60D better than the 7D??

Which camera is better is also heavily dependent on the user’s shooting requirements and budget. From a pure equipment standpoint, even with the older technology, the 7D generally has more features and functions and greater performance and so I would consider it the “better” camera. (I find the IQ’s between the 2 cameras close enough that it is a non-factor.) However, if someone feels that an articulated screen is a high priority and they have a limited budget then the 60D is going to be the better camera for them. No matter what, anyone who uses Consumer Reports as their primary information source for assessing DSLRs, it probably will not matter what body they end up with.
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Greg was really gracious (to an extent so was I) that he did not comment on your image. Please stop pushing your agenda. Neither you nor your camera is even close to the level of what you're dealing with here.

VisualNectarPhotography said:

ah god I knew I'd take flack for that comment.

Ok 8fps is great for sports i'll give you all that. It makes it easier... to get that moment. Yes I have shot action for a magazine and used a d2hs. The 8fps is nice, but it still sucks having to dig through 4000 photos to find that moment. However that doesnt mean the 60 cant do it.

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No matter what, anyone who uses Consumer Reports as their primary information source for assessing DSLRs, it probably will not matter what body they end up with.
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That's a very good point. Good enough to put a closure to this thread.

I really like my 60d triggering my off camera flash - no need for the st2 or master on the shoe

And I like the flippy

And I like the EyeFi to new iPad wireless

And I hear magic lantern is great

And I liked the price - more than $600 less than 7d when I purchased

While the cameras may have some better basic seals since Canon does not cover any weather damage for the cameras (translation - Canon has no faith in the seals) I don't consider either camera having sealing. I always use some protection if shooting the 7D in wet weather.

That said, personally if you want to believe Consumer reports about anything electronic related go ahead. Your music system I am sure has a great sound. The only thing I find somewhat helpful with CR are their reliability numbers for big appliances.

DarthVader said:

Just want to say that the 60D also has weather sealing ... and I'm sure that both cameras are excellent (I've got the 60D)!!

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sure you can criticize my first ever BIF shot. It won't bother me. Criticism, in a constructive sense, makes us better. On the flip side, criticism in a derogatory sense makes you look like an immature A hole.

Thats why I posted a thread with these shots in it about 2 weeks ago. But since most here aren't actually posting because they enjoy making art as much as they enjoy having the more expensive camera in their hand I didnt get the response I was looking for. (except for some)

I never said the 7d was not as good as the 60, the 7d is better than the 60. So get it out of all of your minds that I said that. I think -as stated before- the 7d is a great camera that serves its purpose. As well as the 60d. You all talk about the 60 like its the unwanted child of canon that everyone wants to shove under the rug and forget about it. And when you can't find anymore logical points to exploit then you attack whoever is defending the camera. Its like you all are from the Beverly hills thinking your better than others. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The OP was examining the CR article. Which if you read you might understand why the 60 scored at the top of the list. The value of the functions packaged in the 60D are what makes it the winner for the average joe.
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VisualNectarPhotography said:

sure you can criticize my first ever BIF shot. It won't bother me. Criticism, in a constructive sense, makes us better. On the flip side, criticism in a derogatory sense makes you look like an immature A hole.

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Please forgive me for being blunt...I'm not sure that I would call Carl's comment derogatory, more like a wake up call. But I could see why you would be offended. I hope this comment doesn't offend you.

VisualNectarPhotography said:

Thats why I posted a thread with these shots in it about 2 weeks ago. But since most here aren't actually posting because they enjoy making art as much as they enjoy having the more expensive camera in their hand I didnt get the response I was looking for. (except for some)

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What response were you looking for? In the thread that you reference you didn't ask for any constructive criticism. You specifically asked for a bird ID. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. Also you said.... "Thanks guys.... kinda funny that these were afterthough photo's yet this is the most popular thread that I've created. " So it sounds like you were happy at the time with the responses that you received.

VisualNectarPhotography said:

I never said the 7d was not as good as the 60, the 7d is better than the 60. So get it out of all of your minds that I said that. I think -as stated before- the 7d is a great camera that serves its purpose. As well as the 60d. You all talk about the 60 like its the unwanted child of canon that everyone wants to shove under the rug and forget about it. And when you can't find anymore logical points to exploit then you attack whoever is defending the camera. Its like you all are from the Beverly hills thinking your better than others. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The OP was examining the CR article. Which if you read you might understand why the 60 scored at the top of the list. The value of the functions packaged in the 60D are what makes it the winner for the average joe.

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you made this comment further up in the thread ...." The 60d is a quick camera. 5.3 fps is enough to capture the moment and not have 1500 photos that you have to throw away because you have 8 photos in one second that are all so close that you cant figure out what to use. This FPS thing is crap."

I disagree with this.... I think it can actually make it easier to get that one special shot that stands out from the rest. At least when it comes to things like birds doing something quickly etc. That fleeting special expression can usually only be captured with high frame rates or extreme luck. I'm sure that's why the 1Dx has a 14 fps.

Anyway I hope you're not upset from my candidness.

VisualNectarPhotography said:

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VisualNectarPhotography said:

sure you can criticize my first ever BIF shot. It won't bother me. Criticism, in a constructive sense, makes us better. On the flip side, criticism in a derogatory sense makes you look like an immature A hole.

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Yeah right. Calling people immature AH is not derogatory? Like springbok said it was just a wakeup call to you that you were arguing with people who are much better photographers that have much better skills than you. You make yourself look pretty silly by arguing with them that they don’t need the extra 7D performance and that they use 7D only because it’s a more expensive camera. I hope you have learned your lessons and spend you time on how to take better photographs and how to utilize a better tool if you want to, instead of wasting your time to defend your camera which is not worth defending in the areas (birding and actions) we're discussing. It’s your choice of course.

The sealing on the 7D is much better than that found on the 60D.

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VisualNectarPhotography said:

sure you can criticize my first ever BIF shot. It won't bother me. Criticism, in a constructive sense, makes us better. On the flip side, criticism in a derogatory sense makes you look like an immature A hole.

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Yeah right. Calling people immature AH is not derogatory? Like springbok said it was just a wakeup call to you that you were arguing with people who are much better photographers that have much better skills than you.

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Sure in birding I bet you do have better skills than me. But you only having a quite limited idea of my photographic career and the skills really have no idea who is better, or even how to quantify being better. But I see where you're coming from, I guess telling someone your better than them will make -you- believe it if you say it enough.

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You make yourself look pretty silly by arguing with them that they don’t need the extra 7D performance and that they use 7D only because it’s a more expensive camera. I hope you have learned your lessons and spend you time on how to take better photographs and how to utilize a better tool if you want to, instead of wasting your time to defend your camera which is not worth defending in the areas (birding and actions) we're discussing. It’s your choice of course.

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I made my op to state my view. Since that comment I have clarified that 8fps is indeed useful and that the 7d is a good camera. Are you not seeing that? There are protogs, prosumers and hobist that own both camera systems. There is also truth to my statement that some people just want to have the more expensive camera in their hands. Just because this might not be true for you doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

For birding and action as I previously stated yes the 7d will help you get that shot more easily. Even back in film days talented people were still getting amazing shots without having 8fps.

We -were- discussing CR's conclusion.

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to further clarify: My original statement of "this fps thing is crap" is false. I do believe in what a higher fps will help accomplish, my intention was to express that you can achieve similar if not the same results with a camera that doesn't have that speed. If you had a rebel t3i and wanted to take pictures of birds then I'm sure you would quickly figure out how to make that happen and still produce amazing shots. As I have seen on these forums. is it easier with 8fs??? yes. Is it possible to take great shots without "gear as good as yours"??? yes

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Curious if anyone has read all the replies and counted how many read the article and how many didn't.

The mag's criteria was pretty clear, and the assessment accurate. And the difference in points was tiny.

BAK

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Curious if anyone has read all the replies and counted how many read the article and how many didn't.

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Did I miss the link somewhere? Was there one posted for us to read?

BAK said:

The mag's criteria was pretty clear, and the assessment accurate. And the difference in points was tiny.

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I know you have the 60D ;-)

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I have a 60 d and love it!!!!

I never expected this much response from a simple question, but for me it has been educational. Thanks guys. Since I am into landscape photography, not sports photography, I am now leaning towards the 60D and putting the money saved into a better lens. The 15-85 looks sweet.

Well coming from the T3i and just ordered the 7d, I know that the 60d is no slouch. You can't go wrong with either. Whether the 60d is better than the 7d is only determined on what the criteria is. If they base heavily on cost/value, then I could see how the 60d ranked high but overall, comparing specs, the 7d is the better camera. Ultimately, you need to determine based on your needs which is the better camera for you.

Good luck

For landscape photography the 60D is probably the better choice and I will add that I have been VERY happy with the 15-85 IS. The 10-22 is another great one for landscapes.

Here’s a shot I took a couple of days ago with the 10-22



Greg

Yes for landscape it won't much matter between the 60d and 7d, though a 5dmk2 or 3 would be a better option, but budget is always a concern.

On crop you can get pretty wide too with the Sigma 8-16mm, so lenses shouldn't be much of a limiting factor.

nice shot Greg. I love UWA's the 10-22 is one of my favorite lenses.
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ultimitsu said:

1, the difference in both LCD and flash power are noticeable. have you done careful comparison between the two and decided your eyes can't see them or you just asserted so?

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I do have both cameras, I have compared them carefully.

Can you really see the difference between 900,000 dots & 1,100,000dots? I doubt that.

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I can. And if I am not mistaken, I think 7D is also a 4:3 LCD whereas 60D is 3:2, which means whether in liveview or quick review, 7D LCD is not fully used, leaving actual image smaller and of less resolution.

But even if I can't...

....2, whether you find them noticeable are irrelevant, CR's statement si not wrong factually - which is the entire point of the discussion.