I thought the omd was supposed to be smallish?

Adventsam · Apr 10, 2012

Fraenzken said:
... there are some GH2- and E-M5-samples at fourthirds-user.com; according to them the E-M5 RAWs show at least the same amount of detail but with less noise:
http://fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10822&page=5

From all the pictures I've seen so far I'd not call the GH2 the superior camera (don't know about video yet) but on the contrary think the E-M5 has the edge (by a small margin). Why do you think that the GH2 is clearly the superior hybrid?

See the samples here, all the images have so far shown GH2 has superior iq AFAIK? The GH2 as a hybrid from my perspective will perform the best at video, which it does, and at stills which it does. The ibis would be handy for primes without OIS, but is not a deal breaker as the size is larger than I thought. I may as well buy a GX1 as a portable back-up body but still dont have the ibis I guess, same iq as the OMD and smaller too, does video and has a built-in flash.
http://www.fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10822&page=2

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stimmer · Apr 10, 2012

Your posts here ring of somebody who is conflicted because he likes something he's not supposed to have.

The EM5 does a lot of things better/different than the GH2, and could be considered even marketed towards different folks.

You couldn't make it any smaller and have people take it seriously. It's as small as can be considered ergonomic to use.

Although the image quality is great, pixel peeping is not going to give you the answers you need. Useability, weatherproofing, IBIS, Olympus colors, etc are the reason anybody should consider the EM5.

Not pixel peeping at 1000%.

bluelemmy · Apr 10, 2012

stimmer said:
You couldn't make it any smaller and have people take it seriously. It's as small as can be considered ergonomic to use.

Absolutely! I have smallish hands and find my GH2 on the lower limits of size. Especially with the camera to my eye, I find the Display and AE Lock buttons difficult to manage. But all the controls are a bit dinky, really. When using the rear LCD I do it all on the touch screen - much easier.

On the other hand, I can't think of any way to improve it - it's just a function of the size. And given the weight saving over my DSLR, it is an annoyance I must accept as part of the compromise.

The OMD seems to be in the same ballpark for size so unless they have come up with some new ergonomics entirely, the same would apply.

Why can't someone design a tiny camera with big controls?

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Everdog · Apr 10, 2012

He has been creating similar posts for months now...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=40558502

I am not sure how many times he is going to post the same thing, but if this is like the the LR4/GH2 thing, it will be a lot!

Tim in upstate NY · Apr 10, 2012

Everdog said:
He has been creating similar posts for months now...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=40558502

I am not sure how many times he is going to post the same thing, but if this is like the the LR4/GH2 thing, it will be a lot!

. . . Duh! I was talking about your absence during the past week.

ithinkthatsme · Apr 10, 2012

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Mark Chan · Apr 10, 2012

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1041&message=41139529

It's thinner than the ep3 and not as wide; compared with ep3 and vf2 combo, it is not as high by a few mm.

It is small. Period. If you want smaller you really have to consider the Pentax Q.

Now that is small(est), and af speed when I checked today wasn't that bad.

Everdog · Apr 10, 2012

Yep, you never add anything worthwhile to the conversation!

We can count on Adventsam post hate towards the EM5, and Tim posting hate towards pretty much everyone. LOL!

Anyway, As I have shown, there is already another thread created by the same person, saying the samething.

Aleo Veuliah · Apr 10, 2012

Small differences

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Kevdog · Apr 10, 2012

Adventsam said:
Why would it be eccentric? The GH2 is clearly the superior hybrid, and I havent seen a single image that is superior to the GH2. The ibis is interesting and the allegedly faster af and buffer. The 12/20/25/45 and new 70mm would all benefit from the ibis and are a compact option to the GH2 is where I was coming from.

A compact option to the GH2 is the GX1!

The OMD is a slightly smaller GH2.

SHood · Apr 10, 2012

Once you add any lens then the thickness also becomes negligible. This is why I prefer a larger grip.

papillon_65 said:
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH2 is 2% (3 mm) wider and both of the same height.
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH2 is 81% (33.9 mm) thicker than Olympus OM-D E-M5.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH2 [444 g] weights 11% (44 grams) more than Olympus OM-D E-M5 [400 g] ( inc. batteries and memory card).

If that's not "smaller" I'm not sure how you define "smaller".
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Fraenzken · Apr 10, 2012

... hmm, not in my eyes. At least the RAW files of the E-M5 seem a bit better to me - less salt-and-pepper noise, same amount or slightly more detail (developped in RawTherapee).

The dynamic range of the E-M5 seems to be a bit better too according to this test here:

http://fourthirds-user.com/2012/03/full_resolution_omd_em5_samples_compared_to_pen_ep3_lumix_gh2_and_sony_alpha_55.php

You could be right with the video though. All in all I think it will come down to taste which camera to prefer. I'm quite interested in dpreview's take on the E-M5 and the DXOmark results.

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Adventsam · Apr 10, 2012

Funny guy?

Fraenzken said:
... hmm, not in my eyes. At least the RAW files of the E-M5 seem a bit better to me - less salt-and-pepper noise, same amount or slightly more detail (developped in RawTherapee).

The dynamic range of the E-M5 seems to be a bit better too according to this test here:

http://fourthirds-user.com/2012/03/full_resolution_omd_em5_samples_compared_to_pen_ep3_lumix_gh2_and_sony_alpha_55.php

You could be right with the video though. All in all I think it will come down to taste which camera to prefer. I'm quite interested in dpreview's take on the E-M5 and the DXOmark results.

Cheers
Frank
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bgalb · Apr 10, 2012

I have the GH2 and like it a lot. Wish the body and buttons were just slightly larger. I frequently accidentally press the WB button. I had an E-pl2 for a few weeks and liked it a lot also. I used it with all my smaller lenses and reserved the GH2 for use with the 14-140 and 100-300 lenses and my (large) FL50 flash. Sold the E-pl2 to clear the deck for the E-M5, which is on order. I expect to also use it with the 9-18, 25, and 14-42 kit lens.

My expectations are that the GH2 will still handle better with the long lenses for wildlife, birding, etc. Also the GH2 has a much smaller selectable focus square, which is important to me for birding.

On the other hand, the OM MAY have (a little) better IS, jpg color, high iso noise, and be somewhat smaller without the hand grip.

These are my expectations, but who knows how it will work out in the end?

Vlad S · Apr 10, 2012

Adventsam said:
I havent seen a single image that is superior to the GH2.

I think that the EM5 sparrow shot at the bottom of this page http://www.fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10822&page=3 is clearly better than the GH2.

Vlad

bskeet · Apr 10, 2012

Mr. EyeballheadMan, this camera is too big for you. Don't buy it.

Anders W · Apr 10, 2012

Adventsam said:
Looks same size as GH2 plus no flash and no stereo mics!

Sure. The E-M5 is huge.

Especially the stereo mics which are so big that you didn't even notice them.

bluelemmy · Apr 10, 2012

Anders W said:
I think that the EM5 sparrow shot at the bottom of this page http://www.fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10822&page=3 is clearly better than the GH2.

jpg is just a matter of in camera processing, someone else's idea of what post processing should be. Judging by jps is like judging a film camera's performance by a print.

You have to see RAW to make any worthwhile comparison.

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Adventsam · Apr 10, 2012

Check your glasses, am not seeing anything there, maybe on the beak but elsewhere its a toss-up, depends on the focus at the time? My point that there is nothing better than GH2 is fully justified and the form factor aint winning me over, I've dumped the OMD idea already, I'm focused on glass, OMD is a big let down for 2 years down the road from GH2 ;-)

Vlad S said:
Adventsam said:

I havent seen a single image that is superior to the GH2.

Click to expand...

I think that the EM5 sparrow shot at the bottom of this page http://www.fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10822&page=3 is clearly better than the GH2.

Vlad

jkrumm · Apr 10, 2012

I have one sitting in front of me, and if I could wave a wand and make it a little larger I would, keeping the same weight. Too easy to bump a button accidentally as it is.

I'm kind of hoping Olympus comes out with an OMD plus size, for us pudgy handed folks.

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