5DMK3 inbound - but - My Hour Glass with Canon is Running

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Sold my 5DMK2, have a 5DMK3 coming. I saw enough advantages in the 5DMK3's specs to make the reluctant upgrade. Going to the MK3 was not an as easy as upgrading to the 5DMK2 in 2009.

With that said, I am certainly contemplating that my next camera purchase might not be a Canon. By no means am I dedicated to a brand, but until recently, Canon to me has been an uncontested brand. Had Nikon's D800 camera quality been equal to the MK3's, there is no question, I would have fully divested of Canon.

Life is too short not to have a better camera, with more IQ, resolution and utility. However if such a camera can't focus, if Live View is crap, if mirror vibration is too big a factor, if you have issues with white balance / green cast, if you are fighting to many head scratchers, then getting a highly invested Canon system user like myself to switch, well that's not going to happen, but Nikon, you got my attention.

To me, the Nikon D800 is the best camera on paper, but has demonstrated in actual usage reports to be completely rough around the edges and problematic, and for me, I don't have time to play system engineer for Nikon. All the specs in the world are somewhat useless if a camera's utility is flawed and this is where Canon is way ahead of Nikon. Again, I am NOT bad mouthing Nikon and I am SO HAPPY they are engaging the market and trying to put a superior camera in play, and they might succeed with their next camera beyond the D800.

I have a hunch Canon has gotten the message, and their next offerings will be a step change versus just refreshing. If Canon can keep their ruggedness/quality of design and marry that with an improved higher resolution/IQ sensor, then Nikon is going to have an impossible task of getting Canon system users to switch. However, if Canon allows Nikon to improve further without a comparable offering, then I think Nikon stands a great chance to improve their core market share with people like me.

The next camera offering cycle will tell the story for the next decade to come, but only time will tell. Right now I could easily be a Nikon user, but for now I am staying with Canon, but the hour glass is running.

My Current System - 30D, 7D, 5DMK3, 430EX Flash, Original 580EX Flash, 580II Flash, 2 ea 10-22mm wide zooms for Crop Camera's, 17-40mm L wide zoom, 28-300mm L all in one, 24-105mm L, 70-200mm L IS USM II, 300mm f/2.8 IS USM II, Extender III 1.4, Extend III 2X, Canon ipf-8300 44" photo printer. I have owned a Rebel, 40D, 5D, 5DMK2 and 70-200MM L f/2.8 Non IS).
 
You know nothing about what's coming next from Canon. In 6 months time the entire panorama could reverse.
Eduardo
 
Just curious, why did you sell the 40d but keep the 30d?
40D died. I sent it to Canon and they offered a refurbished 7D, so I took that versus gettting my 40D back. The 7D is a way better camera and with Video, gives me more options. It does good hand held HDR. And for website photos, this is really all anyone needs. My FF is for photography.

Interestingly I may be able to use the 5DMK3's HDR for some of my webwork if I can produce in camera HDR JPEGS of 1920x1280 and 720x480 sizes. I'll know more next week.
 
What a self centred me me me post.... Canon listened to what Mk II owners asked for, as you said urself it's the better all round camera.....get a grip on urself.
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PS.. Canon did not listen to what all MkII owner said. PS THE PRICE. The 5D3 should have been 2700-3000. But, oh well, I make money off of good shots so it was worth it.

Nikon could have put the nail in Canon with a FEW features, like sRAW and mRAW, and a better LCD. What is interesting is how I am hearing the AF on the 5DIII is better then the D800, when the D4 and D800 share the EXACT SAME system.. Makes me wonder if the D1x is going to run circles around both.

It seems the 5D3 is a more usable camera, but by a LITTLE, the sensor is where it is weak.. Can you imagine 5D3 body with a D800 or even a 22MP sony sensor.. OMG..
What a self centred me me me post.... Canon listened to what Mk II owners asked for, as you said urself it's the better all round camera.....get a grip on urself.
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Yeah, it might sound "me me me," but "me me me" is driven by my Canon ipf-8300 photo printer's desire for higher res files. Therefore, if I can find a camera that I am more confident in and which produces a higher resolution file, I will have a hard time not switching to that brand. Canon should not underestimate that market changing possibility. I found Canon and I can find Nikon just as easily and millions of others who make up the FF buying market will do the same thing once the other guy offers a clear advantage to Canon.

If anything the D800 has demonstrated the market's desire for a higher res FF camera, but the D800 has too many tactical flaws- which is a shame.

For now my ipf-8300 will have to be satisfied with 22mp...
What a self centred me me me post.... Canon listened to what Mk II owners asked for, as you said urself it's the better all round camera.....get a grip on urself.
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Actually it doesn't, but I won't bother you with the overwhelming evidence that contradicts your comments.
If anything the D800 has demonstrated the market's desire for a higher res FF camera, but the D800 has too many tactical flaws- which is a shame.
 
I do understand where you're coming from. The resolution issue is not a concern for me but the low ISO shadow noise/DR is from an academic standpoint. Frankly, the lack of improvement in Canon's 5D3 sensor has me a bit on the fence on forking over the cash as I fear buying one and then they intro something revolutionary within the next year with a substantially different (improved) sensor. This is a hobby for me and I'm fortunate money is not the issue but guilt is and I try not to be stupid with what I do with my money.

I agree with your concerns on the D800 as I'm more than a bit surprised with all the reported issues. When Thom Hogan writes that 6 of 12 D800's he's been associated with had QC issues that is a concern.

For me though even if the D800 was perfect I'd still not switch and here's why. I don't like Nikon's ergo's or menus. The bodies are just too fussy for me with a knob, switch, button for just about everything. I prefer Canon's strategy much better.

I also know that both companies suffer from QC on their lenses and I've gone through too much pain assembling the 9 Canon lenses I have. No interest in trying to do that with Nikon and sufffering though all the testing, returns, etc. There was a post a while back on the Nikon lens forum where a guy clearly demonstrated severe decentering with a new out of the box 70-200f2.8VR and Nikon service would not cover the repair under warranty. Canon will but I'm not williing to go there. I've had instances where I've gone through 3 and even 4 samples of a zoom to get one that was properly or reasonably centered. Some will see that as strange but it's a pet peeve with me. When I shoot I expect uniform IQ between the sides, top and bottom of the frame and it can be a challenge trying to get that especially with ultra wide/wide to tele zooms and almost any lens with IS or VR.

I'm not going anywhere but if Canon wants to keep selling cameras to me they will need to be certain their bodies are competitive. If not I'll just keep shooting with my 7D although chances are I will buy a 5D3 before the Summer is over. If I do and Canon intro's a new groundbreaking FF within the next year I will feel more than a bit used but I'll still probably buy one :).

Bob
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Sorry for the repost / edit but I don't feel my comment was clear.

Yes, the D800 has demonstrated the market's desire for a higher res / DR camera.

No, the D800 does not have too many tactical flaws. No shame required. Your statements imply strongly the D800 is an ergonomically crippled camera with a great sensor, thus "a shame". It's an absurd, false statement. Worse, it misleads and misinforms readers. That's a shame if not offensive.

As usual, insecure Canon shooters have a need to take a valid kernal of truth, for example the AF issues with the D800 and exaggerate it to the point of being utterly invalid.

You're right though. The D800 is not a perfect camera. I've yet to find one, even the illustrious 5d3. ;)

I must have a masochistic streak. Evidence? I keep participating in these phenomenally dysfunctional forums. I didn't expect nuanced discussions about photography, it's a gearhead destination. Fine. Reality is, dpreview is more like the Hatfields and McCoys. And I'm sure there will be arguments about whether Canon = Hatfields vs McCoys. Feel free to substitute Harry Potter Houses in place of Hatfields / McCoys, Slytherin vs Gryffindor if you prefer. Yes, these forums are this silly.

I'm out.
Actually it doesn't, but I won't bother you with the overwhelming evidence that contradicts your comments.
If anything the D800 has demonstrated the market's desire for a higher res FF camera, but the D800 has too many tactical flaws- which is a shame.
 
What good a 36mp ff sensor is good for if you cannot fous. D800 users needs a dose of reality too. It not a medium format camera
Yes, the D800 has demonstrated the market's desire for a higher res / DR camera.

No, the D800 does not have too many tactical flaws. No shame required. Your statements imply strongly the D800 is an ergonomically crippled camera with a great sensor, thus "a shame". It's an absurd, false statement. Worse, it misleads and misinforms readers. That's a shame if not offensive.

As usual, insecure Canon shooters have a need to take a valid kernal of truth, for example the AF issues with the D800 and exaggerate it to the point of being utterly invalid.

You're right though. The D800 is not a perfect camera. I've yet to find one, even the illustrious 5d3. ;)

I must have a masochistic streak. Evidence? I keep participating in these phenomenally dysfunctional forums. I didn't expect nuanced discussions about photography, it's a gearhead destination. Fine. Reality is, dpreview is more like the Hatfields and McCoys. And I'm sure there will be arguments about whether Canon = Hatfields vs McCoys. Feel free to substitute Harry Potter Houses in place of Hatfields / McCoys, Slytherin vs Gryffindor if you prefer. Yes, these forums are this silly.

I'm out.
Actually it doesn't, but I won't bother you with the overwhelming evidence that contradicts your comments.
If anything the D800 has demonstrated the market's desire for a higher res FF camera, but the D800 has too many tactical flaws- which is a shame.
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... and enjoy using it and taking nice pictures.
Life is too short to spend time complaining because this and that.

Cheers!
Sold my 5DMK2, have a 5DMK3 coming. I saw enough advantages in the 5DMK3's specs to make the reluctant upgrade. Going to the MK3 was not an as easy as upgrading to the 5DMK2 in 2009.

With that said, I am certainly contemplating that my next camera purchase might not be a Canon. By no means am I dedicated to a brand, but until recently, Canon to me has been an uncontested brand. Had Nikon's D800 camera quality been equal to the MK3's, there is no question, I would have fully divested of Canon.

Life is too short not to have a better camera, with more IQ, resolution and utility. However if such a camera can't focus, if Live View is crap, if mirror vibration is too big a factor, if you have issues with white balance / green cast, if you are fighting to many head scratchers, then getting a highly invested Canon system user like myself to switch, well that's not going to happen, but Nikon, you got my attention.

To me, the Nikon D800 is the best camera on paper, but has demonstrated in actual usage reports to be completely rough around the edges and problematic, and for me, I don't have time to play system engineer for Nikon. All the specs in the world are somewhat useless if a camera's utility is flawed and this is where Canon is way ahead of Nikon. Again, I am NOT bad mouthing Nikon and I am SO HAPPY they are engaging the market and trying to put a superior camera in play, and they might succeed with their next camera beyond the D800.

I have a hunch Canon has gotten the message, and their next offerings will be a step change versus just refreshing. If Canon can keep their ruggedness/quality of design and marry that with an improved higher resolution/IQ sensor, then Nikon is going to have an impossible task of getting Canon system users to switch. However, if Canon allows Nikon to improve further without a comparable offering, then I think Nikon stands a great chance to improve their core market share with people like me.

The next camera offering cycle will tell the story for the next decade to come, but only time will tell. Right now I could easily be a Nikon user, but for now I am staying with Canon, but the hour glass is running.

My Current System - 30D, 7D, 5DMK3, 430EX Flash, Original 580EX Flash, 580II Flash, 2 ea 10-22mm wide zooms for Crop Camera's, 17-40mm L wide zoom, 28-300mm L all in one, 24-105mm L, 70-200mm L IS USM II, 300mm f/2.8 IS USM II, Extender III 1.4, Extend III 2X, Canon ipf-8300 44" photo printer. I have owned a Rebel, 40D, 5D, 5DMK2 and 70-200MM L f/2.8 Non IS).
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... and enjoy using it and taking nice pictures.
Life is too short to spend time complaining because this and that.

Cheers!
NOW I'LL DRINK TO THAT BUDDY! MOST LIKELY GET BETTER PHOTOS AS A RESULT CAUSE MY MK3 DOESN'T DRINK. I hear the D800 can't stop drinking. Causes problems with the focus :)
Sold my 5DMK2, have a 5DMK3 coming. I saw enough advantages in the 5DMK3's specs to make the reluctant upgrade. Going to the MK3 was not an as easy as upgrading to the 5DMK2 in 2009.

With that said, I am certainly contemplating that my next camera purchase might not be a Canon. By no means am I dedicated to a brand, but until recently, Canon to me has been an uncontested brand. Had Nikon's D800 camera quality been equal to the MK3's, there is no question, I would have fully divested of Canon.

Life is too short not to have a better camera, with more IQ, resolution and utility. However if such a camera can't focus, if Live View is crap, if mirror vibration is too big a factor, if you have issues with white balance / green cast, if you are fighting to many head scratchers, then getting a highly invested Canon system user like myself to switch, well that's not going to happen, but Nikon, you got my attention.

To me, the Nikon D800 is the best camera on paper, but has demonstrated in actual usage reports to be completely rough around the edges and problematic, and for me, I don't have time to play system engineer for Nikon. All the specs in the world are somewhat useless if a camera's utility is flawed and this is where Canon is way ahead of Nikon. Again, I am NOT bad mouthing Nikon and I am SO HAPPY they are engaging the market and trying to put a superior camera in play, and they might succeed with their next camera beyond the D800.

I have a hunch Canon has gotten the message, and their next offerings will be a step change versus just refreshing. If Canon can keep their ruggedness/quality of design and marry that with an improved higher resolution/IQ sensor, then Nikon is going to have an impossible task of getting Canon system users to switch. However, if Canon allows Nikon to improve further without a comparable offering, then I think Nikon stands a great chance to improve their core market share with people like me.

The next camera offering cycle will tell the story for the next decade to come, but only time will tell. Right now I could easily be a Nikon user, but for now I am staying with Canon, but the hour glass is running.

My Current System - 30D, 7D, 5DMK3, 430EX Flash, Original 580EX Flash, 580II Flash, 2 ea 10-22mm wide zooms for Crop Camera's, 17-40mm L wide zoom, 28-300mm L all in one, 24-105mm L, 70-200mm L IS USM II, 300mm f/2.8 IS USM II, Extender III 1.4, Extend III 2X, Canon ipf-8300 44" photo printer. I have owned a Rebel, 40D, 5D, 5DMK2 and 70-200MM L f/2.8 Non IS).
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Right with you on every point.

Really, really hoping Canon knocks it one of the park sometime soon.

No interest in going to Nikon but if there is nothing from Canon and the D800 works through its teething problems................................
 

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