ok. so just how bad is this orb issue

[Trevor G]

Knowing this issue why would ANYONE risk buying a single one of their new cams?

Tne issue was known and displayed in here by Jolly Ollie before the X10 became available in these parts of the world.

I bought mine knowing it might be an issue, even though I could see that it only occurred under certain extreme circumstances.

It hasn't been an issue for me. It's a total non-event for me.

I'm keeping my X10, and if the fiormware fix results in losing something else that I like, I won't take it.

I'd rather a white disc producing camera than lose any of the amazing 2 to 2.7 EV of highlight recovery/protection in RAW.

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[Trevor G]

Threads like this.....they may encourage Fuji to do nothing.

I've been around long enough to know that many/maybe most/maybe all manufacturers do not pay much attention at all to dpreview forums and the issues raised therein.

Did Fuji fix the F550 lens problem because of the fuss raised in here?

They didn't fix the F550 lens problem at all (as far as I am aware). There was a camera that couldn't even take a reasonably sharp picture in any hands (although some lucky users got a good copy). A much bigger problem than the X10 white disc issue.

But the F550 is regarded as a much lower level camera than the X10.

Who knows, they might not be able to fix it. Will I sell mine because of that? No way!

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[Trevor G]

I can live with the rest until a better camera comes up, as for now the X10 offers the best of what I need.

And that is a sentiment I share also. ;-)

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[Trevor G]

Now some may also belong to a third group (or maybe I am the only one in it): the group which thinks that complaining here accomplish nothing, especially after the official statement by Fuji that they were working on a fix (done after some users contacted Fuji directly AFAIK).

dpreview seemed to imply that it came after they contacted Fuji.

I'm in your group. Being polite and patient never hurt anyone. ;-)

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[Trevor G]

Not sure if the EXR sensor has less resolution or the lens is soft,but the LX5 seems to murder the X10 with fine detail.maybe someone can confirm this.

Were you using L size or M size?

Images are sharper in M size, and generally appear better (to me, anyway).

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[ukdelboy]

Interesting!

Interesting that one of the notables of FTF posts a collection of snap shots, that are indeed merely snaps shots, of what looks like an evening in the back of a London cab. Lots of shots down the throat and cleavage. Great stuff for sailors coming off a ship tour but hardly earth scattering high quality photography - yet the praise abounds!

Yep! But the big difference between your shot and Paul's is - the cows in Paul's pics are ever so slightly better looking.

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[Silent Oracle]

Knurl, I understand the point of your thread - but we shouldn't overlook the fact that we have photographers paying significant $$$$$ for a camera and who should NOT even have to waste time inspecting each and every shot they take for this issue.

Not so.

I've taken well over 2000 shots with the X10.

I've got white disks in 3 dozen, because I deliberately tried to get white discs.

I don't inspect every shot I take looking for white discs. I don't even bother looking for white discs.

Even though I am deliberately shooting high contrast scenes I don't even look for white discs, because the circumstances under which I shoot just don't produce white discs.

You can hav 'em if yer wants 'em, or you kin leave 'em if ya care.

It's as simple as that.

No, it's even simpler: I have not had one white disc ruin any single shot of mine that I wanted. Not one.

Then again, I haven't even had one shot that I didn't want ruined by a white disc either, or even unexpectedly arrive and cause me embarassment.

I've got to hand it to the folk who can get white discs ruining their shots all the time - I don't know how they do it!

Trev, very few here would argue that you are the exception....orbs or not.
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[Will Hickman]

Del,

Sorta depends on the bulls perspective!

 

[Glen Barrington]

Children are starving because of this. It's a known cause of Global warming, and it caused Obama to try an end run around Congress thereby violating the US constitution. I don't know how we can survive this much longer, and it's all Fuji's fault!
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Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos. . .
http://www.jpgmag.com/people/glenbarrington/photos

 

[Billx08]

Del,

Sorta depends on the bulls perspective!

Sure does, so give us (more of) yours, if you know what I mean.

 

[Silent Oracle]

Del,

Sorta depends on the bulls perspective!

Sure does, so give us (more of) yours, if you know what I mean.

Will, Bill & Del....in my neck of the woods, female bovine are known as...heifers. My parents once had a horrific argument and poppy ended up calling mom a heifer. In all the decades that followed, she never allowed him to forget, that she would never forget, that moment. Oh that selective memory.....or should that be moo-orry? Whatever it is, that moment was udderly memorable.
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[alexisgreat]

Well, Fuji has its own Orbama.
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[alexisgreat]

haha well there are some women I have called vertical cows with overhanging udders. I dont understand why the word "heifer" is even necessary though--- the word "cow" already implies female.
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[Will Hickman]

A young female before she has had a calf of her own and is under three years of age is called a heifer ( ˈhɛfər heffer). A young female that has had only one calf is occasionally called a first-calf heifer.

An there's a Freemartin Heifer. Examples found in the FTF pasture.

 

[Daniel Lowe]

Summit_pg wrote:
If you're the shoot and upload to facebook type the orbs won't be an issue.

This sort of ignorant comment is what starts so many unnecessary flame wars around here.

What you are effectively saying is that no one can be a 'proper' photographer and own an X10.

 

[Wellington100]

Will, Bill & Del....in my neck of the woods, female bovine are known as...heifers.

If you think about it for a second that is a really dumb name, surely they should be called sheifers?

Its a cow for gods sake. Does male chauvinism have no limits?
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[Daniel Lowe]

But with threads like this....it's going to look like there is a very happy lot of photographers who do not consider ORBS an issue when the type of shooting/lighting/conditions that they use do not project the issue.

So? that means the camera is usable after all and simply dispels your opinion that it should be binned outright. Who's more irrational?

Threads like this.....they may encourage Fuji to do nothing.

That statement seems to be due to a lack of connection to reality and a good dose of irrational fear.

Fuji are doing something, they issued an unprecedented statement of intent to do so.

And Fuji will continue to develop cameras that are closest to what enthusiasts actually want, this orb problem is nothing but an unfortunate bump in that road.

 

[Billx08]

Will, Bill & Del....in my neck of the woods, female bovine are known as...heifers.

If you think about it for a second that is a really dumb name, surely they should be called sheifers?

Its a cow for gods sake. Does male chauvinism have no limits?

None whatsoever. Cows are the bull's udder half, so heifers must be a corruption of halfers. But as my good buddy Bart says,





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJd5bPHRVOg

 

[RichGK]

I have £500 spare and have been reading this forum for two months now debating whether to buy the X10 or not. If Fuji were to even come forward and say that they do have a fix but it's going to take a while, I'd still happily spend the cash and get the camera.

As it is long exposure night scenes are something I was hoping to use the camera for so at the moment I'm not convinced. However, I'm also not wanting to spend that cash on anything else as I'm not sure when I'll have £500 spare again.

There must be others like me who are just hanging around waiting for some kind of sign from Fuji!

 

[Billx08]

. . .

Will, Bill & Del....in my neck of the woods, female bovine are known as...heifers. My parents once had a horrific argument and poppy ended up calling mom a heifer. In all the decades that followed, she never allowed him to forget, that she would never forget, that moment. Oh that selective memory.....or should that be moo-orry? Whatever it is, that moment was udderly memorable.

In other words, she took the bull by the horns and milked that unfortunate remark for all that it was worth. Imagine if she had an mp3 recording of it.

Had James Thurber heard this (he might not have been able to read it) he might have said "I told you so." I think I'll see if I can revisit "The War Between Men and Women", last seen when albums were vinyl. Here's a snippet from the beginning of one of his short stories and an even shorter short :

http://byliner.com/james-thurber/stories/the-trouble-with-man-is-man

... When the little girl opened the door of her grandmother's house she saw that there was somebody in bed with a nightcap and nightgown on. She had approached no nearer than twenty-five feet from the bed when she saw that it was not her grandmother but the wolf, for even in a nightcap a wolf does not look any more like your grandmother than the Metro-Goldwyn lion looks like Calvin Coolidge. So the little girl took an automatic out of her basket and shot the wolf dead.

Moral: It is not so easy to fool little girls nowadays as it used to be.

"The Little Girl and the Wolf"
Fables for Our Time

http://www.troynovant.com/Franson/Thurber/Writings-Drawings.html