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Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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Well, I was going to upgrade to the 1DX, which was going to cost a chunk of change anyway. The D800, being significantly cheaper, would absorb quite a bit of the switching cost. Now that's on the table too.

However, I'll wait till the cameras are tested in a lab before making any hasty decisions.
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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I'm only switching because I have always wanted to try Nikon. All you need to do is sell off your stuff gradually.

Right now I have 100L, 24-105IS and 1DsII for sale. Next will be 50L, 35L and 135L. Next will be 70-200MKII, 16-35MKII, 24-70L and 85L. The list goes on. Who knows I might end up with both.

I will recover my loses just by shooting one wedding.
 
...if you buy your lenses second-hand as I often do. You'd be surprised how stable lens prices are. I have even sold lenses and gotten more after 18 months of usage than I purchased them for, thanks to the continually devalued dollar. I also typically work with just a handful of core optics: ultra-wide zoom, fast normal lens, fast short-telephoto for portraits, and a dedicated macro lens. I currently have a bit of both Canon and Nikon, but at various times in the last 6 years, I have been exclusively one or the other. Switching isn't a big deal for me, and I will do it if there is something substantial to be gained.
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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I have a pre-order on the 1D X, but might cancel and switch.
As you may know this body only has an estimated price of 6500,- euro's.

The 1D X outperforms the D800 in:
  • ISO (most probably)
  • Speed
  • Robustness
As the main differentiators.
If these things are important to you then the 1D X will be a good camera.

If ISO, Speed and the build quality are less important, but you do need a perfect AF, dual card slot and high MP then the D800 might be excellent value for money.

This is the position I am in now..... I have the money to spend on the 1D X, but don't need its speed, robustness, though I like the ISO capabilities.

However I also know that Nikons D7000 does a very good job up to ISO 3200.
I hardly ever go over ISO 3200, so that would satisfy me.

If I make the switch now, I know I can spend up to 6500 euro's, plus I have some extra glass to sell off, for which I can buy new lenses.

The D800 plus the 24-70 / 2.8 and the 70-200 / 2.8 will cost me about the same as a 1D X. That would give me a start after the switch has been made. Then I can sell of my old Canon lenses and buy some back that I really need, like eg. the 85mm.

This is probably the way I will be doing it if I will jump ship.... but first lets wait for the 5D3 announcement.
 
Kabe Luna said:
...if you buy your lenses second-hand as I often do. You'd be surprised how stable lens prices are. I have even sold lenses and gotten more after 18 months of usage than I purchased them for, thanks to the continually devalued dollar. I also typically work with just a handful of core optics: ultra-wide zoom, fast normal lens, fast short-telephoto for portraits, and a dedicated macro lens. I currently have a bit of both Canon and Nikon, but at various times in the last 6 years, I have been exclusively one or the other. Switching isn't a big deal for me, and I will do it if there is something substantial to be gained.
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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Kabe Luna

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What do you shoot with right now. You seems to be very objective with these cameras. It is hard to know what you actually shoot with.
 
+1 to that

I'm a buy and sell junkie and not a pro, and have no problem buying a complete Canon setup just for a few months use for a project or sports and then selling.

My current setup I bought used for:
mint 5DII - $1500 (screaming bargain)
70-200 II - $1750
85 1.8 - $315
24-105 0 $780

I can sell all of that and make a few hundred in profit no problem. As long as you're patient, you can bargain hunt. I can usually about break even, so it's like getting use of the equipment for free as long as you take good care of it.

But even if you buy nice L lenses brand new, you only lose about 10-20% or so after a few years use. If you buy cheaper lenses, you'll lose more like 50%.
Kabe Luna said:
...if you buy your lenses second-hand as I often do. You'd be surprised how stable lens prices are. I have even sold lenses and gotten more after 18 months of usage than I purchased them for, thanks to the continually devalued dollar. I also typically work with just a handful of core optics: ultra-wide zoom, fast normal lens, fast short-telephoto for portraits, and a dedicated macro lens. I currently have a bit of both Canon and Nikon, but at various times in the last 6 years, I have been exclusively one or the other. Switching isn't a big deal for me, and I will do it if there is something substantial to be gained.
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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Kabe Luna

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However I also know that Nikons D7000 does a very good job up to ISO 3200.
I hardly ever go over ISO 3200, so that would satisfy me.
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Well, the D800 should be at least 1 stop better than D7000 at same printing size, but I'm convinced, from looking at these samples and my experience with the D7000, that it'll be even better, since at full res, they already look better. And DR will be awsome, as will be shadow recovery abilities. I frequently uderexpose at base ISO instead of going up and just adjust in PP later. It is that good (D7000, but there's every indication D800's sensor is similar).

The other reason for my expectations re IQ is that the ADC is totally different, since RAWs are 1.8x larger, in relative terms, than those in the D7000's. Nikon is extracting much more info from analog signal it seems.

So much so that I'll add the D800 to my bag, and get the ... 14-24, finally. That's the lens every Nikon shooter longs for, but one needs some reason to go for it, the D800 loks like a good one ;).
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my Canon gear is: 5DII with 17-40/4L, 50/1.4, 85/1.8 and 100/2.8 Macro

My Nikon gear is: D700 with 28-105/3.5-4.5D, 55/2.8 Micro and 85/1.8

I use the Nikkors on my Canon via adapter quite often because for some subjects I prefer their rendering wide open, and in the case of the 55/2.8 Micro, manually focusing is easier and more precise than with the Canon 100/2.8 Macro. I use an SB-900 triggered by Pocket Wizards with both setups because I love the little gels Nikon provides as standard that help balance flash with ambient light.
amobi said:
Kabe Luna said:
...if you buy your lenses second-hand as I often do. You'd be surprised how stable lens prices are. I have even sold lenses and gotten more after 18 months of usage than I purchased them for, thanks to the continually devalued dollar. I also typically work with just a handful of core optics: ultra-wide zoom, fast normal lens, fast short-telephoto for portraits, and a dedicated macro lens. I currently have a bit of both Canon and Nikon, but at various times in the last 6 years, I have been exclusively one or the other. Switching isn't a big deal for me, and I will do it if there is something substantial to be gained.
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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Kabe Luna

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What do you shoot with right now. You seems to be very objective with these cameras. It is hard to know what you actually shoot with.
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Kabe Luna

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MirkoB said:
So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money.
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It's easy. You just push your Canon bodies and lenses out into your driveway, pour gasoline on them, and set them ablaze. Then start over with Nikon.
 
You can get almost every dime you invested in Canon. Canon lenses are very easy to sell. For every pro that's going Nikon, there's two dozen wanna-bes looking into buying Canon just for the brand name. I bought and sold many lenses on ebay and fred miranda in the past. Sony and Pentax I have no idea, Canon and Nikon sell like hot cakes.

Then you simply look for comparable (good) nice second-hand Nikon lenses on those markets, within weeks you have an admirable Nikon lineup just as good as, sometimes better, than the Canon version you used to have. No loss of money involved.

Max
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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Kabe Luna said:
My Nikon gear is: D700 with 28-105/3.5-4.5D, 55/2.8 Micro and 85/1.8

I use the Nikkors on my Canon via adapter quite often because for some subjects I prefer their rendering wide open, and in the case of the 55/2.8 Micro, manually focusing is easier and more precise than with the Canon 100/2.8 Macro. I use an SB-900 triggered by Pocket Wizards with both setups because I love the little gels Nikon provides as standard that help balance flash with ambient light.
amobi said:
Kabe Luna said:
...if you buy your lenses second-hand as I often do. You'd be surprised how stable lens prices are. I have even sold lenses and gotten more after 18 months of usage than I purchased them for, thanks to the continually devalued dollar. I also typically work with just a handful of core optics: ultra-wide zoom, fast normal lens, fast short-telephoto for portraits, and a dedicated macro lens. I currently have a bit of both Canon and Nikon, but at various times in the last 6 years, I have been exclusively one or the other. Switching isn't a big deal for me, and I will do it if there is something substantial to be gained.
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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Kabe Luna

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What do you shoot with right now. You seems to be very objective with these cameras. It is hard to know what you actually shoot with.
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Kabe Luna

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Well I guess it is not a bad idea to mix Canon with Nikon. One way on the other I must shoot with a Nikon camera this year.
 
People who really contemplate switching brands because some new camera came out are often engaging in hysteria and appear to be naive in a number of ways. If more MP were the only thing that mattered, an old Nikon owner would have switched to Canon, then switched to Sony, and now back to Nikon in a matter of a few years.

A few things to think about...
  • From time to time one brand or another announces a new camera that includes some new or more advanced technology. Soon the other manufacturer(s) counter with their own advances. Back and forth it goes. Over the long term, these little ups and downs mean little, and in the end both brands make fine gear.
  • While "adding 14MP" seems like an astonishingly amazing thing... if you actually plot on the difference in print size at a constant pixels per inch value, you'll be surprised at how small it is. My rule of thumb is that an increase typically needs to double the existing MP count in order to be very significant. Going from 22MP to 2MP is roughly the same difference as going from about 6 MP to about 9 MP - it makes a difference, but perhaps not as much as you expect.
I think the D800 sounds like a great camera for certain kinds of shooters, and if I were a Nikon shooter I would be very excited and perhaps purchase one.

Dan
MirkoB said:
Now when D800 is out i noticed manny people here are talking about switching from Canon to Nikon like that is piece of cake. If you are new in DSLR world than it is easy to pick brand you want. But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money. I can understand that only if you are so rich that you do not need to think about money. But than again, you have 1DX in that case? thx.
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"But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money."

A 10-20% discount will allow you to sell your gear immediately, almost always.

That's only a $2-4K loss if you own $20K in gear or less. If a new system truly gives you an advantage in your field (for example: 36MP for outdoors photography or MACRO would be a significant advantage), then your photos could keep you "ahead" making a 10-100 bucks more, times a hundred per year, times 4 years, could easily pay for most the loss.

Furthermore, your current gear is already depreciating. Holding onto it for 20 years doesnt really save its value. (Is your 24-70 really going to be the best 24-70, 10 years from now?). Nikons OLD 28-78 and OLD 70-200s sell at DISCOUNT prices.

So selling your gear sooner than later can actually save you money, and you have the versatility of learning two different systems and being able to interact in both.

Don't believe people who say that switching systems is "too expensive". Its not. Holding onto your gear for 20 years, when they significantly devalue is what's too expensive. Upgrading your business for less than $5K, especially if it keeps you interested and motivated, is almost always worth it.

Just don't do it when it doesn't add any (A) value or (B) motivation.

$2K is not make or break for most businesses, if you stick with it for 5 years.
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I have 10 lenses plus a teleconverter, three bodies, two flashes, numerous cable releases and other accessories. Mostly I have gotten my money's worth out of them all.

I will later this week do the first serious calculation (in my life) about the cost of the switch. Nikon has been leading for a long time and my ultimate setup would be the D4 and the D800.

But I might begin by buying a mint D700 and the core lenses, the Nikon holy trinity of zooms. I would get my hands on the 14-24... That alone tempts me.

However, I fear it will be too expensive and takes a lot of time. Maybe, just maybe, Canon has something nice in the wings. If they continue to dumb down the products unlike Nikon, then I'm gone. Whatever they do, they must have clean shadows like the Sony sensors do.

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Keeping aging equipment is definitely more expensive than upgrading or switching brand. We learned it the hard way. That's why we upgrade our lenses whenever there's a new version came out. We upgraded to TS-E 24 II as soon it came out and it was a huge improvement over old version. The 28-300IS is also a MAJOR upgrade from 35-350L. You lose very little in the process but stay on the leading edge which also make your business life easier. Most people don't realise that.

Max
GlobalGuyUSA said:
"But how to do that after years and years of collecting of lenses and other equipment? I have 6 lenses for Canon. So how to change? It is not so easy and without serious loss of money."

A 10-20% discount will allow you to sell your gear immediately, almost always.

That's only a $2-4K loss if you own $20K in gear or less. If a new system truly gives you an advantage in your field (for example: 36MP for outdoors photography or MACRO would be a significant advantage), then your photos could keep you "ahead" making a 10-100 bucks more, times a hundred per year, times 4 years, could easily pay for most the loss.

Furthermore, your current gear is already depreciating. Holding onto it for 20 years doesnt really save its value. (Is your 24-70 really going to be the best 24-70, 10 years from now?). Nikons OLD 28-78 and OLD 70-200s sell at DISCOUNT prices.

So selling your gear sooner than later can actually save you money, and you have the versatility of learning two different systems and being able to interact in both.

Don't believe people who say that switching systems is "too expensive". Its not. Holding onto your gear for 20 years, when they significantly devalue is what's too expensive. Upgrading your business for less than $5K, especially if it keeps you interested and motivated, is almost always worth it.

Just don't do it when it doesn't add any (A) value or (B) motivation.

$2K is not make or break for most businesses, if you stick with it for 5 years.
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1. unless you print big, you don't need 36 mpixels. I do 16x24 now and would like to print bigger, but is it worth the incremental gain?

2. Until I improve the content of my images, its a waste of money to improve the technical quality. I can certainly work on content with the gear I have, which is currently the best Canon has to offer.

3. Canon will not let Nikon retain such an overwhelming lead. It may take a year or so to catch up, but I can wait. And if I can't fix the content part, I won't even upgrade to the next Canon offering.

This is a great challenge for Canon and we Canon owners ought to be grateful for it.

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How many brands would a brand switcher switch if a brand switcher could switch brands?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
maxz said:
Keeping aging equipment is definitely more expensive than upgrading or switching brand. We learned it the hard way. That's why we upgrade our lenses whenever there's a new version came out.
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So you're the reason these new lenses are so damn expensive!
 
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