K-01 Preview up here at dpreview

It read "plastic chassis" about 5hrs ago.
They dont like the ergonomics of the camera I fear !!!
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"BTW, I'm not knocking the K-7/K-5 at all, as I think they got it right with that design. But not the Q or the K-01."

Got what right? The K-01 fails to meet the expectations of legions of gadget-nerds - that doesn't make it wrong.
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"BTW, I'm not knocking the K-7/K-5 at all, as I think they got it right with that design. But not the Q or the K-01."

Got what right? The K-01 fails to meet the expectations of legions of gadget-nerds - that doesn't make it wrong.
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The forums here are full of gear heads. Almost every comment on the K 01 has to do with a lack of EVF or flippy screen. When I am out and about, I have yet to see a NEX with an EVF. They do make it but I do not see them being used.
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I was thinking more along the lines of: "That is what we get for expecting real journalism on DPR (or product research)."
What you first thought was amongst the lines of "no wonder it's cheap." Instead of doing your own research at the Pentax website and using your own brain you decided to pass quick judgement on what could have been a simple human mistake.
It read "plastic chassis" about 5hrs ago.
Well, leave it to Pentax to be able to make such a drastic design change that quickly! ;-)
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Now that Ricoh has taken charge, I'm confident we'll start to see more photographer-oriented designs. Until then, I'll stick with my Pentax "full frame" film bodies.

BTW, I'm not knocking the K-7/K-5 at all, as I think they got it right with that design. But not the Q or the K-01.
The Q is quite photographer centric actually. As for Hoya/Ricoh- Ricoh would have never allowed this camera to go forward if they thought what you are thinking.

That said, I am a bit bummed by the early dpreview comments on the ergonomics. I think that's one thing they need to nail and if the ergonomics were sacrificed for looks, well…
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not the lack of view finder but what you quoted.

The buttons in the back look perfect. But if the buttons on the top are key and are like that, then I think that's a fail. They should have made Marc figure out something design wise that looked great while paying attention to ergonomics.
"With the buttons arranged over such a large camera area, we found key controls difficult to manipulate without large shifts in your hand position. While you can reach both the red and exposure compensation buttons with your hand in the shooting position, neither of them are particularly comfortable, as they are set so far to the rear of the camera plate."

yep...sooo not Pentax :-P
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Just to add my 2 cents. I have had the K-01 for about a week now, and while I like the design, this camera was not intended for the dSLR user. So, if you are trying to compare this, and I feel, this is what most reviewers will do, including dpreview, it is not going to win many fans.

Where I think it hits the sweet spot is for those users who want excellent or equivalent image quality to a dSLR with good video, but, without all the bulk and hassles, in a nice compact unit. It's advanced enough if you need it, and simple enough that it becomes easy to give to other people to take pictures.

I already know that I am not going to be pairing this up with big, heavy lenses - and, in fact, it's making me start looking for either the DA15mm or DA21mm to pair up with it! The camera works for me, and I'm just going to enjoy shooting with it.
 
Now that Ricoh has taken charge, I'm confident we'll start to see more photographer-oriented designs.
It has Ricoh focus peaking BTW
That doesn't mean the K-01 is Ricoh's baby. Ricoh has only had Pentax since October. That's enough time to add a software feature like focus peaking, but not nearly enough time to create and ship a new product like the K-01.

My guess is Hoya wanted to release the K-01 just before the transfer to Ricoh, at the same time the Q was released, and somehow Ricoh prevailed on them to let them add focus peaking.

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Well,for one I think that it was fair and well written.
I find the writing a bit dodgy, two examples ;
Its bulky cuboid design is an inevitable consequence of having a full-depth K-mount.
No it isn't. Think about it.
The K-01's button arrangement reflects a purposeful use of negative space in a layout that appears designed for form, if not necessarily function.
Just art-student-speak. "negative space" = pointless drivel.
 
Unfortunately, British English is becoming the dodgy form (or has for many years now) of English. I confirm this because I also translate and correct medical papers for journal submissions and even some British ones are requiring American syntax.

In this case, I see such things as commas being left out. DPR has been submitting articles with poor proofreading for a few years now. Everything from poor spellings to grammar mistakes are in plain view and I see this evidenced throughout the UK, perhaps because there's a reliance on the false impression of Estuary English as what people use, which brings complacency with it.
Well,for one I think that it was fair and well written.
I find the writing a bit dodgy, two examples ;
Its bulky cuboid design is an inevitable consequence of having a full-depth K-mount.
No it isn't. Think about it.
The K-01's button arrangement reflects a purposeful use of negative space in a layout that appears designed for form, if not necessarily function.
Just art-student-speak. "negative space" = pointless drivel.
 
They dont like the ergonomics of the camera I fear !!!
No kidding. And having held one at my local store for about three minutes yesterday (I could not bear to hold it longer), I can only but wholeheartedly agree with this statement:
Still, the K-01 with the DA40XS is smaller in every dimension and also lighter than the Fuji X-Pro 1 with the 35mm. The latter of course has a faster lens, but nevertheless I think the bulk of the K-01 is not its main problem, especially when more XS lenses arrive. Its main problem is that it lacks a really usable viewfinder. The X Pro 1 with its hybrid viewfinder is in a different price league and made for a completely different user group, so I'm not saying dropping an EVF is wrong for the K-01's target user group. I'm rather thinking that they should have made a tilting LCD screen to make the ergonomics good for that user group.
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Now that Ricoh has taken charge, I'm confident we'll start to see more photographer-oriented designs.
It has Ricoh focus peaking BTW
That doesn't mean the K-01 is Ricoh's baby. Ricoh has only had Pentax since October. That's enough time to add a software feature like focus peaking, but not nearly enough time to create and ship a new product like the K-01.

My guess is Hoya wanted to release the K-01 just before the transfer to Ricoh, at the same time the Q was released, and somehow Ricoh prevailed on them to let them add focus peaking.
Lots and lots of speculation here. If Ricoh thought it was a bad idea, they wouldn't have released the camera.
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Speculative post;

I read of peoples impression of the egronimics of the K-01 and they report all kinds of opinions of how the camera design is flawed.

As a long time user of quite a variaty of tools: Woodworking, Paintbrushs, musical instruments, sound studio gear, office paper cutters, cooking. gardening tools and machines and so on. I have experienced that most tools have a physical egronomic "learning curve"

The K-01 being such a departure from the norm of DSLR cameras when used by people with a long practice of using the DSLR form factor can not help but feel that everything is out of place. It's called Bias..

A short experience as people have had with the camera can't be taken too seriously. Once you get over the oddness/newness factor it may fall well enough in the hand.

Some users may even use it on the tripod much of the time, this might reveal something about button placements appropriatness. As you can find your way around the camera without gripping the body at all. In fact I'd recommend this when learning the camera anyways..

Good luck to pentax with the K-01, opens up some innovation, lighten up grumparians!

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If Ricoh thought it was a bad idea, they wouldn't have released the camera.
See "sunk cost". By the time Ricoh was involved, most of the development money would have been spent.

It's one thing to decide whether it's a good or bad decision to develop the K-01 before any developement money is spent. That's what Hoya did.

It's another thing to decide whether it's a good or bad idea to go ahead and release the K-01 after the development money (or most of it anyway) has already been spent and cannot be unspent. That's what Ricoh did.

Greg

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Not even an articulated screen that makes shooting other than from eye level easier. Or to help viewing under bright sunlight.
Articulating screen would have made that fat body even more fatter.

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2 things:

1. It's already fat, so saving a few mm will not transform it into a beauty queen.

2. See Oly EM-5. NEX-7. Articulated screens adds a mm or so at the most, and they are compact as.

It's always excuses excuses.
 
They dont like the ergonomics of the camera I fear !!!
No kidding. And having held one at my local store for about three minutes yesterday (I could not bear to hold it longer), I can only but wholeheartedly agree with this statement:
Still, the K-01 with the DA40XS is smaller in every dimension and also lighter than the Fuji X-Pro 1 with the 35mm. The latter of course has a faster lens, but nevertheless I think the bulk of the K-01 is not its main problem,... [snip]
I found it too 'boxy'. That is despite the fact that I am very comfortable with the K-5 which is a bit bigger in every way. But without the K-5's deep grip, the tips of my fingers seemed to be exerting more force than I am used to. Anyway, I didn't enjoy holding it, whereas I find the K-5 fits me like a glove.

Sorry for the grip gripe...

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