David Hull
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Excellent advice. You might want to consider that bit of wisdom yourself.
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Nikon pixel envy is the new name for this forum.
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Anastigmat
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Yes. The D4 is 16mp and it is better than the D800. Only ignorant people judge cameras by using megapixel count. They automatically think that more pixels makes a camera better. It does not. Taking diffraction into account, you will need a diffraction limited lens at f/5.6 to be able to resolve enough for the D800 sensor. If you use f/8 or smaller apertures, there is no difference in resolution between the D800 and 5DIII, because diffraction limits resolution to below 22mp at these apertures anyway. If you use most lenses at apertures larger than f/4, a vast majority of the lenses on the market cannot resolve enough for the D800 sensor because of lens aberrations.
OTOH, no matter what lens you use, noise is going to be greater for the D800, dynamic range is less and tonal range is less. That means you will see more noise, fewer colors, bigger files and less "pop" with the D800. Even though 36mp may give some people ecstasy, there is no real world advantage to have that many pixels unless you have a super sharp lens and use it all the time at f/5.6. But that means your photography, while technically excellent, will have boring content.
Yup, there are people who think that 4/3 sensor is the best thing since sliced bread.
jayrandomer
Senior Member
Be happy you've got a great new tool, but no need to become what you detest. Pride in the d800 should be reserved for those who made it.
tocar
Senior Member
No but the same thing happened when the 60D was launched. Then droves of rave reviews came and put the negative comments to rest. People get so negatively hyped up about a product that hasn't even been released yet and then in the end had to clean the eggs on their faces!
Dan DeLion
Leading Member
Ah, payback is sweet.
What comes around goes around.
Don't get mad get even.
What you're seeing in this forum is the result of years of Canon fanboy's empty boasting.
Dan DeLion
Leading Member
Spoken like a true partisan. Canon has lost its' edge.
Actually, I'm not a Nikon fanboy. I've bought two Canon cameras in the last six weeks. Both are for non-pro, light weight travel. But, both are superior products. Yes, my wife and I are owners' of a purple ELPH 310HS and to match my wife's eyes, a green ELPH 310HS. Both, fine cameras.
jayrandomer
Senior Member
Have you been waiting for years to taunt some nameless, faceless people who gave you a hard time because their camera was better than your camera? Now you're here taunting a different set of people because your camera is better than theirs? What kind of person are you?
David Hull
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Any "edge" that Nikon may posess, and that is questionable in a practical sense, comes from Sony, not Nikon.
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David Hull
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LOL -- so your solution will be years of Nikon fanboy empty boasting.
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joger
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I am a 5D II user since the early days - the 5D II made me switch from the Nikon system to the Canon one simply because of it's superiority in perceived printed image quality.
I am enjoying my 5D II very much - especial with the unrivaled TS-E 17 lens.
BUT I have to say that I would buy the D800E in a heartbeat if my TS-E 17 would fit on a Nikon body.
I can not understand the 'ignorants' that praise the (paper values wise) relatively mediocre 5D III.
I am no fan boy of either brand - I am a fan of excellent good FineArt prints and the D800E looks like THE CAMERA for that - I hope Canon can make an attractive counter proposal within the next months ;-)
I am also curious how the 1Dx and the 5D III will perform in the DXO review - I have no doubts that they are quite right - comparing the 5D II with the D700 shows clearly that the 5D II had a huge advantage over the D700 - now it looks like the D800 wins hands down
Please be fair and not foolish - Canon has been the brand to buy because of the very affordable yet good 5D II - now Nikon has the top notch camera - that's life :-/
I would buy the D800 in a heartbeat if I could afford two systems but the investment is too big compare to the probably minor time frame where Nikon leads the quality race.
isn’t it funny, a ship that leaks from the top
ISO 9000 definition of quality: 'Degree to which a set of inherent characteristic fulfills requirements'
I am the classic “Windows by Day, Mac by Night user'
“The horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius which they call their point of view.” Albert Einstein
I am enjoying my 5D II very much - especial with the unrivaled TS-E 17 lens.
BUT I have to say that I would buy the D800E in a heartbeat if my TS-E 17 would fit on a Nikon body.
I can not understand the 'ignorants' that praise the (paper values wise) relatively mediocre 5D III.
I am no fan boy of either brand - I am a fan of excellent good FineArt prints and the D800E looks like THE CAMERA for that - I hope Canon can make an attractive counter proposal within the next months ;-)
I am also curious how the 1Dx and the 5D III will perform in the DXO review - I have no doubts that they are quite right - comparing the 5D II with the D700 shows clearly that the 5D II had a huge advantage over the D700 - now it looks like the D800 wins hands down
Please be fair and not foolish - Canon has been the brand to buy because of the very affordable yet good 5D II - now Nikon has the top notch camera - that's life :-/
I would buy the D800 in a heartbeat if I could afford two systems but the investment is too big compare to the probably minor time frame where Nikon leads the quality race.
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isn’t it funny, a ship that leaks from the top
ISO 9000 definition of quality: 'Degree to which a set of inherent characteristic fulfills requirements'
I am the classic “Windows by Day, Mac by Night user'
“The horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius which they call their point of view.” Albert Einstein
Pretty funny with you Canonian. Didn't sound like that when Canon anounced 5DII few year back. Come one dude, be a man. I see you're drooling while write this comment hahahaha
Shaun Bell
Senior Member
For those that think 36mp is too much, prepare to eat crow. With all the buzz the D800 has created, it going to happen for Canon shooters as well. All those mp's that 99% of shooters will never utilize, yet the camera is a huge success for Nikon. To the nikon shooters, if you don't own at least a 44" printer do you even need it? MP sell. It's a fact like sex sells, no getting around it. Canon will come out with a high MP camera, there's no doubt. And when that happens, we'll see the same posts in the Nikon forum. Canon and Nikon are laughing their butts off at us lol!
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joger
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MPixel do count if they are good enough
I use my TS-E lenses and stitch four frames to get more of them out of my 5D II and my printed results at 20x20 inches show a clear win in quality with some 33 MPixel vs 14 MPixel on a 1:1 crop - gave my brother prints and he instantly recognize the better resolution. Many photographers own printed that can do 18 inch wide prints. When I print bigger the difference gets more pronounced.
Being a Canon user I have to say that the 5D III looks very disappointing in every way. IMHO it is no mistake for Canon walking their way but I do not follow like a dumb cow. I hope Canon will put out Plan B sooner or later or they already started with Plan B in mind - and we will see a competitive offer on the price level of the D800E next year. Then and only then their portfolio is complete.
As soon as Canon has a competitive high res camera the world is fine for me - the ISO whiners can have their toy and the 'real photographers' use either a D800E or a high res Canon ;-)
Until then I keep complaining about the lack in the portfolio - not about the 5D II 2.0 (aka MK III) which is for it's purpose surely a nice offer.
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isn’t it funny, a ship that leaks from the top
ISO 9000 definition of quality: 'Degree to which a set of inherent characteristic fulfills requirements'
I am the classic “Windows by Day, Mac by Night user'
“The horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius which they call their point of view.” Albert Einstein
Dan DeLion
Leading Member
Only ignoramuses judge fine cameras by their pixel count. The D800 is no $150, 16 MP, camera with a sensor the size of a fly-speck. Stop mindlessly repeating misinformation. Canon fanboys are going to have to adjust to a world in which their cameras are second rate, in some respects.
I might agree that in SOME respect that Nikon has the advantage. But so WHAT?
Both 5D III AND D800 is FAR BEYOND what most need to get good photographs.
I really do not understand all that talk about Nikon is best. I don't care, because the Canon equipment is much better than it has to be for me being satisfied.
Dan DeLion
Leading Member
Actually, Nikon's edge (glad to see you admit it) comes from superior design, superior firmware, higher standards and superior users. But rest easily, Canon still makes superior pocket cameras as well as great copiers, glass bottles, and dog food.
superior users... ? what has the users to do with the quality of the gear?
Dan DeLion
Leading Member
David - Nope, just want to hear from all you Canon trolls that Canon is just one good brand out of several good brands. That there is nothing special about Canon. Can you say that?
Canon is not just another brand. And Nikon is neither just another. Those two alone has the best arsenal of available optics for the cameras. Which makes those two better than most other systems.
A good system is not just a good camera, but also good optics for many types of photography.
Le Kilt
Senior Member
Yes, I only use Canon cameras because I'm blind and so it doesn't make much difference to me.
Sounds very pretty.
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