S. Martin Friedman
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Does anyone know if the 1Ds is capable of taking IR images?
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1Ds and Infra red
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redman95901
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One way is to convert to IR using Fred Miranda's DI Action. It works well and gives you the choice to experiment with IR and keep your color file intact.
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I would bet not--esp. since the D60 is, for all intents and purposes, not usable for IR. I did a lot of IR with my G1 and E10, but the D60 is just not the camera for it.
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Chris ™
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Hi!
So it might be possible, that the 1Ds is IR capable too, but who knows, since nobody seems to have tested it so far.
Merry Xmas
Chris
Very interesting question!
Possible, yes, but I wouldn't count on it, because the new G3 CAN take very nice IR images. A german photographer named Hagen Thaele found his new G3 much more IR sensitive than his old G1 ! He was even able to use a B+W 093, which cuts at 1000nm.
So it might be possible, that the 1Ds is IR capable too, but who knows, since nobody seems to have tested it so far.
Merry Xmas
Chris
Danny Burk
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I've been wondering about this myself, and your post has prompted me to try it out.
It appears to work!!!
Quick and dirty test: I attached a B+W 87C IR filter to my 85/1.2L on 1Ds. Camera would not AF, so I removed the filter and prefocused. Cranked it up to ISO 400, tripod mounted the camera, mounted the filter and shot at the meter reading. It's dark outside now, so this is just a shot indoors lit by ordinary incandescent room lamp (60w). The filter is a "Black IR", meaning that you can't see or focus when it's mounted.
There was no image visible when shot at the meter reading (1"), but the meter was obviously seeing something since it gave very different readings when the lamp was in vs out of the frame. I gave it an extra stop (2")...there was a very faint image, just barely visible. Finally I gave it 10"...success! There is a reddish image easily visible, yet still somewhat dim; I'm sure 20" would be much brighter. It is out of focus, since I didn't correct focus for IR and of course the 85/1.2 has extremely shallow DOF.
I'll try something outdoors and report back. So far so good!
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Danny Burk
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It appears to work!!!
Quick and dirty test: I attached a B+W 87C IR filter to my 85/1.2L on 1Ds. Camera would not AF, so I removed the filter and prefocused. Cranked it up to ISO 400, tripod mounted the camera, mounted the filter and shot at the meter reading. It's dark outside now, so this is just a shot indoors lit by ordinary incandescent room lamp (60w). The filter is a "Black IR", meaning that you can't see or focus when it's mounted.
There was no image visible when shot at the meter reading (1"), but the meter was obviously seeing something since it gave very different readings when the lamp was in vs out of the frame. I gave it an extra stop (2")...there was a very faint image, just barely visible. Finally I gave it 10"...success! There is a reddish image easily visible, yet still somewhat dim; I'm sure 20" would be much brighter. It is out of focus, since I didn't correct focus for IR and of course the 85/1.2 has extremely shallow DOF.
I'll try something outdoors and report back. So far so good!
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Danny Burk
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Well, I'll be. I never would have thought they would go backwards on that as opposed to forward. Maybe some day down the line with another body I'll be able to do IR again with my Canons.
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S. Martin Friedman
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I'll give it a try also and report back. My 1Ds is due to arrive today!
Marty
garberf
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I did a lot of IR with my G1 and E10,
Thanks,
Frank
How do you do IR with the G1? I didn't know it was capable...
Thanks,
Frank
Peter Lindsey50614
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It would appear that it is, from others' posts.
I have a 1Ds, now all I need is some filters!
Oh, and some skill.
Frank, its a great little camera for IR. I use a Hoya R72 filter on it, convert to b/w in processing--that's it. I use a tripod, manual settings. You can check out my IR here with it (and a few with the Oly E10)
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/infrared_gallery If you need any other info about it, let me know--I'll be glad to share my experiences with it. In fact, I've kept the G1 just because I can do IR with it.
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Chris ™
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Hi Diane!
O.k., I already am able to do IR work with the D30, but some day I'll go the full frame way And I don't want to loose the IR capability!
Greetings from Germany
Chris
That's exactly, what I was hoping for too. Thank god, that IR became more popular
O.k., I already am able to do IR work with the D30, but some day I'll go the full frame way
And I don't want to loose the IR capability!Greetings from Germany
Chris
Chris ™
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Hi Danny!
Check my IR gallery for examples ... have a look at the Exif info under each thumbnail ... most were taken with a G1, but a few with the D30 are availlable too:
http://home.surfcenter.de/chris/foto
So I would recommend to take further test with a lighter filter like the Hoya R72 or the B+W 092 (89B).
It will be very interesting, how it will work.
Greetings from Germany
and happy testing
Chris
Good news!
No wonder that your test was a hard one ... the filter is much too dark ... it cuts at 1000nm! Even my sweet little G1 can only use this filter in brightest sunlight and I wouldn't want to test this filter on the D30, which on the other hand works nice with a Hoya R72 IR filter and a 60W bulb at ISO100.
Check my IR gallery for examples ... have a look at the Exif info under each thumbnail ... most were taken with a G1, but a few with the D30 are availlable too:
http://home.surfcenter.de/chris/foto
So I would recommend to take further test with a lighter filter like the Hoya R72 or the B+W 092 (89B).
It will be very interesting, how it will work.
Greetings from Germany
and happy testing
Chris
garberf
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Hi Diane,
Thanks for the info. I have the G2 and it doesn't allow for screwing on filters? Does the G1?
I'd like to take some IR pictures of the outside of my house during this winter. Will the G2/filter allow this?
Thanks,
Frank
Thanks for the info. I have the G2 and it doesn't allow for screwing on filters? Does the G1?
I'd like to take some IR pictures of the outside of my house during this winter. Will the G2/filter allow this?
Thanks,
Frank
Ken Phillips
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it's better than the D60 (not saying much!), much worse than the D30. The problem is that the long exposures required warm up the CCD to the point where noise completely ruins the shot ... as it's just not that sensitive to IR, and the 1D is infamous for long exposure noise.
KP
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A couple of Canon DSLRs, a nice off-white lens and some red-stripe lenses and one with a gold stripe, some misc. accessories including various photon ejectors and paper holders. A ton of film equipment from 35mm to 4 x 5. A minivan and a Fender Stratocaster. A three bedroom ranch on an acre. Also, absolutely no Canon 1200mm f/5.6.
Dana Jacobsen
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It sounds like you're talking about the 1D, not the 1Ds. The 1Ds has a CMOS sensor and is the best of all these cameras in noise. You'll need a shot over 15 minutes long at ISO 100 before I think you would find the noise too objectionable. Completely ruining the shot is over half an hour I would guess.
Regarding IR, I called a local camera store who said they had IR filters (Promaster brand of course) and come on in -- it'll be interesting. Well, I got to the store the next day with D60, 1Ds, and tripod, that sales person was gone, and the other one insisted that they only stocked red filters. No infrared like an 89B 720nm, just red like a #25 600nm. So no luck trying one out.
Chris ™
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Hi Frank!
The best filter choice is the Hoya R72 ... don't use darker IR filters!
Greetings from Germany
Chris
Both cams need the LA-DC58 lens adapter (58mm) ... check the manual. You also could use the lensmate adapter (49mm).
Yes, but the G2 is less IR sensitive than the G1 and it seems to differ from cam to cam. Some G2's seem to work very nice, but some users reported focus problems.
The best filter choice is the Hoya R72 ... don't use darker IR filters!
Greetings from Germany
Chris
Chris ™
Senior Member
Hi Ken!
Is the 1D really that bad with long exposures? Worse than the D30 up to 30 seconds for example in nightscenes?
Here's an IR example I shot yesterday ... a branch of my christmas tree:
Canon EOS D30
Canon EF 75-300mm/f4.0-5.6 IS
Extension Tube Set, 68mm
30 sec, f8.0, 90mm, ISO100
Greetings from Germany
Chris
Well, the D30 also isn't the long exposure king
Is the 1D really that bad with long exposures? Worse than the D30 up to 30 seconds for example in nightscenes?Here's an IR example I shot yesterday ... a branch of my christmas tree:
Canon EOS D30
Canon EF 75-300mm/f4.0-5.6 IS
Extension Tube Set, 68mm
30 sec, f8.0, 90mm, ISO100
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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