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Arn said:
Seriously. The NEX is a P&S camera with no flash hotshoe, no in-body IS, poor controls and large but slow lenses.
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You can have all these things but if your camera's sensor does not record anything all these things are meaningless. Camera's primary job is to make photos, which is what sensor does. All these things help but there may be work around them. But if sensor sucks you are in trouble.

Having said all this, I do not think any interchangeable lens camera is bad at the moment. If person knows what he is doing he could do very good with any camera.
Arn said:
Every time I try to shoot with the Sony NEX's, it gives the bloody heebie jeebies. I'm frankly surprised about the good rating in the site's review. It's quite apparent, that for anyone that is even a bit enthusiastic about photography, there are much better alternatives, even though for pure P&S types the NEX is probably allright. I see absolutely no reason for anyone to dump their MFT gear for such a camera. There is much much more to photography than just the sensor.

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Am I the only one who thinks the shutter sound of the Sony NEX cameras sounds like a bird hitting a pane of glass.

NOT TO MENTION, how did a camera that has a known, mechanical defect (happy, clicky noise in video) get such a good score on DPreview?

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I made a table including all the Panasonic, Olympus and Sony lenses along with their weight and dimensions last weekend and then sorted the whole second weight and volume.. I was surprised by the results, even considering similar focal length : the Sony lenses are not always the biggest, especially compared to Panasonic lenses, which can be quite big (didn't have the sizes for the new x series however).
I think that we are fooled by the tiny size of the Sony body.
TEBnewyork said:
For starters, Leica lenses are manual focus with no image stabilization.

I'm not really sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape about the Sony kit lens.....

Sony Kit Lens
Weight 214 g (0.47 lb)
Diameter 62 mm (2.44")
Length 60 mm (2.36")

Panasonic Kit lens
Weight 165 g (0.36 lb)
Diameter 61 mm (2.39")
Length 64 mm (2.50")

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Changing systems is expensive, especially if you are going to be repeatedly a victim of it as each new technology improvement is made by brand X. I say this from personal experience, with hindsight, I have sent a lot of money down the plug hole.

When deciding what system to go with, you are not just considering the 'here and now' but what a system may develop over the medium term.

There are clearly some technical advantages to the new Sony kit but handling and functionality are of equal importance in a buying decision - will the overall change give you better pictures overall. Perhaps if you have some cash you want to throw at your hobby, sticking with your current system and buying some better glass might bring greater rewards in results / enjoyment.
 
zxaar said:
Arn said:
Seriously. The NEX is a P&S camera with no flash hotshoe, no in-body IS, poor controls and large but slow lenses.
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You can have all these things but if your camera's sensor does not record anything all these things are meaningless. Camera's primary job is to make photos, which is what sensor does. All these things help but there may be work around them. But if sensor sucks you are in trouble.
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That's like claiming that in film cameras the film is the most important thing (which it obviously isn't). The sensor matters just as little or just as much. It works the other way from my point of view. You can have the best sensor in the world, but if you don't have all the other things in order, the sensor is useless. Slow and/or soft lenses are just one of the things that negate the benefits of a good sensor.
zxaar said:
Having said all this, I do not think any interchangeable lens camera is bad at the moment. If person knows what he is doing he could do very good with any camera.
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True.

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TEBnewyork said:
For starters, Leica lenses are manual focus with no image stabilization.

I'm not really sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape about the Sony kit lens.....

Sony Kit Lens
Weight 214 g (0.47 lb)
Diameter 62 mm (2.44")
Length 60 mm (2.36")

Panasonic Kit lens
Weight 165 g (0.36 lb)
Diameter 61 mm (2.39")
Length 64 mm (2.50")
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Olympus kit lens (14-42 Mk2 R)
Weight 112g
Diameter 57 mm
Length 50 mm

So 90% heavier and 42% extra volume compared to the Olympus.

Mark
TEBnewyork said:
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I regret selling E-PL1 to get 5N, their lens selection sux, no wonder I need to shoot at ISO3200 instead of ISO 800 with the 20mm, and it a noisy clicker too.

I am just waiting for the Leica 25mm before dumping 5N all together..
 
Look, the NEX-5N got a real high score, but I do find it strange that the 'con' list does not mention anything about extremely limited lens availability. It is true that the AF-adapter for A-mount lenses helps out (Olympus: please!!!).

Also, in terms of Image Quality, I have some difficulty understanding the different rating between jpeg/raw IQ and the seperate score for high ISO low light. Because, as far as I can see, the G3 seems to provide more detail in the lower ISOs. NEX may have some more DR to compensate?

But the bottom line is that the choice of system depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for a very compact large sensor solution, m4/3 is unbeaten: more compact lenses in general, more pancake prime options, even a pancake standard zoom solution.

If you're going to shoot a lot in low light with A-mount lenses, the NEX will have a significant benefit over m4/3. I also like the touch screen interface in the 5N: I really don't understand why Olympus didn't integrate it in the E-PL3 and E-PM1 (especially the latter). The sensor difference is another urge for Panasonic+Olympus to move to a new sensor design.

BTW, the NEX-5N scores the same 79% as the GH2. M43 still has a last line of defense... ;-)

Personally, I'd be interested in the NEX-5N for use with wider angle legacy lenses.
Len_Gee said:
Hello,

Sorry, my English is not so good but,

Look like the new Sony NEX 5N blow away all Oly and Panny MFT cameras.

So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.

If not, why you not?

I shoot both Panny GF-1 and G2. But now, they are old technology and not as good high ISO as new Sony NEX 5N.

Regards
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Buy a Sony if you like the features, but if it's for IQ then there just isn't enough difference between any of these cameras to ever notice.

If you like the Sony, just buy it. There's nothing wrong with that, I get my head turned all the time by cameras, but since you're asking, then my opinion is there is nothing about the NEX 5N's IQ that would make me buy it, and having used a friends I would probably not buy one simply because I don't think it's a nice camera to shoot with...
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No! I'm going to try to improve my photography/videography skills with the equipment I already have. The NEX 5N does look like a fine camera and I might be tempted if I had not already bought three m4/3 cameras and several lenses, still I don't regret this one bit. M4/3 is still an excellent system with several advantages over NEX in my opinion, including lens selection, video quality (GH2) and superior ergonomics.

To me, low light, high ISO bragging rights are not the main concern. M4/3 and NEX will both continue to improve, slowly, and will I guess continue to coexist for some time yet.

Rick
 
zxaar said:
Arn said:
Seriously. The NEX is a P&S camera with no flash hotshoe, no in-body IS, poor controls and large but slow lenses.
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You can have all these things but if your camera's sensor does not record anything all these things are meaningless. Camera's primary job is to make photos, which is what sensor does. All these things help but there may be work around them. But if sensor sucks you are in trouble.
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It's not that the sensor in the PENs or Lumix's suck. They also get very good ratings, and for the lower ISOs (up to 1600 at least), there's very little in it. It's a bit over the top to say 'the camera does not record anything'.

Also, it's not just the sensor that determines IQ: lenses are at least as important for that, and NEX is very limited in that respect.
zxaar said:
Having said all this, I do not think any interchangeable lens camera is bad at the moment. If person knows what he is doing he could do very good with any camera.
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I fully agree here. If I would put an equation for determining the quality of a phote, it would be:
Photo Quality = IQ + AQ squared

the latter term being 'Artistic Quality' and much more important than the technical IQ (hence the squared term in the equation).

Based on that, it's better to work with what you have. Of course, when time comes to update your system, it's very good to look at the camera system (inclusding lenses) you can get with the highest IQ.
zxaar said:
zxaar said:
Every time I try to shoot with the Sony NEX's, it gives the bloody heebie jeebies. I'm frankly surprised about the good rating in the site's review. It's quite apparent, that for anyone that is even a bit enthusiastic about photography, there are much better alternatives, even though for pure P&S types the NEX is probably allright. I see absolutely no reason for anyone to dump their MFT gear for such a camera. There is much much more to photography than just the sensor.

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Arn said:
zxaar said:
Arn said:
Seriously. The NEX is a P&S camera with no flash hotshoe, no in-body IS, poor controls and large but slow lenses.
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You can have all these things but if your camera's sensor does not record anything all these things are meaningless. Camera's primary job is to make photos, which is what sensor does. All these things help but there may be work around them. But if sensor sucks you are in trouble.
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That's like claiming that in film cameras the film is the most important thing (which it obviously isn't). The sensor matters just as little or just as much. It works the other way from my point of view. You can have the best sensor in the world, but if you don't have all the other things in order, the sensor is useless. Slow and/or soft lenses are just one of the things that negate the benefits of a good sensor.
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How it is useless?? I have been shooting with full manual control for last as many years as I had cameras. I only need three or four things - Manual Focus, manual aperture and shutter control and in modern dslrs abiltiy to select isos. Thats all.

May be useless for you because you sound like you have no idea of how to take photo.

Sensor still is most important factor that makes photo, all the other things only help but none of them make the image needed. I could make photo without almost all the things you mentioned, but you can not make photo without sensor.
Arn said:
Arn said:
Having said all this, I do not think any interchangeable lens camera is bad at the moment. If person knows what he is doing he could do very good with any camera.
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True.

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zxaar said:
Sensor still is most important factor that makes photo, all the other things only help but none of them make the image needed. I could make photo without almost all the things you mentioned, but you can not make photo without sensor.
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The lens is equally important --- without it there is no image on the sensor to record.

Mark
 
Agree with your comments.

Mark.
papillon_65 said:
Len_Gee said:
Hello,

Sorry, my English is not so good but,

Look like the new Sony NEX 5N blow away all Oly and Panny MFT cameras.
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What exactly does that even mean?
papillon_65 said:
So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.
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Nope
papillon_65 said:
If not, why you not?
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undersized body over sized lenses, poor lens line-up, lack of external controls etc etc.
papillon_65 said:
I shoot both Panny GF-1 and G2. But now, they are old technology and not as good high ISO as new Sony NEX 5N.
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Unless you shoot at high ISO's regularly then high ISO performance is not that important, and if it is to you then buy one. To a lot of people, myself included, it's juts not a good reason on it's own to swap systems. The GH2 is capable of excellent results at ISO 3200. Stick the Panasonic 20mm F1.7 on it and that's a lot of low light capability, plenty for me. If you base your camera buying decisions on the best high ISO performance then you will be buying a lot of cameras.
papillon_65 said:
Regards
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Mark.
 
I think we can generously classify that as a lens ;-)
But have you tried using one in low light?
 
Have problems
  • No in body IS for legacy lenses
  • they don't have an UWA zoom which I need
  • they have no lenses faster than 2.8 currently, though 1.8 coming, big and expensive though for the 24mm and well still big for the 50/1.8 compared to the oly 45/1.8 (and based on the other Sony branded lenses I doubt it would match the Oly IQ)
  • No pancake like the 14mm, in size or quality
  • As I said the Sony branded lenses disappoint a bit in optical quality for me (and size)
  • They have no lenses like the X lenses or even the smaller Oly ones (it took Panasonic a while to catch on that size of lenses matters, maybe Sony will too?? eventually??)
The IQ is nice but generally speaking the overall system from Panasonic and Oly more than makes up for the sensor IQ imho... There is more to a system than one component, and even the IQ difference only really becomes field relevant for me over 800 or 1600 where I do little photography in general..

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Len_Gee said:
Look like the new Sony NEX 5N blow away all Oly and Panny MFT cameras.

So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.

If not, why you not?
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I wouldn't switch, but if I were looking for a second camera body to augment my GH2 system, the NEX-5n is looking extremely interesting and is a nose past the EPL3.

I have lots of manual lenses and would NOT buy native NEX lenses. Sony's focus peaking, in addition to magnified focus-assist, would be a good thing. I will not buy a camera with a fixed LCD and very much like the TiltyScreen™ feature, which would be mandatory, lacking a built-in EVF. The NEX-5n also has a touch interface. Plus there's the larger sensor. All I'd need do is buy a few NEX to Nikon/Pentax M43/Leica M mount lens adaptors.

All that said, I tried the EPL3 and liked it a lot, even with the 16:9 aspect ratio LCD and lack of touch interface. I can use ALL my lenses and not have to figure out which has what adaptor on it.

On the downside? The NEX will not accept my favorite (and most expensive) M4/3 lenses, the 7-14mm and Voigtländer Nokton 25mm, without some vignetting or other performance degradation.

I've yet to try a NEX-5n, so all this is based on spec-sheet gazing and my tinkerer's mindset.
 
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