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1) In every situation where I have voted (to date - 832 since 6th March 2011). I have viewed every entry in full screen.

2) Next I view each image in the Lightbox capable views. This allows me to view each image with any comments attached [mostly informative], to the picture, check out the EXIF information (just to see if I could have done this particular shot under the constraints shown) and to vote. Remember I viewed all the entries in full screen.

3) Now log out and come back into the Challenge and review my votes, just to be sure and not underscore an earlier entrant based on my voting.

4) Now do a Final review of the adjusted votes and await the outcome.

5) I now review each entry after the Challenge results and determine how my votes corrosponded to the actual votes in the final outcome of the Challenge. Sometimes I am bewildered, other times, fairly close to the norm. To me this is important because occasionally there are comments accompanying buried entries that I agree with. Check out the #4 place in the 'Lonely Highways' Challenge. I sent a private e-mail to this entrant and now wish I had posted it on the image. This is what all of us rookies, inept, incompetant, less than real image takers need. A word of encouragement for having less than #1.

6) Finally Challenges with more than 100 entries are out of my honest focus range. So Hosts, keep the Challenges at 100 or under. By the way the whole date time line issue sucks as each Challenge is posted 7, yes SEVEN days before it is open for submissions. Get real, late commers placing their entries right before the end at the last minute, just to check out the competition!

Finished and I will not comment on the 'Tamron Prize Challenge: Travel and Nature' farce.

Cheers all for now - Kipper
 
I believe that we are grow-ups and can see a better picture than ours and vote accordingly. I understand this not to be the rule but at the end of the day it is what you feel is right that counts. Also, the pleasure of sharing images with members other than friends and family where the critique may not be as direct as in the anonymous Challenges. In the beginning I didn't vote in Challenges that I entered because I was afraid that I will be biased but this goes away rapidly as I saw great photos posted. In addition, I limit myself to photos/theme that I care for, although limited at this time, with the hope to learn and get better and enjoy.
 
I really like the suggestions in here. I find myself not able to vote so easily in challenges where there are more than 100 photos. I like the idea of a cap of 50-100 at the most-- too as there are plenty of challenges to go around. I am leaning toward the idea that it would be helpful not to vote in challenges where we have entered. I am hopeful that there will be some good changes in the voting process in 2012.
 
50 is a bit restrictive, but anything more than 100 gets cumbersome.
I really like the suggestions in here. I find myself not able to vote so easily in challenges where there are more than 100 photos. I like the idea of a cap of 50-100 at the most-- too as there are plenty of challenges to go around. I am leaning toward the idea that it would be helpful not to vote in challenges where we have entered. I am hopeful that there will be some good changes in the voting process in 2012.
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I have never voted on a Challenge in which I am a participant. I assumed that this is the rule, but now I wonder if I have been over-scrupulous and unnecessarily handicapping myself.
I only vote in challenges where I have an entry, that way I get to see every photo and try to appreciate where mine my fit into the spectrum.

I'm here to learn and improve my own photography ... not to "win" challenges. I haven't ever won a challenge (or even come close) I figure if I can give an honest appraisal of a photo which someone else took then I should be able to honestly appraise my own photos.

Oh ... and I don't vote in challenges with more than a hundred entries either. It's just too hard
 
I don't only vote in challenges where I have an entry, other than that I echo the rest of your post.

Like other posters in this and other similar threads, I would like to see the number of entries limited to 50, with a requirement to vote in challenges you have entered (but a prohibition on voting for your own entry) and a requirement to justify your votes via comment.
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I agree . . except for the last part . . . here is my comment on that . .

"X"

Mandating that people justify their very high or very low votes is not workable . . . you can't make people write something meaningful and anything that isn't meaningful is pointless . . .
Like other posters in this and other similar threads, I would like to see the number of entries limited to 50, with a requirement to vote in challenges you have entered (but a prohibition on voting for your own entry) and a requirement to justify your votes via comment.
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Mandating that people justify their very high or very low votes is not workable . . . you can't make people write something meaningful and anything that isn't meaningful is pointless . . .
Hopefully the number of people who would limit themselves to 'X' would be ... limited.

The quality of comment will be as varied as the quality of entries. After all, the comments of someone just starting out in photography who has yet to master critical language and concepts will (probably) be of lesser value than someone more advanced. This doesn't make it pointless though. The point would be to help entrants develop critical skills hand-in-hand with improving their photography - in fact these two ends serve each other.

As I'm writing this I'm starting to think that even for the well-intentioned, 50 comments is a lot. To help with this, challenges could be run 25 entries at a time, with further tranches of 25 starting every 7 days. That way, niche challenges can be taken care of in one go, more popular challenges split over 2, 3, 4 etc tranches. Competitors can only enter 1 tranche. Every tranche has a winner.

And no-one need wade through more than 25 entries (or therefore make more than 23 comments) at any one time!

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I just tried voting on one of my entries and the vote was rejected. So I am baffled. I had assumed this was the case until I read some of the posts here that suggest that you can vote on your own entry. I presume that it is only your own entry that is blocked and that I could vote on the rest. Then what's to stop me sandbagging the competition?
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I just tried voting on one of my entries and the vote was rejected. So I am baffled. I had assumed this was the case until I read some of the posts here that suggest that you can vote on your own entry.
You are correct, you can't vote on your own entry, did you see anything else to the contrary?

I presume that it is only your own entry that is blocked and that I could vote on the rest. Then what's to stop me sandbagging the competition?

Nothing can stop you from sandbagging the competition... however you can only vote 0.5 star only once on each entry.
 
I generally vote only on chalenges of 50 or less.

Yes, 50 max is a good number.

50 max.

50 max.

DPR take note.
 
...in my experience. I've posted on this before and people says yeah, it often doesn't work.

Besides, even so, voters seem to have little regard for challenge topic & it just ends up a picking of favorites.
There has been a lot of talk about 50 entries per challenge where one can really assess the images and give justice to the photo. I am all for 50 max. Of course voting should be on slideshow see DK Baker with a twist.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1044&message=39738156
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Oh ... and I don't vote in challenges with more than a hundred entries either. It's just too hard
from dpreview's rules of thumb on judging challenge entries:

Rate as many, or as few, images as you wish. We chose a rating system over a ranking system because it frees you (the judges) from having to judge every image. Voting on only a subset of images in a challenge has no negative impact on the fairness of final result so take it easy.

The final ranking system assumes that not all people will judge (or necessarily even see) every image. As images are shuffled during judging (to ensure equal exposure), better images will still receive more high-value ratings, pushing them to the top in the final ranking.


Like every other aspect of the challenges, the voting is supposed to be fun, not hard work. I commend people who make the effort of voting on every image in a challenge, but it's not necessary, and I wouldn't want to see the number of challenge entries a host can allow limited simply due to the perceived difficulty of voting on them.
 
Unfortunately it has become necessary to get as many votes as possible due to the ease in which the results can be affected by Sandbaggers . . . even if a voter doesn't vote on each and every entry they still need to look at each and every entry to find the ones they wish to vote on.
Like every other aspect of the challenges, the voting is supposed to be fun, not hard work. I commend people who make the effort of voting on every image in a challenge, but it's not necessary, and I wouldn't want to see the number of challenge entries a host can allow limited simply due to the perceived difficulty of voting on them.
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My point exactly - to vote responsibly, one needs to view the image larger than thumbnail. By the time you view the image, you may as well vote on it. If you only vote on the ones you think look good in thumbnail, you are not being a responsible voter.
Unfortunately it has become necessary to get as many votes as possible due to the ease in which the results can be affected by Sandbaggers . . . even if a voter doesn't vote on each and every entry they still need to look at each and every entry to find the ones they wish to vote on.
Like every other aspect of the challenges, the voting is supposed to be fun, not hard work. I commend people who make the effort of voting on every image in a challenge, but it's not necessary, and I wouldn't want to see the number of challenge entries a host can allow limited simply due to the perceived difficulty of voting on them.
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