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rick decker said:
Getting a series of RAW files from different folks. If you got one or two images from a half dozen SD1 users, you would have a good sample. You could start with Kendall, Britton, Bob, and Georges, and myself. That's five. And you could pick images off the web.
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Rick

I've already got a bunch of RAW files from various sources I've played about with in both SPP and PS CS5.

I really need to get my hands on the SD1 so I can experiment with the image capturing process for myself.

I really want the Sigma/Foveon thingie to work. When you get a good image from the combination, they are very, very good. Unfortunately the keeper rate (SD9 SD14 SD15) is very low compared with the keeper rate from my other gear. Even my latest acquisition, the Nikon 1 V1 has a much higher keeper rate. (Surprisingly good camera by the by)

JK
 
colinbm said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
colinbm said:
I want a replacement hot mirror for a DP1 so I can use it for InfraRed photography.
No answer from Australian agent or Sigma Japan, I asked months ago ! ? !
Col
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Your better off buying an SD10, SD14 or SD15 for IR use...They have easily removable IR filters and you get a choice of lenses to use. ;)
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Thanks Alf
I have SD15 & a self-converted (hot mirror removed) DP2 ;-)
I like the wider angle of the DP1 for IR.
I love my naked Foveon.
Col
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But the DP1 lens is equivalent to a 28mm on full frame, which is'nt really that wide.

I use a Sigma 14mm f3.5 on my SD14 which is equivalent to a 24mm lens on full frame. Thats currently my widest lens but there are times I wish I had an even wider lens, although I usually get around it by taking a series of shots and making panos.
The tricky bit is finding ultra wides that rectalinear and not fish-eye.

Sigma offer the 10-20mm rectalinear zoom, which is equivalent to a 17mm lens on full frame at the wide end or there is the Sigma 8-16mm rectalinear zoom, which is which is equivalent to a 14mm lens on full frame at the wide end.
They are'nt cheap but they are genuinely wide!
 
Thanks again Alf
I have the Sigma 10-20mm rectilinear zoom, which I like very much.
I hope to get a 'fish-eye' & a 1:1 macro, one day.
Col
 
Jaelkay said:
So sick of the few who continuously tell us what they can see in the SD1 images is so superior to what we can see.

Need to get my hands on an SD1 to test it. Refuse to pay AU$9k for a camera which can give me the same green/purple shadow noise that my $800 SD15 does so am asking where I can beg, borrow, rent or otherwise purloinl one? The Australian distributors don't want to know so they are totally out of the question. (I seriusly don't think they've even heard of the SD1)
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Probably need to start by not saying things like that. You need to praise, defend, ridicule tests which give negative results, and use terms like "that foveon look" no matter what you actually see. Then you might get to use one of their cameras.

I came to this forum to see what others were saying about the 85 1.4 after experiencing focus problems early on and was intrigued by all this foveon talk. I must admit I own mainly nikon gear with only one Sigma lens (85 1.4), previously one of the 70-300 renditions, currently considering the 150 or 180 macro; I personally have never seen a sigma camera and consider "that foveon look" akin to the abominable snowman--- those who feel they have seen it can not be convinced otherwise, the rest remain skeptical- the camp in which you seem to reside.
 
Jaelkay said:
rick decker said:
Getting a series of RAW files from different folks. If you got one or two images from a half dozen SD1 users, you would have a good sample. You could start with Kendall, Britton, Bob, and Georges, and myself. That's five. And you could pick images off the web.
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Rick

I've already got a bunch of RAW files from various sources I've played about with in both SPP and PS CS5.

I really need to get my hands on the SD1 so I can experiment with the image capturing process for myself.

I really want the Sigma/Foveon thingie to work. When you get a good image from the combination, they are very, very good. Unfortunately the keeper rate (SD9 SD14 SD15) is very low compared with the keeper rate from my other gear. Even my latest acquisition, the Nikon 1 V1 has a much higher keeper rate. (Surprisingly good camera by the by)

JK
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Some of the magic of Foveon is entirely down to how the X3F RAW files are processed...Get it right, and even SD9 and SD10 pics can look stunning...Get it wrong, and even SD1 images can look like rubbish. ;)
 
colinbm said:
Thanks again Alf
I have the Sigma 10-20mm rectilinear zoom, which I like very much.
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I just wish Sigma would makes a faster and sharper 10mm rectalinear prime as I'm not keen on using zooms. ;)
colinbm said:
I hope to get a 'fish-eye' & a 1:1 macro, one day.
Col
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I think 1:1 macro lenses are overated...I have two Nikon Micro Nikkors. Both only do 1:2 macros natively, but stick them on the SA mount via the Roxsen adapter plus an M42-SA adapter and you are closer to 1:1. To get a guarenteed 1:1 or more though I use 52mm Canon 500D screw-on close up lenses on the front rather than extension rings (although I also have Nikon extension rings) as I find extension rings seem to stop more light. Use 2 500D's together and you have 2:1 macros (2x life size) or more and the sharpness is still first rate.

However, the best macro lens currently available is the Canon MP-E 65mm f2.8...Its capable of 5:1 macros, on its own!
 
hikerdoc said:
Jaelkay said:
So sick of the few who continuously tell us what they can see in the SD1 images is so superior to what we can see.

Need to get my hands on an SD1 to test it. Refuse to pay AU$9k for a camera which can give me the same green/purple shadow noise that my $800 SD15 does so am asking where I can beg, borrow, rent or otherwise purloinl one? The Australian distributors don't want to know so they are totally out of the question. (I seriusly don't think they've even heard of the SD1)
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Probably need to start by not saying things like that. You need to praise, defend, ridicule tests which give negative results, and use terms like "that foveon look" no matter what you actually see. Then you might get to use one of their cameras.

I came to this forum to see what others were saying about the 85 1.4 after experiencing focus problems early on and was intrigued by all this foveon talk. I must admit I own mainly nikon gear with only one Sigma lens (85 1.4), previously one of the 70-300 renditions, currently considering the 150 or 180 macro; I personally have never seen a sigma camera and consider "that foveon look" akin to the abominable snowman--- those who feel they have seen it can not be convinced otherwise, the rest remain skeptical- the camp in which you seem to reside.
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Aha. Thats where the hammer meets the nail.

If you're not a 110% acolyte, you're rubbish and you will be treated as such. Honest, constcutive, criticism is not welcomed. Verboten, in fact.

I've had an SD9 (total rubbish), skipped the SD10, two SD14s (both now have new homes) and currently have an SD15 (first one had to go back to the Land of the Rising Sun to be replaced). I also have a load of Sigma lenses in both SA mount and Nikon F mount.

My favourite tele-zoom for the Nikon is the Sigma 80-400 EX OS, but even heaping praise on that lens does not get me out of the poo with the shills.

It's abundandtly clear to me that the Sigma/Foveon thingie is more a religious affiliation than anytthing to do with photography. They've even invented their own vernacular.

Taking a positive stance now - where else on this earth can you be entertained so ably by such masters - and all for no cost ;-)
 
DaSigmaGuy said:
colinbm said:
Thanks again Alf
I have the Sigma 10-20mm rectilinear zoom, which I like very much.
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I just wish Sigma would makes a faster and sharper 10mm rectalinear prime as I'm not keen on using zooms. ;)
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Some of their zooms are pretty darned good. I've often praised the 80-400mm EX OS (Nikon mount). Like Colin, I've found the 10-20mm (Nikon mount) to be a splendid lens as is the 50-150 (Nikon and SA mounts).
 
Thanks for all this Alf, much appreciated.
I have seen some wonderful pix with the Canon MP-E 65mm f2.8 :-)
Col
 
Jaelkay said:
Thanks mate. Wasn't aware of them at all. Will give them a try. Dirt Cheap weren't interested at all. but this mob might be.
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On further investigation I can't work out where they're based - so here's another possible store:

http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Sigma-Sd1-46mp-Digital-Slr-Body-p101960.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBDF-85837 This one says it's Australian owned and offers the SD1 for a Cash Price of $6,711.95. They are based in Sydney and have an actual physical store, apparently.

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SigmaChrome said:
Jaelkay said:
Thanks mate. Wasn't aware of them at all. Will give them a try. Dirt Cheap weren't interested at all. but this mob might be.
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On further investigation I can't work out where they're based - so here's another possible store:

http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Sigma-Sd1-46mp-Digital-Slr-Body-p101960.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBDF-85837 This one says it's Australian owned and offers the SD1 for a Cash Price of $6,711.95. They are based in Sydney and have an actual physical store, apparently.

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Vitée
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The first mob are in Germany. I've sent an email to the Australian mob to see if their advertised price is firm or whether they are perpared to haggle a bit. Even so, their price is competitive when one considers it includes GST.

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Jaelkay said:
If you're not a 110% acolyte, you're rubbish and you will be treated as such. Honest, constcutive, criticism is not welcomed. Verboten, in fact.
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The SD1 seemed to inspire more personal attacks, based on the SRP, than any real critique or discussion. It's why I stepped back from it, it was counterproductive.
Jaelkay said:
I've had an SD9 (total rubbish), skipped the SD10, two SD14s (both now have new homes) and currently have an SD15 (first one had to go back to the Land of the Rising Sun to be replaced).
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The SD10 was actually, in context, one of the better ones. Right price, right resolution, and well behaved. I am always amazed by the luck people seem to have though - in all my Sigma cameras, they've been reliable. In fact, I can honestly say in ALL the cameras - Sigma and otherwise - I have owned, I've yet to have a faulty one.

Price aside, the SD1 is very good.

The closest I've had has been a much abused review camera making noises.

I've had a couple of iffy lenses, mind. Again, with review kit it's hard to judge if it's build, or handling.

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RKGoth said:
Jaelkay said:
If you're not a 110% acolyte, you're rubbish and you will be treated as such. Honest, constcutive, criticism is not welcomed. Verboten, in fact.
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The SD1 seemed to inspire more personal attacks, based on the SRP, than any real critique or discussion. It's why I stepped back from it, it was counterproductive.
RKGoth said:
I've had an SD9 (total rubbish), skipped the SD10, two SD14s (both now have new homes) and currently have an SD15 (first one had to go back to the Land of the Rising Sun to be replaced).
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The SD10 was actually, in context, one of the better ones. Right price, right resolution, and well behaved. I am always amazed by the luck people seem to have though - in all my Sigma cameras, they've been reliable. In fact, I can honestly say in ALL the cameras - Sigma and otherwise - I have owned, I've yet to have a faulty one.

Price aside, the SD1 is very good.

The closest I've had has been a much abused review camera making noises.

I've had a couple of iffy lenses, mind. Again, with review kit it's hard to judge if it's build, or handling.

--
GeekGoth, Writer
http://www.geextreme.com/
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I'm still keen to get my hands on one. Not too sure whether I should comment on my oipinions about the image quality though. I copped another head-kicking today from a forum member who accused me of being aggressive or some other nonsense. Poor little dear.

Sigmachrome sent me a link to an Australian agent who has some in stock and we're negotiation now. Still not sure whether the stock is in Australia or overseas. The seller is being a bit cute about customs duties which leads me to believe it might be OS stock. In that case, the advertised price is going to jump 10%.
 
Jaelkay said:
RKGoth said:
Jaelkay said:
If you're not a 110% acolyte, you're rubbish and you will be treated as such. Honest, constcutive, criticism is not welcomed. Verboten, in fact.
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The SD1 seemed to inspire more personal attacks, based on the SRP, than any real critique or discussion. It's why I stepped back from it, it was counterproductive.
Jaelkay said:
I've had an SD9 (total rubbish), skipped the SD10, two SD14s (both now have new homes) and currently have an SD15 (first one had to go back to the Land of the Rising Sun to be replaced).
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The SD10 was actually, in context, one of the better ones. Right price, right resolution, and well behaved. I am always amazed by the luck people seem to have though - in all my Sigma cameras, they've been reliable. In fact, I can honestly say in ALL the cameras - Sigma and otherwise - I have owned, I've yet to have a faulty one.

Price aside, the SD1 is very good.

The closest I've had has been a much abused review camera making noises.

I've had a couple of iffy lenses, mind. Again, with review kit it's hard to judge if it's build, or handling.

--
GeekGoth, Writer
http://www.geextreme.com/
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I'm still keen to get my hands on one.
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I would'nt bother mate...pixel peeping the resolution chart samples from LL has clearly shown the SD1 resolution to be roughly equivalent to a 24mp Bayer sensor...Which puts it slightly above the 5D MkII but well under 30mp equivalent, as many had hoped.

The same resolution charts clearly show that the Sony NEX-7 has virtually the same resolution as the SD1 but unlike the SD1 it has more features than you throw a stick at, no mirror slap (because it has no mirror), a huge choice of lenses (even greater than EF mount), a smaller, lighter, sexier body and at under £1000, its far, far, far better value for money too!

Its clear the competion have already caught up with the SD1 so unless your fabulously wealthy camera collector then there really is'nt any point in lusting after an SD1 anymore. ;)
 
Jaelkay said:
I'm still keen to get my hands on one. Not too sure whether I should comment on my oipinions about the image quality though. I copped another head-kicking today from a forum member who accused me of being aggressive or some other nonsense. Poor little dear.
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It would be good to have unbiased opinion about the IQ of the camera on this forum...
Jaelkay said:
Sigmachrome sent me a link to an Australian agent who has some in stock and we're negotiation now. Still not sure whether the stock is in Australia or overseas. The seller is being a bit cute about customs duties which leads me to believe it might be OS stock. In that case, the advertised price is going to jump 10%.
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I find funny that some usual users dont offer to send you one (on sigmas behalf) or at least find a good place for you to find one...

if they can make a tour to show sigma prints, it clearly indicates they work fo Sigma:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=40225977&changemode=1
IMO
 
DaSigmaGuy said:
I would'nt bother mate...pixel peeping the resolution chart samples from LL has clearly shown the SD1 resolution to be roughly equivalent to a 24mp Bayer sensor...Which puts it slightly above the 5D MkII but well under 30mp equivalent, as many had hoped.

The same resolution charts clearly show that the Sony NEX-7 has virtually the same resolution as the SD1 but unlike the SD1 it has more features than you throw a stick at, no mirror slap (because it has no mirror), a huge choice of lenses (even greater than EF mount), a smaller, lighter, sexier body and at under £1000, its far, far, far better value for money too!

Its clear the competion have already caught up with the SD1 so unless your fabulously wealthy camera collector then there really is'nt any point in lusting after an SD1 anymore. ;)
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  • The founder of Sigma dies.
  • One of the Merril family dies.
  • I've been out sick for four days.
  • Alf becomes DaSonyGuy.
Man, this week sucks.

Actually, when you add in the Oly scandal and the Kodak bankruptcy, 2012 is just not doing so hot.

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Joseph S Wisniewski said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
I would'nt bother mate...pixel peeping the resolution chart samples from LL has clearly shown the SD1 resolution to be roughly equivalent to a 24mp Bayer sensor...Which puts it slightly above the 5D MkII but well under 30mp equivalent, as many had hoped.

The same resolution charts clearly show that the Sony NEX-7 has virtually the same resolution as the SD1 but unlike the SD1 it has more features than you throw a stick at, no mirror slap (because it has no mirror), a huge choice of lenses (even greater than EF mount), a smaller, lighter, sexier body and at under £1000, its far, far, far better value for money too!

Its clear the competion have already caught up with the SD1 so unless your fabulously wealthy camera collector then there really is'nt any point in lusting after an SD1 anymore. ;)
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  • The founder of Sigma dies.
  • One of the Merril family dies.
  • I've been out sick for four days.
  • Alf becomes DaSonyGuy.
Man, this week sucks.
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Dont worry Joe, I'm not planning on ditching my SD14 anytime soon...While the NEX-7 is good value I simply could'nt afford it right now, even on installments...I am a victim of the current recession.

Besides, I think I'll probably keep my current user name, even if I do go for another brand.
Joseph S Wisniewski said:
Actually, when you add in the Oly scandal and the Kodak bankruptcy, 2012 is just not doing so hot.
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Indeed, and its only just started! Lets just hope 2012 is'nt our last ever year either because the ancient Mayans predicted 2012 to be the date of the of the world!...We will have to wait until late December to see if their predictions are correct though.
 
DaSigmaGuy said:
Joseph S Wisniewski said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
I would'nt bother mate...pixel peeping the resolution chart samples from LL has clearly shown the SD1 resolution to be roughly equivalent to a 24mp Bayer sensor...Which puts it slightly above the 5D MkII but well under 30mp equivalent, as many had hoped.

The same resolution charts clearly show that the Sony NEX-7 has virtually the same resolution as the SD1 but unlike the SD1 it has more features than you throw a stick at, no mirror slap (because it has no mirror), a huge choice of lenses (even greater than EF mount), a smaller, lighter, sexier body and at under £1000, its far, far, far better value for money too!

Its clear the competion have already caught up with the SD1 so unless your fabulously wealthy camera collector then there really is'nt any point in lusting after an SD1 anymore. ;)
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  • The founder of Sigma dies.
  • One of the Merril family dies.
  • I've been out sick for four days.
  • Alf becomes DaSonyGuy.
Man, this week sucks.
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Dont worry Joe, I'm not planning on ditching my SD14 anytime soon...While the NEX-7 is good value I simply could'nt afford it right now, even on installments...I am a victim of the current recession.

Besides, I think I'll probably keep my current user name, even if I do go for another brand.
DaSonyGuy said:
Actually, when you add in the Oly scandal and the Kodak bankruptcy, 2012 is just not doing so hot.
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Indeed, and its only just started! Lets just hope 2012 is'nt our last ever year either because the ancient Mayans predicted 2012 to be the date of the end of the world!...We will have to wait until late December to see if their predictions are correct though.
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