G1X OVF is crappy - or not?

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Many reviewers think that the OVF on the G1X is useless and should have been removed altogether to save cost and size. I respectfully disagree. The OVF on the G1X does just what a view finder is supposed to do: It allows you follow and frame the image. Whenever I want to shoot fast, I turn the LCD off and just let the camera do the work while I concentrate on following the subject. It's click, click, click and 90% hits in terms of exposure and focus. Could the OVF be better or replaced by a EVF? Maybe, but the price (and size) of the G1X would increase.
I won't buy a camera without a VF, even if it is less-than-wonderful. I find that shooting with the camera pressed against my forehead while looking through the VF, adds a measure of stability vs. holding the camera out in front of me to compose. Since we only see 75-78% of the image to be captured, there is enough room to crop the image, compensating for errors or inaccuracy in composition.

Basically, I'm sure the VF controversy is very much a personal preference, perhaps biased toward those of us who are used to shooting with dSLR's..... or if we are old enough, years of shooting with SLR's in addition ! :-)

Cheers !

carolyn
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The ovf is sh*t, plain and simple. Far, far less than 100% of scene, tunnel-like, and useless except when looking through it is the only chance to get the shot.
Many reviewers think that the OVF on the G1X is useless and should have been removed altogether to save cost and size. I respectfully disagree. The OVF on the G1X does just what a view finder is supposed to do: It allows you follow and frame the image. Whenever I want to shoot fast, I turn the LCD off and just let the camera do the work while I concentrate on following the subject. It's click, click, click and 90% hits in terms of exposure and focus. Could the OVF be better or replaced by a EVF? Maybe, but the price (and size) of the G1X would increase.
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Tony
 
but where I disagree is that I don't think it's useless. I will take a crappy OVF over no eye level view finder any time. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that you can hold the camera still much easier when you have it pressed to your face. In very bright light, or when you are using a longer exposure and need to hold the camera still, that little glass tunnel view finder can be very useful indeed.
The ovf is sh*t, plain and simple. Far, far less than 100% of scene, tunnel-like, and useless except when looking through it is the only chance to get the shot.
Many reviewers think that the OVF on the G1X is useless and should have been removed altogether to save cost and size. I respectfully disagree. The OVF on the G1X does just what a view finder is supposed to do: It allows you follow and frame the image. Whenever I want to shoot fast, I turn the LCD off and just let the camera do the work while I concentrate on following the subject. It's click, click, click and 90% hits in terms of exposure and focus. Could the OVF be better or replaced by a EVF? Maybe, but the price (and size) of the G1X would increase.
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Tony
 
The main reason I wasn't interested in the G1X is the lack of a good viewfinder. My G11 viewfinder is worse than some inexpensive 35mm P&S cameras. It's basically an LCD based camera...OK for many, but not suitable for me. I don't buy the argument that a good EVF (not necessarily state of the art) would raise the price. You can buy 2- superzoom cameras for one G1X or look at the Panasonic G3 (micro 4/3), which had sold for as low as $549 with kit lens and good EVF.

Greg
 
Daniel - I mentioned adding stability to the camera against the forehead while looking through the VF, in my message just above. That is the main reason I use it.

carolyn
but where I disagree is that I don't think it's useless. I will take a crappy OVF over no eye level view finder any time. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that you can hold the camera still much easier when you have it pressed to your face. In very bright light, or when you are using a longer exposure and need to hold the camera still, that little glass tunnel view finder can be very useful indeed.
The ovf is sh*t, plain and simple. Far, far less than 100% of scene, tunnel-like, and useless except when looking through it is the only chance to get the shot.
Many reviewers think that the OVF on the G1X is useless and should have been removed altogether to save cost and size. I respectfully disagree. The OVF on the G1X does just what a view finder is supposed to do: It allows you follow and frame the image. Whenever I want to shoot fast, I turn the LCD off and just let the camera do the work while I concentrate on following the subject. It's click, click, click and 90% hits in terms of exposure and focus. Could the OVF be better or replaced by a EVF? Maybe, but the price (and size) of the G1X would increase.
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Tony
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Ranger a.k.a chammett
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'elegance is simplicity'
 
Yes, you did. Sorry I missed it.
Daniel - I mentioned adding stability to the camera against the forehead while looking through the VF, in my message just above. That is the main reason I use it.

carolyn
but where I disagree is that I don't think it's useless. I will take a crappy OVF over no eye level view finder any time. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that you can hold the camera still much easier when you have it pressed to your face. In very bright light, or when you are using a longer exposure and need to hold the camera still, that little glass tunnel view finder can be very useful indeed.
The ovf is sh*t, plain and simple. Far, far less than 100% of scene, tunnel-like, and useless except when looking through it is the only chance to get the shot.
Many reviewers think that the OVF on the G1X is useless and should have been removed altogether to save cost and size. I respectfully disagree. The OVF on the G1X does just what a view finder is supposed to do: It allows you follow and frame the image. Whenever I want to shoot fast, I turn the LCD off and just let the camera do the work while I concentrate on following the subject. It's click, click, click and 90% hits in terms of exposure and focus. Could the OVF be better or replaced by a EVF? Maybe, but the price (and size) of the G1X would increase.
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Tony
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Ranger a.k.a chammett
http://www.pbase.com/chammett

'elegance is simplicity'
 
I won't buy a camera without a VF, even if it is less-than-wonderful. I find that shooting with the camera pressed against my forehead while looking through the VF, adds a measure of stability vs. holding the camera out in front of me to compose. Since we only see 75-78% of the image to be captured, there is enough room to crop the image, compensating for errors or inaccuracy in composition.

Basically, I'm sure the VF controversy is very much a personal preference, perhaps biased toward those of us who are used to shooting with dSLR's..... or if we are old enough, years of shooting with SLR's in addition ! :-)
Wow, I'm happy to hear that there are others out there like me who see the value in an OVF. I find when people say a (poor) OVF is useless, what they mean is it is useless to them. I think my S90 is a great little camera, but to this day, every time I compose a shot holding the camera almost a foot from my face, I feel like I am fighting all my good photography instincts. It feels wrong. Especially when I'm zoomed in and the light is low, I know that image stabilization is the only thing saving my shot from being horribly blurry. I know I could have taken the same shot with an OVF and no image stabilization, and it would have been almost as sharp.

Anyways, the S90 was the first camera that I've bought that didn't have an OVF. I would have preferred that it did have one, even if it were larger and more expensive. Hence, the GX1 and its OVF seem like a great compromise to me.
 
I wasn't trying to correct you ! :-) Just wanted to point out that there actually is someone here (maybe several people ?) who thinks the same way about taking advantage of every little edge possible for stability. IS and a steady hand help, but the "forehead press" with the OVF is just an added perk !

Cheers - carolyn
Daniel - I mentioned adding stability to the camera against the forehead while looking through the VF, in my message just above. That is the main reason I use it.

carolyn
but where I disagree is that I don't think it's useless. I will take a crappy OVF over no eye level view finder any time. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that you can hold the camera still much easier when you have it pressed to your face. In very bright light, or when you are using a longer exposure and need to hold the camera still, that little glass tunnel view finder can be very useful indeed.
The ovf is sh*t, plain and simple. Far, far less than 100% of scene, tunnel-like, and useless except when looking through it is the only chance to get the shot.
Many reviewers think that the OVF on the G1X is useless and should have been removed altogether to save cost and size. I respectfully disagree. The OVF on the G1X does just what a view finder is supposed to do: It allows you follow and frame the image. Whenever I want to shoot fast, I turn the LCD off and just let the camera do the work while I concentrate on following the subject. It's click, click, click and 90% hits in terms of exposure and focus. Could the OVF be better or replaced by a EVF? Maybe, but the price (and size) of the G1X would increase.
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Tony
--
Ranger a.k.a chammett
http://www.pbase.com/chammett

'elegance is simplicity'
--
Ranger a.k.a chammett
http://www.pbase.com/chammett

'elegance is simplicity'
 
I believed Canon will sell much less G series camera if they do not have the ovf on them. Specially for those who are so used to SLR or DSLR camera. I'm one of them.
 
Hear hear, I agree completely
The main reason I wasn't interested in the G1X is the lack of a good viewfinder. My G11 viewfinder is worse than some inexpensive 35mm P&S cameras. It's basically an LCD based camera...OK for many, but not suitable for me. I don't buy the argument that a good EVF (not necessarily state of the art) would raise the price. You can buy 2- superzoom cameras for one G1X or look at the Panasonic G3 (micro 4/3), which had sold for as low as $549 with kit lens and good EVF.

Greg
 
I just ordered a G1X, and a big part of the reason was because it does have at least a rudimentary OVF that is essential in some situations. Many Oly and Pana m43 don't have any eye level VF-- nor do most P&S. I'm a Pentax DSLR user (K5), and their new K-01 only has a fixed LCD for viewing-- total bummer to me.

Sure, I'll mainly use the LCD, and the articulating function will be very useful, but that crappy OVF is there when needed.

Oh, and need I mention the sensor/lens/high ISO quality;> ) It's all about compromises.

Cheers. Ernie
 
Have to agree with Ernie. There are always some compromises to be made, but I would opt for the G1X' imperfect viewfinder over none at all.
 
Many Oly and Pana m43 don't have any eye level VF
Most u4/3 cameras (and even the LX5 P&S) can take an optional EVF that plugs in to the hot-shoe. These work very well - not as good as a DSLR, but not far off and with the benefit of full shooting information. Another advantage is that the add-on EVFs can also tilt, allowing a greater range of shooting angles.

The G1X feels very much like an engineering rush-job, with everything aside from the sensor and lens carried pretty much unchanged from the elderly G11 and G12 models (most noticeably the focusing). I'll bet that the next model will use an EVF in some form.

Imaging pairing the G1X sensor with a more conservative but faster zoom and decent AF. Put the whole thing in a real range-finder style body with an EVF (ie a smaller fixed lens Nex7, with all the physical controls of the G-series).
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It would be nice to have that option for the G1X - but it would set you back between €200 and €300. Now, if I have a perfectly fine LCD and and OVF, would I buy that?
 
What you've focused on!

How can you hope to do good work without the ability to see what the camera has focused on?

For such a lot of money the viewfinder is an utter disgrace
Have to agree with Ernie. There are always some compromises to be made, but I would opt for the G1X' imperfect viewfinder over none at all.
 
If you do the right settings, the camera focuses on whatever is in the middle of the image that you see through the OVF. And it beeps when AF is ready. You can put focus at an object off center, keep the shutter release button half pressed and recompose.
 
Is that really accurate enough for you?

It's similar to my G10 and that is certainly not good enough for me. It's not even as though you can accurately see where the middle of the shot is with the off-center, partial-coverage viewfinder.

It's useless to someone who cares about composition and focusing.
If you do the right settings, the camera focuses on whatever is in the middle of the image that you see through the OVF. And it beeps when AF is ready. You can put focus at an object off center, keep the shutter release button half pressed and recompose.
 
It is 90% of the time. The AF metering takes place where the bluish light of the AF-Assist light can be seen. It is pretty much in the center. Is it perfect? No. Is it useful? Yes.
 

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