SARs - Images of A77 confirmed as authentic (SR5)

LOL! Sony should get rid of in body stabilization too then! I like how these newbie sony owners come in here with their A33/A55 thinking they know everything about Sony cameras. If it wasn't for Minolta, you WOULDN'T own your Sony SLT right now.
Hey. You joined here on 6/3/2010 when you bought an A100, knowing nothing about photography (see below). I've been using slrs since 1997 and sony since 2008. Back off on the newbie name calling, sunbeam.
Hello

I'm new to this forum and to photography in general. I just picked up a Sony Alpha A100 DSLR camera from Craigslist. I paid $325 for the Camera (in great condition, was the owner's backup camera) and it came with a 18-70mm kit lens, Tamron 70-300mm (macro 180-300) lens, charger,battery,cables,2GB flash card, and a Lowepro bag to carry everything.

I didn't know if that was a good price or not since I'm not familiar with DSLR are Sony camera's. I looked up the retail price, but this camera is about 4 years old now.

Anyway, just curious if I paid the right price, is this a good beginner camera? and what additional lenses do you recommend?

Thanks
For two reasons, principally, one objective and one subjective. The objective reason is the similarities with canon will make it more attractive to people switching from that brand, which is a huge potential customer base. The subjective reason is that after three years of reading arrogant BS from a bunch of embittered old KM users I'm glad to see the last of the KM dna removed from the sony cameras.
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The fact that a-mount lenses are still worth any money at all is thanks to the success of SLT.
 
Hard to be nuanced when someone is trying to say the form of the 9xi is similar to the radically different form of the a77.
Looks like a group of people rather than just 'someone' see it the same way. It also looks like this group goes beyond the group of KM users you attacked with your first blanket statement earlier in this thread. Maybe you might consider to put that ol' agenda of yours to rest, it appears to blurr your reception of the plain, simple, positive and obvious fact that the very vast majority of participants in this thread actually like the upcoming a77 . This includes a lot of former Minoltians, OVF die-hards and others you still seem to have an ax to grind with...

Not sure why all this put your panties in a bunch, but then again, that seems to happen often with you. I and most others have expressed ourselves calmly and without recourse to insult, while admittedly some fell victim to your original approach of dissing any deviating opinion. I suggest you at least attempt to do the same.
Good luck .. and keep trying.
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Ralf
http://RalfRalph.smugmug.com/
 
Hard to be nuanced when someone is trying to say the form of the 9xi is similar to the radically different form of the a77.
Looks like a group of people rather than just 'someone' see it the same way. It also looks like this group goes beyond the group of KM users you attacked with your first blanket statement earlier in this thread. Maybe you might consider to put that ol' agenda of yours to rest, it appears to blurr your reception of the plain, simple, positive and obvious fact that the very vast majority of participants in this thread actually like the upcoming a77 . This includes a lot of former Minoltians, OVF die-hards and others you still seem to have an ax to grind with...

Not sure why all this put your panties in a bunch, but then again, that seems to happen often with you. I and others have expressed ourselves calmly and without recourse to insult. I suggest you at least attempt to do the same.
Good luck .. and keep trying.
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I'm not in the least bit upset. Just incredulous when someone starts trying to say something analogous to the sky is bright green rather than blue. How anyone could seriously think the malformed 9xi is similar to the A77 is well beyond my ken. But as you say, a certain group-think did take hold therefore for a while. Self-reinforcement is a powerful tool.

I'm glad that we all do agree on the fact that A77 looks good; we disagree on how it got there and more importantly, why they chose now to break with the A700 design and move to canon style. I've stated my analysis. What's yours? It's a retro minolta look to help recreate the heady successes of that company? Good move. No, really.

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The fact that a-mount lenses are still worth any money at all is thanks to the success of SLT.
 
I'm not in the least bit upset.
You sure sounded the part.
someone starts trying to say something analogous to the sky is bright green rather than blue.
Did it occur to you that others perceive your statements that way, too?
How anyone could seriously think the malformed 9xi is similar to the A77 is well beyond my ken.
Sad to hear about your ken's limitation. And why malformed ? Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder so that is purely personal perception.
But as you say, a certain group-think did take hold therefore for a while. Self-reinforcement is a powerful tool.
Quite elaboratedly worded, but dissing a deviating opinion ad hominem - again.
I'm glad that we all do agree on the fact that A77 looks good; we disagree on how it got there and more importantly, why they chose now to break with the A700 design and move to canon style. I've stated my analysis. What's yours?
My analysis (see my initial reply above) was that the a77 style to me is a mix of ol' Minolta and ol' Canon EOS / T90 style - like in a very bio-ergonomic way of "form follows function". in that context, I am a long-time follower of Luigi Colani who designed the T90 (again, that is a Canon and not a Minolta) and he is a master of ergonomic, yet exiting design IMHO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Colani
It's a retro minolta look to help recreate the heady successes of that company? Good move. No, really.
The world's photography fora are full of attempts at explaining the Minolta failure in the market. Does any resemblence of a retro-Minolta design in the a77 cause you concern about Sony's future? Hopefully not.
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Ralf
http://RalfRalph.smugmug.com/
 
The world's photography fora are full of attempts at explaining the Minolta failure in the market. Does any resemblence of a retro-Minolta design in the a77 cause you concern about Sony's future? Hopefully not.
For me the interesting question to discuss is why they have gone for the canon look; as I said, I believe it is a cynical, deliberate ploy to make sony more palatable to canon users and encouraging them to switch when they see that the A77 outclasses anything that canon has at a similar price point. A ploy which I hope works very well indeed, as this will further guarantee the long term future of all who are invested in sony and second-hand km gear.

In this analysis, of course, there is no conceptual point in referring to minolta in the new A77 design. Why on earth would they want to deliberately insert a minolta motif in any case? Only negative commercial memories and pandering to an ever-decreasing minority of old-school km users, who (in general) didn't have the balls or cash to move to a pro-level FF system when it was offered to them. But that's another story.

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The fact that a-mount lenses are still worth any money at all is thanks to the success of SLT.
 
Dear Sony,

I was thinking about what Mike said and I thought of a good idea:

Please change your cameras to look exactly like the Canon cameras and change the name from Alpha to Canen. Instead of Sony stencil on the Canen logo using the same lettering as the Canon cameras. When you stencil on the "e" mess it up a little so it looks like an "o".
Also get rid of the SLT thing because no Canons have EVFs.

Hope this helps :)

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Rick
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fjbphotos/
 
In this analysis, of course, there is no conceptual point in referring to minolta in the new A77 design. Why on earth would they want to deliberately insert a minolta motif in any case? Only negative commercial memories and pandering to an ever-decreasing minority of old-school km users, who (in general) didn't have the balls or cash to move to a pro-level FF system when it was offered to them. But that's another story.
Indeed another story, and a story from the past, Mike. Look at this thread alone to see that the level of 'ol KM user' resistance you reflect in still bringing this up while the thread vibrates with positive energy.....is just missing the point which Sony will achieve - once this darn' rumor gets real.

Still pics from a rumor site. Sheesh. Bring it on, Sony.

Oh, and while I love my a55 for what it is, I prefer my a900 OVF any day unless I use the fold out LCD of the a55 for low level work unless I need the 24 MP unless I don't want to carry all that FF weight unless i need wireless flash without SLT flash lag (a700 time!!) or want ultimate A Mount IQ unless.....categorize that, Mike.

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Ralf
http://RalfRalph.smugmug.com/
 
I have an a55, Canon 7D, and had a Sony a700 I can honestly say the Sony a700 was the most comfortable camera I have ever put in my hands borrowed, owned, or even tried in a store. Personally I dont care about the lines or why someone needs to skew for or against it looking like a Canon, I just pray its the same comfort level in my hand that the a700 was. Also feeling that the viewfinder on my 7D is one of the best out there and comparing with my a55, the rumored specs ( and inferred performance ) on the a77 could edge out my ever needing an OVF again. Thats speculative and optimistic referenced against the a55 EVF vs the rumored specs and the improvements I optimistically expect that to yield. I am and have been very sick but hope to get to shooting again soon. All i need the a77 to do is be large enough to leverage 500mm lenses ( check ), have the flash lag eliminated or severely reduced ( hopes ), and the studio work around put in menu ( prays ) everything else is a bonus ;). As I have gotten sicker the flexibility of the a55 is more an more apparent.
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Canon 7D w Sig 150-500 OS
Sony a700 with HVL56AM
Sony a55 ( Wife )
Sigma 10-20mm
Minolta 50mm F1.4
Minolta 28-75 F2.8 Japan
Sony 18-55 ( Kit )
Tamron 70-200 F2.8 Di
Tamron 28-105 F2.8
Tamron 28-200 3.5-5.6
Tamron 200-500 5-6.3 Di
 
Yes, stand out design-wise they did. Perhaps practical but also as pretty ugly. I do not believe SLRs/SLTs have to be ugly to be functional. Not that I am a fan of what Canon or Nikon are doing in last decade. The A77 looks almost a bit sexy on these pics - nice.
Regardless of where the design came from, I must admit, I think the sloped shoulders is a step back. The A700 and A900 really stand out, design-wise, IMO...and I never owned a KM DSLR.
 
I find your attitude towards former KM and Minolta owners highly uncalled for and and offensive. If it were not for the group there would be no Sony DSLR/SLT system at all. The one thing I do notice is a strong lack of knowledgable replies to questions concerning technical and lens issues since a certain group of jerks drove most of them away. The upside of the issue is that most of those jerks have not posted on this forum since they completed their mission.
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Dave
 
Well I can see similarities in design between the Minolta & the Canon & the a77 - definitely the silhouette of the a77 & the Canon have very similar shoulders which really has me wondering - I was originally keen on Canon but didn't like how the Canon felt in my hands :( Then I picked up the Sony a33 and it just worked for me.

So will this camera feel more like the Canon, a700 or a33?? A bigger a33 feel would make me very happy - sometimes I feel a little cramped after using the a33 non-stop for 6+ hours.
 
I have the Sigma 150-500 on my a55 (about 90%) and do not find it to be a problem (but that is me, and everyone is different). Personally I do not care if it looks like a Canon/Nikon/or Pentax, as long as some of the little bugs on the a55 are fixed. The flash lag as you said, and I hope a little better refresh rate.

Also I hope that people would stop bashing each other, as it serves no purpose. I agree what others have stated it still does have some of the KM DNA. I know I will probably get bashed, but will ignore it, because no matter how much you talk to a rock it will not listen/or hear you and that is a fact.

Gene
 
Have a question, with the larger MP sensor how will this effect the lenses? It is my understanding that the larger MP cameras demand better lenses?

I have the following lenses, Sony 30mm macro/Sigma 105 macro/Tamron 180 macro/Sigma 150-500 (non-OS) BBC/Sigma 70-200 EX DG II macro/Sigma 24-70 EX DG(Gears stripped =() Minolta 35-70 f4/Sony 16-105.

Gene
 
It's probably in the menu like the a55.

Gene
 
I don't believe using the same lens on a higher megapixel camera will necessarily look worse than on a lower mp camera, however, I need to qualify this statement.

The high mp camera may expose the weaknesses of a poor quality lens if you push the limits of the lens, as in cropping more radically.

On the other hand a high mp camera will be able to do more with a higher quality lens than a lower mp camera will be capable of. A high quality lens on my A700 will produce a better image than my camera can take full advantage of, where the new A77 will let us go further in approaching the limits of the lens.
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