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ok. so just how bad is this orb issue

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Daniel Lowe said:
Silent Oracle said:
But with threads like this....it's going to look like there is a very happy lot of photographers who do not consider ORBS an issue when the type of shooting/lighting/conditions that they use do not project the issue.
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So? that means the camera is usable after all and simply dispels your opinion that it should be binned outright. Who's more irrational?
Daniel Lowe said:
Threads like this.....they may encourage Fuji to do nothing.
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That statement seems to be due to a lack of connection to reality and a good dose of irrational fear.

Fuji are doing something, they issued an unprecedented statement of intent to do so.
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Wrong. There is a precedent for this. Fuji issued a statement that they would modify the X100's firmware after DPR tore them a new one in their review. They had a whole page of complaints about the excessively crappy firmware. A new low in Fujifilm programming for sure.
Daniel Lowe said:
And Fuji will continue to develop cameras that are closest to what enthusiasts actually want, this orb problem is nothing but an unfortunate bump in that road.
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and if it is the hardware that is the problem? What then? What if the sensor was designed so poorly that it overloads far more often than other sensors?
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but for all of you "orb is no-issue" snapshoters here, I just cannot wait for summer holidays and vacations; I wish you lots of sun , shiny stuff and reflective surfaces .. in your frames :D :D :D

Happy 2012, btw :)

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I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I dont know a whole lot about Lomo but it seems that things like light bleed, plastic lenses, and other fidelity destroying issues are actually somewhat desired. If it is true, as predicted, that the X10/XS-1's problems are pretty much baked into the camera, because of a faulty sensor, then Fujifilm's salvation for this whole mess might be to market these cameras as digital Lomography cameras. Could be a whole new market for them. They could capitalize on people who don't put a huge priority on IQ.
 
Trevor G said:
I'd rather a white disc producing camera than lose any of the amazing 2 to 2.7 EV of highlight recovery/protection in RAW.
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I shoot everything in RAW. I'm not finding that in RAW I'm getting any better highlight control here than on my G12. Or GF2. I am finding more in the jpegs though.

As I've said, if people don't shoot in situations where it's a problem it's not a problem, but it's hardly an all-around camera right now.

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... and found it doesn't work.

I had hoped it would too.

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“There is only you and your camera. The limitations in your photography are in yourself, for what we see is what we are.” Ernst Haas

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Interestingly, this Russian site gave the X-S1 a ggod review, but they didn't seem to notice the orbs. (translation is iffy though..)
One of their test pics has to hold the record for "Most Outrageous Orbs".

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The Test Shots
http://prophotos.ru/reviews/14675-fujifilm-x-s1?page=5

Sometimes, when looking through these test shots, I was surprised that pics where I expected to see orbs, there were none. (Quite cloudy in Russia though !!)
Then I got to the night shots near the end ... very orby indeed.

I can't see how any ammount of in camera trickery would be able to remedy that.

I have an X-S1 on order, and am checking here every day hoping to see that a firmware update does the trick .. but somehow I'm doubting it.
I may end up with an HS-30 instead !!
 
What's frustrating to some of us is that we DO like this camera so much in every other way. It's a great little camera with an Achilles' heel.

If we didn't love it, we wouldn't be so annoyed with this issue.

I'd like to sell my G12 because this camera, with its bigger sensor, could replace it and give me better shots. But at the moment I can't.

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“There is only you and your camera. The limitations in your photography are in yourself, for what we see is what we are.” Ernst Haas

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rattymouse said:
I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I dont know a whole lot about Lomo but it seems that things like light bleed, plastic lenses, and other fidelity destroying issues are actually somewhat desired. If it is true, as predicted, that the X10/XS-1's problems are pretty much baked into the camera, because of a faulty sensor, then Fujifilm's salvation for this whole mess might be to market these cameras as digital Lomography cameras. Could be a whole new market for them. They could capitalize on people who don't put a huge priority on IQ.
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That'll never happen. Not unless Fuji doesn't mind being ridiculed as the manufacturer of lameo cameras, and if they do, they might as well get LensBaby to produce a lens for their new MILC camera as well. Think of the orbs that camera/lens could produce if its new sensor shares any non-photosite tech. with the X10's sensor.
 
Daniel Lowe said:
Daniel Lowe said:
Summit_pg wrote:
If you're the shoot and upload to facebook type the orbs won't be an issue.
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This sort of ignorant comment is what starts so many unnecessary flame wars around here.

What you are effectively saying is that no one can be a 'proper' photographer and own an X10.
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No, he is saying the converse; that if you are not a "proper" photographer, then the orbs won't bother you.

It is a simple logical distinction. "Every Mercedes is a car" and "Every car is an Mercedes" are converse statements and are not equivalent.

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John Carson said:
Daniel Lowe said:
John Carson said:
Summit_pg wrote:
If you're the shoot and upload to facebook type the orbs won't be an issue.
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This sort of ignorant comment is what starts so many unnecessary flame wars around here.

What you are effectively saying is that no one can be a 'proper' photographer and own an X10.
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No, he is saying the converse; that if you are not a "proper" photographer, then the orbs won't bother you.
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Or maybe he is saying no one who is a proper photographer would own one.
 
Trevor G said:
Silent Oracle said:
Threads like this.....they may encourage Fuji to do nothing.
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I've been around long enough to know that many/maybe most/maybe all manufacturers do not pay much attention at all to dpreview forums and the issues raised therein.

Did Fuji fix the F550 lens problem because of the fuss raised in here?
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The lens problem was raised by DP Review and DC Resource in quite emphatic terms, so your example does not say anything specific about this forum. It shows that sometimes Fuji just ignores complaints (though the rapid arrival of the F600 has been interpreted by some as a response to the F550 criticism).

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TonyB51 said:
Interestingly, this Russian site gave the X-S1 a ggod review, but they didn't seem to notice the orbs. (translation is iffy though..)
One of their test pics has to hold the record for "Most Outrageous Orbs".
I can't see how any ammount of in camera trickery would be able to remedy that.
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I think those aren't orbs - the Russians have censored the photos by punching large round holes out of them.
TonyB51 said:
I have an X-S1 on order, and am checking here every day hoping to see that a firmware update does the trick .. but somehow I'm doubting it.
I may end up with an HS-30 instead !!
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I would take an HS30 any day over something that presents me with needlessly and unfixably trashed photos.
 
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