Fuji Mirrorless leaked

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

Sean Nelson said:

It's more likely to use bright line frames to show the fields of view of the various focal lengths, such as:



(...image is from the DPReview review of the Leica M9).

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SDF said:

Okay I got it now. Any idea how does it work on a zoom lens?

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The 3 leaked lenses are primes. Maybe they won't do a zoom lens? If they do, since there's already an electronic overlay on the optical VF on the X100 and providing they've built in the lens-to-body communication protocol to do so, they could let the lens tell the body what focal length it's currently set to and the body could adjust the VF brightline overlay size accordingly. That would be neat and definitely possible, but until we see what their implementation is we won't know.

rrr_hhh said:

Well it is somewhat stretched, a pink or a purple would be better . But I see you have a Nex 5n too (at least you are posting there too). So if you come nearby and allow me to try your Nex, then may be you can have half of a drink ;-).

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I thought so, the red GF1 isn´t exactly a screamer. And as yet no Nex, I just started to watch what´s going on over there. Could well be that I switch at some stage but I´m not in a rush. Down to a quarter of a drink?

Maybe the person holding it has a tiny hand. But if not this thing is big. Its much bigger than an EP3. Its big enough to have a full frame sensor.

Any of the smart folks around here have an idea how much smaller ff lenses could be with no mirror box in the camera? Not smaller? A lot smaller?

STejas said:

Any of the smart folks around here have an idea how much smaller ff lenses could be with no mirror box in the camera? Not smaller? A lot smaller?

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just look at Leica RF lenses; it really depends on what is added (focusing motors etc.). One problem with most Leica lenses is that they work best for film and not for digital sensors; but there are workarounds for that. I guess Fuji could make some bright and still relatively small prime lenses if they keep them mostly 'manual'.

ryanshoots said:

They absolutely can't follow the Sony beer can design for lenses. They have to create them like Leica.

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judging from the specs of the lenses they are aiming for something very different - not 'consumer quality' zooms with relatively small aperture, but some bright primes (more like an alternative for Leica M?). Sounds good, if the quality is there.

$1400 is not so far out of my price range if it can adapt my old lenses. The only thing that I would well and truly miss is the PL20.

Sounds good, if the quality is there.

Fujinon lenses are usually top notch, so the quality will surely be fine.

--Big body ? so is the X10 ..for the sensor size..compared to an S100 whose sensor is but a tiny bit smaller.
Crop cam slr body.. ok. Need details on the zoom ..ie speed.

To do that, they'd have to use a sensor with angled photo sites like Leica. If they're building their own sensor, I guess they might do that.

Jogger said:

It is using a larger than APSc sensor.

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Pure speculation on your part. We have no knowledge (just unsubstantiated rumor) of any details. Nonetheless, I'm not worried. There's plenty of room in the market for multiple brands, systems, and types of cameras.

This sounds like being the camera canon have hoped to launch sometime and nikon should have launched last month!

perhaps it will have on sensor pdaf too.

I was impressed by the DR on the images shown for the X10: better than the nikon 1 and the best single lens compacts before it IMHO. If it is sub 1000 USD with a sub f3 kit zoom then it could really eat into everyone elses piece of the pie, inc dslr.
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morganb said:

just found a link to a paper discussing Organic CMOS.

http://www.fujifilm.com/about/research/report/055/pdf/index/ff_rd055_004_en.pdf

im just starting to read it but i think its similar tech used in the x100.

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The sensor in the X100 is made by Sony. It isn't "Organic CMOS".

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Waiting with baited breath on this one. It seems like it may be like the old Contax G1/G2 cameras. Small prime autofocus lenses and the viewfinder magnified, or zoomed to match the lens focal length--NOT like Leica bright frame lines. Great camera and great lenses. If this camera comes close good bye G1. I've been waiting for Oly to make a camera with built in viewfinder and I'm tired of waiting. Also, I read an interview with a Fuji exec who said the sensoe would be larger than aps-c. No confirmation on fullframe, just larger than 1.5 crop sensor. All is speculation now but we'll know soon enough.

ryanshoots said:

Assuming the censor is APS-C or larger. (Betting on ASP-C, myself)

They absolutely can't follow the Sony beer can design for lenses. They have to create them like Leica.

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Fujifilm has a long track record of producing outstanding lenses. The lenses for the now-discontinued Hasselblad XPan and the Hasselblad H1/2/3/4 were/are designed by Fujifilm and manufactured in Japan.

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I've also found this quick explanation from an article introduction, basically it's about using carbon based molecules in electronics:

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The current generation of electronic devices is primarily based
on inorganic semiconductors such as silicon, but during the last
years, organic semiconductors (OSCs) have emerged as a
promising alternative for applications where low cost, flexibility,
large-area coverage, and/or novel function are considered
beneficial.1-16 The field-effect transistor (FET) is a particularly
important electronic device, as it is exploited in a manifold of
ubiquitous applications, ranging from the switching element in
flat-panel displays to the amplifier in speakers and microphones.
FETs are commonly divided into two different classes: n-type
when the charge transport in the active material is carried out
by electrons and p-type when the charge transport is carried
out by holes. A combination of n-type and p-type FETs with
similar charge-transport mobility is the basis for the complementary-
metal-oxide-semiconductor (CMOS) technology. CMOS
circuits exhibit a number of important advantages, including
good fault tolerance, high noise immunity, and low power
consumption, and they are accordingly utilized in a broad range
of analog and digital logic applications.
Currently, there is a strong interest in the realization of organic
CMOS circuits, which combine the attractive characteristic
features of OSCs with the efficient operation that the CMOS
technology offers.7,17-25
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp909216a
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And also this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_electronics

firefox23508 said:

Waiting with baited breath on this one.

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Well yes, that's bad breath. most people waited with 'bated breath, which is holding their breath, not breathing.

Hmmm -- maybe 'bated breath is good for someone with baited breath!

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Adventsam wrote:
Nikon j-v1 is dead already>

The Nikon 1 system is dead to YOU. But the Nikon 1 system isn't for YOU. It's for people who wan't small, easy to use, cameras that take 'good' pictures. I know, it's crazy, but MOST consumers don't know what "sensor size" is. Another newsflash for you: the majority of consumers place "ease of use" ahead of "image quality." As far as the white goes, have you ever heard of the iPod, iMac, iPhone, iPad, etc.? White is the new cool.

The Nikon J1 is the best point and shoot camera on the market, and it can shoot 10fps stills, 1,200 fps video, and it just so happens to have interchangeable lenses, so that you can buy some fun accessories.

It's not for people like you who want to check MTF charts before they can choose which lens to buy. It's not for people who go to DXOMark to make sure it's got the best sensor money can buy before they buy a camera. It's definitely NOT for people who want to use adapters to put their rare collection of legacy glass on a digital body.

In my dreams, would Nikon put out a $1400, metal body, FX, hybrid-viewfinder, rangefinder body, reminiscient of the venerable Nikon SP, but using the now-public-domain Leica M mount, which they have somehow modified to accommodate autofocus operation, and classic M-mount lenses? While they're at it, they would release a new line of Nikon M-mount lenses that have the resolution to stand up to a FX sensor, but are backward compatible with my trusty old M3, for when I get nostalgic enough to shoot film once a year. AND they'd make them 1/4 the price of Leica lenses. Yes, that's what I would hope for. That's what I would have prefered to see instead of the J1 and V1. But I'm not their target demographic, and neither are you.

And here's the bottom line, even if Nikon did produce the camera I described above, and the J1 at the same time, the J1 would outsell the "dream" camera. Just as Rebel T3 outsell 5DmkII, and D3100 will always outsell D700. Those aren't cameras for the average consumer, and neither is this Fuji. And it won't outsell the "dead" Nikon J1.

tinternaut said:

That the aperture control on the lens, used on Panasonic's first DSLR (and the original Pana Leica 25mm) is really quite a good idea??? .

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Total agreement. Just where I always wanted aperture control (and usually where it was placed) on film slrs. It might be the feature that decides me between Nex/mft and now Fuji (other factors being more or less equal). As if the Nex/mft decision wasn't difficult enough without Fuji buying in with specs like these. A very real competitor for the Nex7.

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Thanks for that ... I wondered which way that was spelled and flipped a coin, too lazy to Google it! Unfortunately all I ended up doing was baiting you!