we do need longer.
  • Olympus normal: I don't see the need; I'd much rather see Panasonic just improve the AF on their 20mm.
I'd love to see Oly improve on their 17mm (make it f/2 with better performance), a 9mm or 10mm f/2.8, a 60–250mm f/2.8–4, a 6mm f/4, and long teles (150mm f/2.8, 300mm f/4, w/1.4x & 2x TCs). [in that order]
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The longer tele zoom range at higher speed is something desperately needed indeed and Olympus can show their strengths there! I love the idea of a 60-250 or even better 50-250 2.8-4

Also a remake of their 2/150 with slightly slower 2.8 would be wonderful.

The 12-60 I will buy without any hesitation, as this was my preferred lens for 43!
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I keep saying I would take a 12-60/4 in a heartbeat or a consumer grade 14-75. The 12-50 does not give me enough reach beyond my kit lens to make it worth the $$ to me. A 12-60/2.8-4 would be nice but it would be bigger and more expensive than a straight f/4
 
mring1 said:
Final reason....cost. Even a slower 12-60, and I think if Oly did make this lens, it would be a SG 3.5 - 4.5 to reduce size, it would be about $800, or $499 if you buy it with a body. I'm skeptical that would provide the ROI, which brings us back to reason #1.
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Right now there is precisely one premium zoom lens in this general range (or two if you count the better-than-its-priceclass 14-45), and zero from Olympus. Even if there is a market there, they haven't addressed it at all. I have never used the original 12-60, but I have seen crops from it on the EM5 (compared to the 12-50 and 12-35 most convincingly) and the quality advantage, if it can be maintained, is worth the premium to anyone who has bothered to investigate the topic. Now that they have a world-class body and sensor to back it, a proper CDAF focusing setup should be a high priority (second perhaps even, to a m43 downsizing of the optic).

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ptomsu said:
Also a remake of their 2/150 with slightly slower 2.8 would be wonderful.
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still too large. a3.5 with excellent iq at full aperture would be better in terms of size and for max iq at mist used aperture ranges ( f5.6 to f8)
ptomsu said:
The 12-60 I will buy without any hesitation, as this was my preferred lens for 43!
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This i think would be true for many users if olympus can maitain same IQ, weathersealed black lens and Hood (yes olympus included in the box hood)

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i doubt that a 14mm FOV is a must for most olympus users - for ANY majority of photographers regrdless of the brand for that matter

the way the line up stand for olympus is obvious they need a18 to 20mm f2.0 of Very high IQ with weathersealing, fast AF and included in the bix if not builtin hood

Despite panasonic and sigma offering, that would probably be olympus best selleing new lens

Anither vacuum in the line uo is to have a HIGH IQ WEATHERSEALED black compact 150mm between 2.8 and3.5

these two would cover olympus lens line up for single regular focal lenses

Harold
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I'm expecting an update to the 7-14mm adding OIS and probably faster AF. I don't know what improvements could be made to IQ though. They could even make it part of the X series and waterproof it?
 
goshigoo said:
I hope panasonic will release 7-28 f/4-5.6 pancake lens~ or a 7mm pancake
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I assume this was meant as a funny?

Anyway, I look forward to any news lenses...at all...I don't care what they are, I just like having options!
 
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