X-S1 Night shots.

Hi alex:
Well, the HS20 has been widely considered as having the best image quality amongst current super zooms by reviewers, just a bit quirkly and you need to customize it to get the best out of it.
Are these professional type reviews and if so could you provide a link/s?...I ask because this is not what I've read or seen, but I'm willing to listen...

lw
 
Well, the HS20 has been widely considered as having the best image quality amongst current super zooms by reviewers, just a bit quirkly and you need to customize it to get the best out of it.
Are these professional type reviews and if so could you provide a link/s?...I ask because this is not what I've read or seen, but I'm willing to listen...

lw
I've never seen a neutral reviewer give Fuji's bridges top billing. Heck the HS10 here at DPR could manage no better than "middle-of-the-road" status.

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Hi rm:
I've never seen a neutral reviewer give Fuji's bridges top billing. Heck the HS10 here at DPR could manage no better than "middle-of-the-road" status.
I know and DPR liked the HS20 so much they didn't even review it or take any sample shots...I know some like the HS series for extreme birding but receiving top overall billing, I don't see it...

lw
 
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You can't really determine an individuals intent or character from the discussions we have here, I can tell you right now, I am not as bad as you think I am.
Ditto. You might be a great guy if we were ever to meet and you might feel the same way about me. But that isn't going to happen. We only know each other by our internet interactions, and your internet persona is, frankly, simply appalling. Not only that, you don't have only one, you have several, and they change with the weather or with your mood. You're probably not that way amongst your neighbors and co-workers, otherwise you'd be a puree by now. If you can be that way there, you could also be that way here. My money says that you won't, but it would be nice to be wrong.
 
Here's some reviews (the key is they utilized EXR mode):

http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/digital-cameras/fujifilm-finepix-hs20-exr/11934.html

Still Image Quality

As quirky as the Fujifilm Finepix HS20 EXR may be, it produced some of the best images we've seen from a Super Zoom in this class. The camera is stocked with a brand new 16-megapixel 1/2-inch BSI (Backside Illuminated) EXR Sensor, which is slightly larger than last year's 1/2.3-inch chip and packs significantly more megapixels than the HS10's 10-megapixel cap. As with any backside illuminated sensor, the Finepix HS20 EXR's wiring resides behind the actual chip, allowing more light to spill in. If you choose to shoot in EXR mode, the pixels are arranged at a 45-degree angle orientation and shift depending on the shooting environment. For instance, if you're shooting in DR mode, the pixels will split and capture two separate images, thus combining them within the camera to provide an image with minimal highlights and shadows.

Amidst all of this technology, the Fujifilm Finepix HS20 EXR was one of our best performers. Many times, our EXR results trumped that of Program AE or Auto mode. Colors and detail in bright light were fantastic when dialed in correctly, and the camera's low light performance was killer. Even when we shot in super low light at ISO 100 and cranked the Shutter down to 30-seconds, the Finepix HS20 EXR produced a great image. Noise management was better than most competing cameras, including the Canon PowerShot SX30 IS and Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ40. Therefore, we can safely report that the Fujifilm Finepix HS20 EXR will give you the best image quality out of a Super Zoom in this class and price range, even after having just seen the Nikon Coolpix P500.

You can tell theyre unbiased because they point out the failings of the camera also.

Here is something from Cameralabs:

SN EXR mode combines multiple photosites to produce a single image pixel. This improves the light-gathering capacity and, in theory, improves the noise performance, but at the cost of halving the maximum image resolution to 8 Megapixels. So how does it measure up in practice? Well, there's a huge improvement in the noise quality of the SN crops, clear evidence that Fujifilm's EXR SN mode really works. There are two obvious drawbacks - the 8 Megapixel maximum resolution and the 1600 ISO upper sensitivity limit (for manually selected ISO settings, though there is an auto setting with an upper limit of 3200 ISO). But if you don't plan on making big prints and there's enough light to work at 1600 ISO or lower, there's every reason to switch to SN EXR mode for cleaner images with more detail and significantly less noise.

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Compared to Sony Cyber-shot HX100V

There are several reasons you might decide on the Fujifilm FinePix HS20 EXR as an alternative to the Sony Cyber-shot HX100V. You might prefer the manually operated barrel zoom and the wider field of view of its 24-720mm zoom lens.

The FinePix HS20 EXR can also shoot RAW, so offers more control over image processing and has a hotshoe for mounting an external flash. If you prefer AA batteries to a proprietary power pack, following Canon's decision to drop AA's in the PowerShot SX30 IS,Fujifilm is one of a dwindling number of manufacturers to provide this option.

Then there's the HS20's unique EXR modes which improve noise levels or dynamic range, albeit both with a drop to 8 Megapixels. From a handling perspective the FinePix HS20 EXR has lots of physical controls so if you like to experiment with different settings that could be an advantage.

In my view though, the Cyber-shot HX100V is a better designed camera: it's smaller, lighter, faster, and its image quality, at full resolution at least, proved superior to the FinePix HS20 EXR in both our real world resolution and high ISO noise tests. If you're prepared to drop to 8 Megapixels, though, the FinePix HS20 EXR's Pro Low-light and High ISO & Low Noise (SN) modes produce much better reults.

See my Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX100V review for more details.

Compared to Canon PowerShot SX30 IS

In terms of specifications, the FinePix HS20 EXR has some advantages over the PowerShot SX30IS. It has a higher resolution 16 Megapixel sensor, superior continuous shooting (because the PowerShot SX30IS has none worthy of the name), Composite modes for low light, HDR and shallow DoF and support for RAW shooting.

Then there's the HS20's unique EXR modes which improve noise levels or dynamic range, albeit both with a drop to 8 Megapixels.

It also has pretty good high resolution panoramic shooting and if you were disappointed by Canon's decision to drop AA batteries on the SX range, you'll be pleased to know that Fujifilm still likes them. Lastly it has full HD video at 1080p compared with the SX30's 720p.

On the other side of the score sheet the SX30 IS's killer feature is its mammoth 35x optical zoom which matches the HS20 EXR at the wide angle end and outreaches it by a significant margin at the telephoto. Like the Cyber-shot HX100V, the PowerShot SX30 IS is more compact, lighter and better designed than the FinePix HS20 EXR. Lastly, the SX30 IS image quality in both our real-life resolution and high ISO tests proved superior to the FinePix HS20 EXR, at least when each was set to its maximum resolution.

Once again, though, the HS20 EXR's 8 Megapixel High ISO & Low Noise (SN) mode produce better results at equivalent ISO sensitivity settings than the PowerShot SX30 IS at full 14 Megapixel resolution so, providing you're prepared to sacrifice image resolution, the FinePix HS20 EXR enjoys the edge in low light conditions. Added to which, if you can't live without RAW shooting, are a fan of manual zooms, physical controls and AA battery power, the FinePix HS20 could prove the more attractive option.

See my Canon PowerShot SX30 IS review for more details.

Fujifilm FinePix HS20 EXR verdict

The Fujifilm FinePix HS20 EXR is one of those cameras you can quickly decide whether you love or hate. It's a camera with real personality, not like any other super-zoom on the market. In terms of handling, the manually operated barrel zoom really defines this camera. If you like to be in control, and able to frame your shots rapidly this could be the super-zoom you've been waiting for. If you want to be able to use the zoom during video recording it probably isn't.

While the FinePix HS20 EXR's image quality wasn't on a par with the Sony Cyber-shot HX100V or Canon PowerShot SX30IS at their maximum resolutions, the HS20 has the unique advantage of its EXR modes which reconfigure the sensor pixels to improve noise or dynamic range - albeit with a drop in resolution to 8 Megapixels. This is the compromise you have to decide upon. If you want the best quality images at the maximum resolution, the competition will beat the HS20, but if you're willing to effectively lose half of your total Megapixels, then the HS20 will comfortably out-perform its rivals on noise and dynamic range. And it's important to note you can't match this performance on other cameras by simply reducing their resolution, as Fujifilm is doing cleverer pixel-grouping on the HS20.

Ultimately the FinePix HS20 EXR has plenty going for it: there's those unique EXR modes, the manual zoom ring, lots of manual control, 1080p movies, and some clever composite modes, in addition to being one of the few super-zooms to provide support for RAW shooting. If you feel you can exploit the EXR modes and don't need to zoom smoothly while filming, it's a compelling model which comes Recommended, but those who want a more traditional super-zoom will arguably be better-off with the competition.
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Honestly I dont care whether Dpreview reviews a camera or not; they didn't review the Olympus C-7070 either and that was a wonderful camera. They reviewed the F550, which as the same sensor as the HS20 and an inferior lens and much less manual controls, so whether or not they review a camera means nothing.

You can tell the above reviews I quoted are unbiased because they have negatives as well as positives----the key is, they are the only ones with enough intelligence to use the camera in the mode it was meant to be used---- EXR. Cameralabs stated the image quality both in terms of dynamic range and high iso noise comfortably beats the Sony HX100V and the Canon SX30 and the Infosync review said it was better than the Nikon P500. Thats all I needed to know..... and along with being the only camera not cripped with a lack of manual controls and RAW mode, it was really a no brainer, unless someone wants to buy a toy camera with no manual controls.
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This was all borne out by the recent sensor review at DXOMark which showed the DR of the F550 and F600 (same sensor as HS20) beats that of 4/3 cameras and matches that of APS-C sized sensors.
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Thanks and no problem :) I did a ton of research before making the purchase, and this was a niche camera for me, as I already have a DSLR and a short zoom compact, so this was my first long zoom model. RAW and having manual controls (and a threaded lens!) were amongst my requirements, since I have never owned a digital camera that didn't have at least 2 of the 3. So it was pretty much down to Fuji vs Panny.
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I guess for snapshot shooters, the X100 is overpriced.
for those of us doing it for a living and do a lot of shooting in Auditoriums, churches or other low light events where silence is golden, the X100 is a Bargain at the original RRP !! . it beats the old way of having to warn the Audience or congregation that there will be a photographer present and timing the clatters accordingly often not getting the most expressive shots - I just wish they'd made an 18-45 (28-70) F2.8-4 version with optical IS ..

I used to use an R1 in good light, thesedays you can use compacts like the G11 etc but the X100 combines the silence with almost D700 level high ISOs , the best JPG engine in the business, that superb HUD-equipped OVF and an F2 lens, I may add the canon G1X too .

This is why I have no interest in the XPro - it has a focal plane shutter like NEX and M43 mirrorless cams

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This was all borne out by the recent sensor review at DXOMark which showed the DR of the F550 and F600 (same sensor as HS20) beats that of 4/3 cameras and matches that of APS-C sized sensors.
Where did you see that review? My understanding was that the DR of cameras like the F550 but more likely the X10 might match a 4/3 sensor or V1 but you are saying a whole lot more than that.

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Obiously comparing NR-processed images (X-S1 & S200EXR) with non-NR-processed one (S100fs). They should have turned off the NR on X-S1
 
Has Paul stated his opinion anywhere yet? He paid for it, he is using it,he has probably pixel peeped it to death on a hi res monitor by now. Any conclusion?

Or is he just foxing until we run out of bullets and have to top up the coffee pot ?
heh heh heh....
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You know I do believe I can hear the coffee grinder working :)
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http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS20EXR
Fuji HS10,
Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
 
Has Paul stated his opinion anywhere yet? He paid for it, he is using it,he has probably pixel peeped it to death on a hi res monitor by now. Any conclusion?

Or is he just foxing until we run out of bullets and have to top up the coffee pot ?
heh heh heh....
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You know I do believe I can hear the coffee grinder working :)
Nah, that noise was his teeth, he has been looking at the splorbs in his photos :-)
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Love dat Fuji :P
http://akiwiretrospective.blogspot.com/
Fuji HS20EXR
Fuji HS10,
Pentax K1000, Pentax sf7, Pentax zx-50
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Someone on here made a thread about it, but here is the page:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/ (appareil1) 732%7C0 (brand) Fujifilm (appareil2) 703%7C0 (brand2) Fujifilm (appareil3) 221%7C0 (brand3) Olympus

In this test, I selected F550, F600 and E-520 (4/3 DSLR) and for Landscape (Dynamic Range), the F550 and F600 scored 10.6 and 10.8 EV respectively, while the E-520 DSLR scored a 10.4 EV on the same test.

edit: I think that link got truncated so start here and just add whatever cameras you want to compare it to; I added the E-520 DSLR because that's what I have.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/Fujifilm-F550-and-F600-EXR-Twin-cameras-review
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