How about you guys go try some real German Weißbier—Erdinger, Paulaner, Franziskaner… I don’t remember all the brand names…Yep, I like the Pyramid Hefeweizen even better than Widmer's!
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intensity studios
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The D3200 is a very good camera because the sensor is designed well. But your D7000 is good too.
No you don't need to throw away your camera and go buy something else.
Stop comparing cameras and worrying about megapixels and losing sleep of tech specs. Your camera is not nearly as important as your creative vision. You can't buy vision.
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No you don't need to throw away your camera and go buy something else.
Stop comparing cameras and worrying about megapixels and losing sleep of tech specs. Your camera is not nearly as important as your creative vision. You can't buy vision.
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Reminds me of the time I was camping in British Columbia with some Canadian fellows and we were sitting around the camp one hot afternoon drinking some Canadian Kokanee beer when a huge motorhome pulled into the site next to ours. Out stepped a German fellow with a cooler of some German beers and said in a voice that sounded like Arnold Schwarzenegger "Hey, you guys want to stop drinking that tea and drink some real beer?" I have to admit that the Kokanee did taste like tea compared to the German beer. The German was generous with his beer and we sure had a great time enjoying the campfire that evening!How about you guys go try some real German Weißbier—Erdinger, Paulaner, Franziskaner… I don’t remember all the brand names…Yep, I like the Pyramid Hefeweizen even better than Widmer's!
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Erdinger ist ScheißeHow about you guys go try some real German Weißbier—Erdinger, Paulaner, Franziskaner… I don’t remember all the brand names…Yep, I like the Pyramid Hefeweizen even better than Widmer's!
No really, it does not even come close to Paulaner or Franziskaner.
Even Schöfferhofer or the Austrian Edelweiss is better than Erdinger.
..but..
(goes to the fridge to pick the next bottle of beer in this tropical european night)
Erdinger Dunkel rocks
Reilly Diefenbach
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The city of Portland is now the brewing capital of the world. Move over, Munich! http://www.beer-universe.com/beer-education-article/2010-07-12/The-Biggest-Craft-Brewing-Market-in-the-Country/
AWG_Pics
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One of the many reasons I love living in Portland, a city whose unofficial motto is "Keep Portland Weird".
Yeah, actually, it is.
That this argument frequently emerges is neither here nor there, the mega pixel munchers still can't offer a satisfactory response.
Nice straw man.
Nice straw man
No, it isn't.
Then you aren't looking very hard, really, you aren't.
And a new 16mp sensor would likely have much more, which = more real gain for the photographer.
But sure, if you want to use your kit lens and mega crop out crappy photo's (which will appeal to the target audience of the D3200) then go for your life, just don't tell me it's a better sensor, cause it ain't.
Got it, marketing megapixels is awesome and any discussion that says it isn't is close minded.
I can see you like your gadgets and that is fine, but for those of us concerned about technology being utilised in it's best form for enthusiast photography, there is definitely some issues around marketing to gadget freaks.
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It's not an argument.
It's a group of people that always feel THEIR camera is the best, greatest, plateau of performance, and megapixel limit.
They voice it, get made fun of, then when they upgrade they do it all again with their NEW best, greatest, plateau of performance, and megapixel limit.
It's not a technical debate, it's a personal insecurity that starts threads like this one.
Reilly Diefenbach
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Judging from your gallery, you might want to tone down the insults just a bit. You really don't know it all.
Agree. It happens in printer forums too: "We don't need anything other than CMYK colors. If you can't print with that old $99 CMYK printer you have now, it must be your technique as you shouldn't need anything else."
Then out comes lighter Photo Magenta. Lighter Photo Cyan. Orange ink. Green ink. Then Red ink. And multiple shades of Black. And some Glossy optimizer too. Even White ink. (The pigment vs. dye ink is another matter too.). The arguments begin and continue ad nauseum...
At some point - usually after seeing many results first hand from the newest batch of printers - they finally agree and fall into line and they too buy a new printer with a million ink color carts and dismiss the CMYK only printers as "Insufficient." No more $99 printer on their shelf either.
Comes down to choice. Don't like it, then don't buy it. However, don't knock someone who does or wants it, or is capable of buying it sooner. Doing so would keep us locked in the 1800's with Daguerreotypes, and "We don't need no newfangled computers neither. My Apple II monochrome works quite well thank you."
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Lol, did you feel the need to jump over from the sony forum? Fyi the D4 is rated at thousands of shots on one battery charge, so if they were designing the D800 to be the "everything", they would have used the D4 battery. 200 shots? lol, no thats what nex does with its pdaf adapter.
People said this also for 4mp. No need for more than 4mp.. aren't you glad Nikon ignored those suckers?
The point is that 24mp APS-C is higher res than 16mp. That's a good thing.
Yes.
No, so far they have been ignoring those kind of unreasonable requests. Thankfully. Never ever ask for lower image quality.
rhlpetrus
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I still think 10MP as in the D80 was already enough. Less space and faster processing as well.
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Yep, I'm still happy with my D40 at 6MP. Never felt the need for more.
AWG_Pics
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Tom,
Why the ad hominem attacks on tabloid? He responded with a tech/ photography related comment and you came back in full on personal attack mode. Lots of unwarranted bile that did not move the conversation forward. Relax, we are here to talk about all things photo related. Not to judge another person's worth.
Tony
Why the ad hominem attacks on tabloid? He responded with a tech/ photography related comment and you came back in full on personal attack mode. Lots of unwarranted bile that did not move the conversation forward. Relax, we are here to talk about all things photo related. Not to judge another person's worth.
Tony
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You have to understand that when people gain a reputation based on how they act on these forums, whenever you run across them and are involved in a thread with them, it's not always easy to set aside your opinion of them.
I tend to trust people have a reason for responding to people the way they do, and I very well may not understand what that is... but have to give the benefit of the doubt. In this case though, I totally get it.
If you knew Tabloid and his way of dealing with people, you would understand better.
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Reilly Diefenbach
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This debate reminds me a bit of the blog wars we had back in the 80s about audio recording. The mathemeticians swore that the limit of human hearing was at best 20K, therefore no need to raise the bit depth or sample rate. They were correct for some program material, just as the anti megapixel faction are correct that for simple subjects such as a portrait in which just a few large objects fill the frame, 6MP might just cut it.
However, when things get complicated, such as when you attempt to record a symphony orchestra from back in the hall in 16/44 with delicate reverberation tails mixing in with high harmonics heterodyning down into the audible spectrum, an unlistenable glitchy enharmonic stew is the usual result. Nowadays, 24/96/192 is the standard, and things are a lot rosier all the way around except for storage, hah hah. And so it is with distant subject material in digital photography. The professional landscape guys figured this out a long time ago, which is why they all pony up big money for the high resolution digital equipment or still drag around a heavy load of view camera gear. Small details get thrown away at lower pixel counts by the low pixel count, then by the AA filter, then crunched up with sharpening and clarity to the point of indistinct mush. The difference between 6MP and 24 or 36 or more MP for the fine details is indeed very noticeable at just about any size. If all you shoot is people at close to medium range, then by all means, bow out of the MP derby.
However, when things get complicated, such as when you attempt to record a symphony orchestra from back in the hall in 16/44 with delicate reverberation tails mixing in with high harmonics heterodyning down into the audible spectrum, an unlistenable glitchy enharmonic stew is the usual result. Nowadays, 24/96/192 is the standard, and things are a lot rosier all the way around except for storage, hah hah. And so it is with distant subject material in digital photography. The professional landscape guys figured this out a long time ago, which is why they all pony up big money for the high resolution digital equipment or still drag around a heavy load of view camera gear. Small details get thrown away at lower pixel counts by the low pixel count, then by the AA filter, then crunched up with sharpening and clarity to the point of indistinct mush. The difference between 6MP and 24 or 36 or more MP for the fine details is indeed very noticeable at just about any size. If all you shoot is people at close to medium range, then by all means, bow out of the MP derby.
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